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What’s this? Latest broken thing... steering cable?

Discussion in 'Yamaha AR240, SX240, 242 Limited / S / X/ E-Series' started by NORCAL-GAS, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. NORCAL-GAS

    NORCAL-GAS Member

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    CBB228B6-C9C9-499C-BD72-06117C5B83CF.jpeg Well, have about 25hrs on the new boat. Maybe 30. Found this today after washing it down. It seemed to be steering rather strangely.
    How hard is it to replace? Anyone know the part number?
    2018 242x. Starboard side.
     

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  2. Cobra Jet Steering LLC

    Cobra Jet Steering LLC Jetboaters Admiral

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    Yes and a pretty common issue on the twin engine a k boats, this is also the reason I add a second tie rod to the system with my magnum A k steering. Having a single steering cable doing all the work for the nozzle and rudder is probably not the best way to set up the steering especially if the rudder strikes the ground a few times. There were a lot of posts showing this very thing when they first came out with the twin a k boats a few years ago. Do search on that.
     
  3. NORCAL-GAS

    NORCAL-GAS Member

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    Ok. I’m sold. Any member deals. I’m ready to buy. I need it ASAP. I’m interested in a steering upgrade. Let’s chat.
     
  4. NORCAL-GAS

    NORCAL-GAS Member

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    Anyone know the steering cable part number?
     
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  6. Cobra Jet Steering LLC

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    [​IMG] Basic Magnum A k system
    [​IMG] A K with basic fangs
    [​IMG] A k with mega fangs
     
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  7. subysti

    subysti Jetboaters Lieutenant

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    Should be covered under warranty for free. Almost 100 hours on mine and no issue, think you just got a bad cable.
     
  8. Beachbummer

    Beachbummer Jet Boat Junkie

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    Hey Jeff, for those with a keel...it seems if you break one cable you can still move both nozzles with the other good cable! Has anybody reported that? (I don't have one so It does not apply to me, but it seems to create some redundancy in steering.)
     
  9. Cobra Jet Steering LLC

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    Since making this system available for a few years now I do not know of anyone breaking a cable , one thing about the cables in normal use is when they push it is not that bad on them it's when they pull that they have a higher probability of breaking . That being said,
    I believe that the rudder hitting the ground is most likely why the cables break like his did. Especially in the area of the threads meaning something pushed back on the nozzle applying serious pressure on the inner cable.
    I recall several pictures similar to this and the steering cables were actually on back order not that long ago. Demand overrode the supply. But yes redundancy is certainly there when you have a pair of tie rods rather than only one . I like the fact that you get all time steering not just slow speed because the keel definitely keeps the boat wanting to go straight. And the twin tie rods actually provide a push/pull in either direction for a balance of the wear and tear on the nozzles and cables. Also the rack and pinion gearing of the helm to make it feel like there is no resistance in the system, also makes it harder for the nozzle to move the wheel if it is being pushed back on, so the cable is in more peril from that as opposed to the regular helm .
     
  10. boudin

    boudin Well-Known Member

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    Seems like this should be covered under warranty.

    -Greg
     
  11. Beachbummer

    Beachbummer Jet Boat Junkie

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    It is the middle of Summer. This cable, I think, can be ordered after market for around $150 and installed in about 3 hours or less if it's the first time ever, and you are slightly mechanically inclined.

    Did you plan to use the boat next weekend? How long would the dealer take to replace? These are questions I would answer before I decided what approach to take if this was me. Best of luck.

    Edit: I failed on my price estimation. It's around $150 not $100.
     
  12. GoVols01

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    My '17 212X's steering is quite stiff. The dealer slopped some gear grease on the cables at the rear, which made things slightly better, but my wife can't stand it still. It just feels like there's something binding somewhere, but the dealer said it's fine. I have to fight the wheel a bit to make it turn. It doesn't try to spin on it's own, it's just like it doesn't want to turn.

    Was yours exhibiting anything like this before it broke?

    I think my plan is to monitor it over this season and then take it to a different dealer toward the end of the season to have them look at it.
     
  13. boudin

    boudin Well-Known Member

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    Might be worth a call to the dealer to see if they will give you just the cable under warranty, and you install yourself.

    -Greg
     
  14. NORCAL-GAS

    NORCAL-GAS Member

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    The dealer sucks. Seriously the worst customer service. I will try to avoid at all costs. My solution is the cobra magnum ak system. I’m going to fix the cable and add the extra tie rod. I had no issues prior, no stiff cables. I also don’t recall anything happening to break it. No marks on my A-keel
     
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  15. NORCAL-GAS

    NORCAL-GAS Member

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    I am leaving the dealer after having some warranty work done. I had them replace my broken steering cable. This is what they replaced it with, it looks different than the original so maybe Yamaha beefed up there steering cables. It looks like this on both the port and starboard side. I remember the originals looking like threaded rod without that little sleeve on there.
     

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  16. NORCAL-GAS

    NORCAL-GAS Member

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    Well I looked again at the pics, Yamaha changed nothing. Same cable with their crappy design.

    Best part of this experience was Jeff at cobra jet steering. Best customer service, helpful, available, and products that are solid. I put the magnum ak fins on with the additional tie rod from the keel to port jet for reinforcement.

    When I picked my boat up from the dealer they would not shut up about the quality of the kit, especially the stainless steel port side tie rod that I added. He said Yamaha really needs to switch their design to this. I said “ duh”! He asked me who machined it for me. I told the service manager to check out cobra jet steering.

    I guess in the end I have a solid set up now with two tie rods, which should keep any steering cables from snapping.
     
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