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looking for a new anchor

robert843

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Shopping for a new anchor. I'm interested in a box anchor but curious if I should get the small or large and how difficult was it to handle as most of the time it would not be me handling it. Trying to figure out if this is a good path or if I should just stick with a fluke?
 
I've got the small. Just barely fits in our anchor locker. It's rather cumbersome, but I don't have a problem. When I'm letting someone else toss it, I slow down beforehand and set it up, attach anchor buddy, and just instruct them when to throw it. Best combo around IMO, wouldn't trade it for anything else.
 
What do you have now and what is the bottom like where you boat? 90% of the time I am perfectly happy with a cheap and light Danforth.
 
Adding an Anchor Buddy makes a huge improvement in holding power.
 
There is currently no anchor so anything is an improvement. We mostly beach but soft sand in areas I'm looking at would like to back into some beaches now and anchor from the front.
 
There is currently no anchor so anything is an improvement. We mostly beach but soft sand in areas I'm looking at would like to back into some beaches now and anchor from the front.

Then a Danforth that fits in the anchor locker with an anchor buddy would be perfect for you.

I have three anchors. A light, cheap Danforth that fits in the anchor locker perfectly and is very easy to use. A heavier "river" anchor that is a mushroom with cut outs to hook on things and a heavy box anchor that was custom built to fit in the anchor locker.

I keep the Danforth in the anchor locker with a 100' rope and a 50' anchor buddy attached. I keep the river anchor under a seat with another 100' rope. Primarily I tie that rope to trees on islands but when needed I clip in the river anchor and use it.

I have used the box anchor once. It is a beautiful piece of art built by @txav8r. I thought I needed it before I discovered that the anchor buddy significantly increased the holding power of the Danforth.
 
I also have 5' of 3/8" chain on both anchors which helps them set and reset.
 
Lots of anchor posts on here. Muddy bottoms and no overnight anchoring, box is your best friend. No chain needed and anchor buddy is optional (because of the quick re-set). Overnight anchoring, then we need to know the conditions of where you intend to anchor and in what depth. I overnight in muddy/silty bottom, 30+' of water with frequent passing full ballast boats - because of that, my overnight anchor is a Manson Supreme with 12' of galv chain below 200' of nylon. When it's not that, I use an FX-11 and a large box anchor. My FX-11 is with a similar 12' of chain and my LBA usually has some chain in front of it if I'm using it for anything other than holding the floating tubes/party islands, etc in place.

If you have rocky bottom, that really changes things. Sandy bottom, plow/digging anchors are a must...

But if you're looking for something to hold you in place while you fish or relax in a cove for an hour, box anchor is the easiest and most versatile.
 
Does a small box anchor fold flat enough to keep in the clean out plug tray? I am trying to find a second anchor to toss off the back to keep me from spinning around. In a cove the wind switches direction a lot and boats tend to rotate into each other.
 
@bthessel, I use a 20 pound Greenfield River Anchor with 5 feet of 3/8" chain at the stern. We store it under the starboard rear seat. It does a great job of keeping the boat from swinging around. A heavier box anchor would do an even better job of holding but I prefer the lighter and smaller anchor for usage and storage.

It also holds better in muddy conditions than the Danforth at the bow.

The coated anchor is holding up to salt water well.

It costs around $50.

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Since we mostly anchor in sandy/muddy spots we just have 2 danforth anchors (front and rear) with approx 4' of chain, neither have failed me when set right.

The only one I would not buy is a smallish rubber coated danforth, I could never get that one to hold in cross winds (example below). I think it was just too small and the angle between the spikes and the rope attach point wouldn't get wide enough to grab well enough. I even tried cutting off the rubber coating in spots to help and it didn't make a difference. So now that one is just collecting dust in the garage...

Don't buy these!
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I mostly anchor in mud/sand and use a box anchor for my main anchor. I typically put out about 2-3:1 scope and it holds every time. To measure how much anchor line I put out, whenI first got it 4 seasons ago, I used a Sharpie and put stripes on the line every 10'. 1 stripe - 10 feet, 2 strikes = 20'. When I got to 60', I went with one stripe. I've found over the years that telling someone to give me 25-30' of line works every time.

I also have a 12lb river anchor + 10' of chain on an anchor buddy that I've used off the stern when anchoring in a cove. This anchor isn't heavy enough to keep the boat from swinging while at anchor so I don't use it all that much any more. The best-use I've found for this anchor is on Lake Shasta. Drop the anchor with a small fender on it about 30' away from a houseboat. clip the anchor buddy to a rear cleat, then tie the Yamaha to the houseboat with some slack. the tension of the anchor buddy pulls the yamaha away from the house boat (and keeps it from scratching).

The best thing I've found as a stern anchor when in a cove is a Shore Spike. connect it to 60' of line and that boat won't swing at all while in a shore.
 
Wow some of you guys have anchoring down to a science. I went with a danforth on my first Yamaha and it did ok in that it set properly on the first try about 75% of the time but it was cheap and fit in the anchor locker. Admittedly, I don't put too much thought into how much rode or line to use, just drop it and tie it off, if the boat drifts put out more line until it stops (this process works so much better with the box anchor).

A box anchor came with my latest Yamaha jet boat thanks to the previous owner, it sets properly every time, so far anyway. It doesn't fit in the anchor locker though and they are not cheap.

I store my box anchor unfolded under one of the bow seats and don't use any rode so it is easy for any of my friends or I to handle. If I had to fold and unfold it every time I used it I wouldn't use and may not keep it. Looks like a pinch injury waiting to happen. All things considered, if I lost my box anchor I'd buy another one immediately but I may consider getting a baby box and having it modified so it can be stored unfolded in the anchor locker.
 
Do you think a small box anchor will hold the 24ft boats also do you think it will fit in the anchor locker? If it won't fit in the locker I will likely get the larger one.
 
Do you think a small box anchor will hold the 24ft boats also do you think it will fit in the anchor locker? If it won't fit in the locker I will likely get the larger one.

highly unlikely. I have a large box anchor and I like it, but I will say it is VERY heavy and awkward to move around. My wife would destroy the boat if she tried to deploy it. Let us know how you're thinking of anchoring and it might be a better idea overall to use the small box anchor.
 
The appropriate anchor for our boat up to the 242 is the SMALL box anchor. The size system of Slide Anchor (maker of the box anchor and shore spike) is kind of screwy.
Box Anchor sizes

Baby Box Anchor - Personal watercraft
Small Box Anchor - Offshore / Sport 18' to 30', cabin cruiser to 24'
Large Box Anchor - Offshore / Sport to 40', cabin cruiser to 32'
Ex-Large Box Anchor - House boats, cruisers longer than 32'

I personally think that 2 to 1 scope as stated, is not enough scope to hold in much wind. So about 3 to 1 is fine to 30mph, and over or gusty winds, go 4 or 5 to 1 and you can hold on a Small box in a storm. I may have a different opinion than some but I made a modified version of the box anchor to fit our 2007-2009 SX/AR/SR230 boats. I have used them in various conditions and they work very well. They may not be lightweight, but it is the heft that gives a good deal of the capability. The box is the other part that makes them a great sand anchor as the box fills with sand and increases the apparent weight and hold. They don't have the length of fluke of a fluke style anchor such as the stock Yamaha, a Danforth design, so a straight digging anchor they are not. But a danforth is harder to set and easier to unearth. The small box will fit folded in the anchor locker of the 24' boats, but I recommend that you pad that locker to prevent damage if it bounces, and it will. Having use the same anchor that I made for @Bruce for 5 years, I can tell you that one in those boats is very convenient but there is a learning curve. In the 24' boats, it won't fit them so I stopped making them. I now use the Slide Anchor Box anchor that I first bought for the 230, loved it, lost it, and designed one to work in the 230. The small box folded in the anchor locker takes less than a minute to remove, set on a towel on the seat or on your knee after you gain comfort with it, unfold, lock, and toss. The key to a box is making sure the anchor line is not tangled in it as you toss it, and you DON'T USE CHAIN with a box anchor under almost every circumstance, and in our boats, you will never use chain. When retrieving, you pull your boat by hand directly over the anchor, where the rode is straight down from the boat to the anchor below, and feel as you lift the control arm off the bottom, lift the anchor straight up off its side, and retrieve. That saves hooking something. Best anchor I have used on any boat. The amount of rode (anchor line) you put out controls whether the anchor will ever break loose in prevailing winds up to about 60 degrees. Beyond that, it will loosen and reset, but a danforth will let you drift to shore. I would trust my box anchor overnight anytime, but it is setting it, not the anchor. And by that, I mean the amount of rode you put out. And for you danforth operators, you can use two under heavy wind or water conditions at an angle off the bow up to the wind shift limits, and that will control you for the night unless the winds shift 180 degrees, if they might, you better get a box!
 
@txav8r do you have a picture of your box anchor fitting? I've seen small box anchors and I didn't think there was any way to fit it into my anchor locker with any rope. That anchor locker is tiny in my opinion. My FX-11 barely fits and I had to cut down the stock and Tetris it into my anchor locker as is.

I usually scope aggressively, 8:1 in most cases if I'm the only person in the beach area and I'm planning on anchoring over night (and in that case, I 3-point anchor in case wind changes direction). I don't have the most experience with anchoring, I only anchor about 25 nights a year but sustained winds over 50MPH and I'm beaching it. I have had anchor slippage with significant scope on every anchor I have had except my Manson Supreme... but that thing is a behemoth and I seldom take it with me anywhere.

Maybe I should look into a small box anchor instead of my FX-11, but I've never overnighted with a box anchor.
 
First let me say that I love my small box anchor. I have used it for the last 3 seasons. I use it as a mooring buoy anchor at our camp site. It’s a pain to handle but generally it holds extremely well. That said it failed me twice this year. This year we started camping on a different part of the lake the bottom is less sandy and more clay, the wind picked up and the boat ended up on the beach. After the second time I started using my Richter anchor and so far it has held in the same conditions. I also use the Yamaha danforth when only anchoring for a few hours. The Yamaha danforth anchor is the easiest of the 3 to handle and I believe each has its purpose and I’m glad to have all 3.

Also a friend of mine is looking to sell 2 used small box anchors. let me know if your interested.
 
@txav8r do you have a picture of your box anchor fitting? I've seen small box anchors and I didn't think there was any way to fit it into my anchor locker with any rope. That anchor locker is tiny in my opinion. My FX-11 barely fits and I had to cut down the stock and Tetris it into my anchor locker as is.

I usually scope aggressively, 8:1 in most cases if I'm the only person in the beach area and I'm planning on anchoring over night (and in that case, I 3-point anchor in case wind changes direction). I don't have the most experience with anchoring, I only anchor about 25 nights a year but sustained winds over 50MPH and I'm beaching it. I have had anchor slippage with significant scope on every anchor I have had except my Manson Supreme... but that thing is a behemoth and I seldom take it with me anywhere.

Maybe I should look into a small box anchor instead of my FX-11, but I've never overnighted with a box anchor.
@sysinu - I don't have a pic, but I can confirm that the small box anchor fits (folded up and in its bag) in a 2013 Limited S, along with a shore spike, pads, and 150' of rope. I've used it in 20-25mph winds with no issues. I've also anchored overnight with it, but in a calm bay and dropped a Richter anchor out the back for extra measure :-)
 
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