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About to buy - question on slow speed handling

Bob219

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Location
Smithville, MO - Smithville Lake
Boat Make
Yamaha
Year
2020
Boat Model
AR
Boat Length
19
Hi all - great forum. We are looking at a couple of 190's this weekend, hope to make a buy. I grew up on outboards, but haven't been in the position to boat for years. I have read up on handling, docking, and cobra jet add ons. For any others who were brand new to jet boats, how difficult was it to get the slow speed handling and docking down? (I don't want an expensive crunch the first time out). Thanks in advance.
 
I've owned my boat a year, and still getting use to the slow speed handling around docks. Definitely different than an outboard or an I/O which I grew up driving. Alot of users of this site as well as myselft, use wakemode around docks to keep a constant RPM and just shift between forward and reverse. Jetboats don't really steer when there is no thrust provided. I have Cobra fins on my boat, they help, but for me it wasn't a night and day difference.
 
Our boat was new last season. Put on CJ Vipers before going out the first time. First couple times were a lil intimidating, but after 6 or so times it really wasn't bad at all. Our ramp gets alot of crosswind and chop but once I figured out the right angle of approach it's easy now. Just constantly use forward in no wake mode to neutral and back in forth nice and slow and you will have it down in no time. One thing I do is once I'm lined up and where I want to be at the dock i shut off the engine to avoid any extra spinning motion. Good luck
 
I grew up on an outboard. I used to dock and load the boat while dad backed up the trailer. Don't really remember any issues. I went finless all last summer but the ramp I use is small and not typically super crowded, and I avoid the holidays. I have fins now and they help. You get some control where before you had none. It still takes practice learning to work the throttles though. Yamahas are all over the lakes around my area so it's obviously a skill that people can learn. Take a day off in the middle of the week. Don't have your first day out be Memorial Day or 4th of July.
 
Thanks - we really like the yamaha's, its just the steering making me a little queasy. We live by a smaller lake, and I definitely was planning on practice time outside of Holiday hours!
 
Thanks - we really like the yamaha's, its just the steering making me a little queasy. We live by a smaller lake, and I definitely was planning on practice time outside of Holiday hours!
I would definately order the fins. I drove mine for a couple weeks before putting anything. OMG what a difference. The only reason not to put them on is to appreciate them more when you do. Slow speed maneuvering is very difficult coming from a stern drive (like I did) BUT like anything else it takes practice to get it right. The fins gives you better control to make it more like an outdrive. With jetboats we need all the help we can get as there is very little propulsion at idle speed.
 
I grew up on I/O boats, and owned one for 5 seasons prior to moving to a jet. I've been around boats my whole life, and I've been a "gear head" since I was old enough to reach the pedals on anything with a motor.

Captaining a jet propelled boat is different. Not bad, not worse, and certainly not a problem. It's literally just different. You don't drive a sports car the same way you drive a pickup do you? You brake later, turn slower, and watch clearances more in a pickup. A jet is exactly the same premise. It's the same "class" of vehicle as an I/O or outboard, but it drives a little different. You brake, turn, and accelerate differently in a jet than a more "standard" boat. Go check YouTube and you'll find just as many videos of wake boats as jets and how to dock them. There's an art to a v-drive or regular inboard as well. Those aren't considered to be "faulty" or to need modifications to drive "normal", they're just different. I believe fully that jets are the same way, they're just different.

Learn to use these different capabilities to your advantage and you can navigate, park, and maneuver your craft with the same precision as any other boat. The idea that you need "aids" to make it handle "better" is a huge fallacy IMO. Those aids just make it different than it was before, and make it act more like something you are familiar with. Doesn't make it better, just different. This is also ignoring other benefits that might come from some of those aids (like the faster planing from CJS Vipers, or the reduced jet wash of the JBP products), those other benefits are a separate conversation IMO.

NOW......with all that said.....it took us about 1/2 the first season to get "good" at piloting the jet as compared to our I/O before it. Going into season 4, I have no desire to add fins to my boat at any level, and am actually somewhat concerned I'll lose some of the jet capabilities I've learned to use and love. Here's some tips that helped me learn.

  • You can shift in/out of forward/reverse as often as you like. Use reverse to scrub momentum and slow down. Use forward for adding momentum. Either direction works for making heading corrections. I like to come in slow, hit reverse to almost stop, and use the wheel to adjust the heading while in reverse by "sliding" the rear one way or the other.
  • Don't approach anything faster than you're willing to hit it. This slows EVERYTHING down a bit, and gives you time to adjust to changing conditions as you approach.
  • No thrust, no control. No revs, no thrust. This is KEY in a jet boat. When around a dock, leave no wake mode on the 1st or second click. Then use your forward/reverse/neutral controls to maintain speed and heading. It's OK to be physically moving forward, and slide the controls into reverse for a few seconds to slow/stop your progress. There is NO transmission, shift as often as you need to and use this to your advantage.
  • When coming off plane and require directional control, DO NOT drop back to idle. Remember no thrust no control. Leave those revs up around 3k as you come down and you'll have plenty of attitude control. Back off as you slow down, and remember if you need to STOP right now, throw it in reverse, there's no transmission to damage, and the rest of the boat can take the occasional hit. You can stop a jet boat from full speed FAR FAR faster than any other boat because of this feature alone.

With a little time practicing, and some patience you can make a jet do things an I/O can only dream of. My wife got good enough in season two that she now comes in slow, and spins the boat and backs into the dock, so I step off the dock after parking the truck onto the swim platform instead of the bow. She gets compliments from others on just about every outing. You simply can't spin an I/O or outboard like that.
 
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Tomorrow will be my fifth time out in our new jet boat. I've been boating since I was 13 (now 42) and have always had an outboard or IO. The biggest thing to wrap your head around is using the fwd/rev controls as much as you want. Once you realize that you're not worried about banging gears together it becomes much easier. I also put the cobras on which helped a lot for "off power" maneuvering.
 
Once you realize that you're not worried about banging gears together it becomes much easier.

This was huge for me. It's a complete rethink of everything else I had EVER driven. Now, I change "gears" so much now that I'm nervous driving anything with a transmission on the water.
 
I also put the cobras on which helped a lot for "off power" maneuvering.
This is a BIG one. When you're coming off plane you have no control. You're going straight no mater what. I try to come down slowly and or give some throttle to get control back.
 
This was huge for me. It's a complete rethink of everything else I had EVER driven. Now, I change "gears" so much now that I'm nervous driving anything with a transmission on the water.

Right?! I seriously had to remind myself of that the other day. "If driving anyone else's boat this summer, don't bang fwd/rev 100x coming into a dock..."
 
Right?! I seriously had to remind myself of that the other day. "If driving anyone else's boat this summer, don't bang fwd/rev 100x coming into a dock..."
LOL, you guys got it easy. Try backing up with a BRP drive system. Although very easy to do (tons of control) it's backwards. Constantly must think about where I want the bow to go not the stern. I still screw it up!!!
 
This is a BIG one. When you're coming off plane you have no control. You're going straight no mater what. I try to come down slowly and or give some throttle to get control back.
Keep the revs up. I can turn coming off plane no problem. You drop to idle you're going straight. Drop to 3k or so and I can still turn just fine.

If you have to stop in a hurry AND turn, slam that controller as far back as it will got and steer with the stern. Only had to do that once (big log in the river I didn't see until the last second), and I was amazed a how fast I got the boat stopped in a panic.
 
LOL, you guys got it easy. Try backing up with a BRP drive system. Although very easy to do (tons of control) it's backwards. Constantly must think about where I want the bow to go not the stern. I still screw it up!!!
I can't imagine the mind-fork that is when learning. Or even after a long day and being a bit tired and less in tune with whats going on. Yikes.
 
I can't imagine the mind-fork that is when learning. Or even after a long day and being a bit tired and less in tune with whats going on. Yikes.
The design of their bucket shoots water out from the sides and not down (hence lots of control). I can do figure 8s backwards in a tight places but not after a few beers. It's like trying to brush your teeth or write with your opposite hand. Not impossible but...
 
The design of their bucket shoots water out from the sides and not down (hence lots of control). I can do figure 8s backwards in a tight places but not after a few beers. It's like trying to brush your teeth or write with your opposite hand. Not impossible but...
I've never brushed my teeth with my opposite hand, but I might try now just to get the full effect :D
 
Thank you to everyone!! We have an appointment Saturday to look at several new and used. I anticipate writing a check. better yet, wifey anticipates us writing a check.
 
Thank you to everyone!! We have an appointment Saturday to look at several new and used. I anticipate writing a check. better yet, wifey anticipates us writing a check.
A happy wife is a happy life...

Good luck!
 
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