AR195 wakesurfing

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I’ve seen a lot of recommendations for the Hyperlite Landlock. Made for smaller waves and super buoyant.

 

[swatski]

So is there anything to getting a little smaller faster board that may handle a smaller wake better? I currently have a liquid force rocket 5'4".

Don't know if anything there gets much faster than Hyperlite Quad, yet a phat total newbie like myself can ride it ropeless behind a Yamaha. It is large like landlock at 5'9" but incredibly light, so very easy to flip.

@jcyamaharider - what would you say about the Quad? If there is anything better I would still buy it.



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[jcyamaharider]

I actually love that board. If my buddy @mattschepker didn't win one at Shelbyville I would have bought one the next day leaving Shelbyville. I want my daughter to ride the one that Matt has and see how she does. She went ropeless behind @RampRage boat on a floatyer board, so if she likes it better we still may buy one.

Thanks for the video @swatski !

What can I say about the Quad, If you are a newbie or a skilled rider this board is for you. Light weight, fast, buoyant, but stable. The perfect board for a beginner or intermediate person surfing.

 

[Arcadyus]

Well shit after all the money I spent this year, new house, boat, truck and all that goes with think I'll have to wait till next year for a $600 surfboard. Unless anyone has a used one for sale lol.

 

[jcyamaharider]

You are fine with your surf board. I used a board that was VERY similar to the one you are using behind your 195 when I surfed behind the 195 in the video. It just takes time. Remember to keep your weight about 80/20. 80 percent of your weight on the front leg/foot. This may sound dumb but putting your arms out like superman will really rocket you to the boat. It is small stance changes when you are surfing that really make a difference.

 

[mattschepker]

I actually love that board. If my buddy @mattschepker didn't win one at Shelbyville I would have bought one the next day leaving Shelbyville. I want my daughter to ride the one that Matt has and see how she does. She went ropeless behind @RampRage boat on a floatyer board, so if she likes it better we still may buy one.

Thanks for the video @swatski !

What can I say about the Quad, If you are a newbie or a skilled rider this board is for you. Light weight, fast, buoyant, but stable. The perfect board for a beginner or intermediate person surfing.

She can definitely ride it as well as everybody else. Can't wait to get the board broke in

 

[Arcadyus]

Yeah if it's anything like snowboarding it's 20% board 80% rider.

 

[Arcadyus]

So today was the best day of surfing so far. I had three of my homies with me which was key. 340 lbs of weight up front was huge. So was slowing down to exactly 10mph. After finally feeling the proper foot position (back foot about 8" from the rear and my front foot very close to the front of the board) I was able to go ropeless for almost a min each on 4 runs today. I'm trying to get the footage now to make a little video to show you guys. Also I moved the ballast much farther off the seat cushion and added viper cobra steering.

 

[Arcadyus]

Here's how much further I had it sitting away from the back cushions.

 

[swatski]

So today was the best day of surfing so far. I had three of my homies with me which was key. 340 lbs of weight up front was huge. So was slowing down to exactly 10mph. After finally feeling the proper foot position (back foot about 8" from the rear and my front foot very close to the front of the board) I was able to go ropeless for almost a min on about 4 rubs today. I'm trying to get the footage now to make a little video to show you guys. Also I moved the ballast much farther off the seat cushion and added viper cobra steering.

That's outstanding!

So, the Vipers might have helped?? At least they don't seem to hurt anything, that is good to know for anyone considering those.

I think I might have posted a question/ concern about Vipers potentially messing up the wake for surfing, as the regular tabs can (when deployed).
Well, that can be now put aside!

Another thing is - the positioning of the swim deck bag seems really crucial. The custom Gatlin bags are proving to be a key to surfing those boats, same as with 24'.

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[Arcadyus]

They helped in two ways.
1. They helped get riders up quicker.
2. They helped track so well that once you got the turn radius correct you could take your hands off the wheel until the boat ran out of gas. It made perfect big circles and because of that the speed with stock cruise control stayed put.

On another note I believe it's key on the 19foot to have about 350lbs on the floor of the bow or with people. I was able to fall way back and keep getting pushed for awhile. With a faster board I would have been able to surf all day ropeless. I was really close to the boat when I finally found the pocket but again that's due to my boards lack of speed.

 

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Here's how much further I had it sitting away from the back cushions. View attachment 81311 View attachment 81312

It still amazes me as this bag looks small against the 21’ & 24’ bags but I guess our boats do as well. Lol. Keep in mind you wouldn’t want a bigger bag back there it works great.

 

[haknslash]

It still amazes me as this bag looks small against the 21’ & 24’ bags but I guess our boats do as well. Lol. Keep in mind you wouldn’t want a bigger bag back there it works great.

I kept it small to fit within our swim deck. I could have gone much taller but wasn't sure we would have enough around it to keep it from trying to topple over. The larger boats are taller and have more freeboard so that's why their bag is much larger. Can always make a revision to make it taller or go wider, either way would increase the volume, but at the cost of managing the bag and ease of using the swim ladder. Honestly though I think it's at a great manageable size and the results speak for themselves. I affectionately dubbed it "the lil bag that could" . 490 lbs ain't no slouch though for where it's placed on the boat hehe.

Adding bow weight will lengthen the wave and also help keep the boat better balanced to not plane or plow too much. Should help keep the speed more consistent too. Adding too much weight to the rear or swim deck+cabin will bee too much for the pump to overcome and will be hard to control. That's how it was when I ran the 750 on seat bench (surf side) + swim deck bag. Remember our boats don't weigh as much as the larger boats so it doesn't take near as much weight to get a wave. Same principle applies to the wake boats as the larger ones need much more weight to push the boat down than the 20' and 21' wake boats do. However the larger wake boats will always have the upper hand in the long haul because they can displace more water than smaller boats so the wave can get larger and longer.

 

[Arcadyus]

@haknslash so say we have the ballast and only one person other than the driver on board. What we have found is if that one person sits anywhere behind the driver the wake is pretty useless and almost unsurfable. It just has too much white wash at the crest. When that same passenger moves to the bow BINGO!

 

[haknslash]

Depends on which side you have the ballast on. If I hag the bag in my port and have someone sit on the bench the boat will struggle more. If move them to the front the boat will handle the added weight much better and push more of the overall hull surfaces down into the water creating a longer wave. This is why a lot of wake boat owners use what's called lead weight bags (really just stainless steel shot and not actual lead). It allows you to really fine tune the wave but that takes a lot of patience and time but it's really the only way to go all out and fine tune a wave specific to boat load and people onboard. You can move around lead bags far easier than more around a big ballast bag lol. I just wasn't going to spend that money or time on it since I plan to eventually upgrade to a wake boat. The key principles apply to jet boats so use the same formula to play around with it.

 

[Arcadyus]

Yeah i may go that route via another 350 lb ballast. I also want a wake surf boat someday but I have a problem. I just bought a new house and we live in a neighborhood with a HOA. And it says I can only have my boat in my garage. So that limits me to a 19ft. I really don't want to pay to store my boat, cheapest I'd feel comfortable with is over $250. Only other option is mooring in lake WA which starts at $350 a month. I don't like any of the 19ft wake surf boats. So for the next 5 years I'll keep my 19ft and maybe upgrade to a supreme s238 in 2024.

 

[Arcadyus]

This is the only video we got before my GoPro died. It was the first time I kinda figured out how to stay in the pocket without the rope. It only got better after this.

 

[Arcadyus]

Can't wait to get the hyperlite quad. I can pretty decently stay in the pocket now but as soon as o want to do anything expect go straight the nose of my board dives into the water because i habe to be so far forward on the board to keep it in the push. Best wake I've found so far was the transom ballast, 250 lbs in the bow, and 150 lbs across from the helm for a goofy rider. 11 mph was the best speed for getting me away from the boat, but 10mph made a nice steep short wake you could learn to pop off of. With moving ballast to where it's basically hanging off the edge of the swim platform my rub rails and cleats leak like a seive. As soon as the season is over it's going to the delear to get fixed. I've gotten some advice on this forum that for resale value you really want the dealer to do any major shit like that to be sure it looks factory done.

 

[swatski]

Can't wait to get the hyperlite quad. I can pretty decently stay in the pocket now but as soon as o want to do anything expect go straight the nose of my board dives into the water because i habe to be so far forward on the board to keep it in the push. Best wake I've found so far was the transom ballast, 250 lbs in the bow, and 150 lbs across from the helm for a goofy rider. 11 mph was the best speed for getting me away from the boat, but 10mph made a nice steep short wake you could learn to pop off of. With moving ballast to where it's basically hanging off the edge of the swim platform my rub rails and cleats leak like a seive. As soon as the season is over it's going to the delear to get fixed. I've gotten some advice on this forum that for resale value you really want the dealer to do any major shit like that to be sure it looks factory done.

Talking out of turn here, since I'm a complete beginner. The Hyperlite Quad seems to be really fast, assuming all 4 fins installed. I think that helps me (and lousy surfers like myself) to hang back/a little further out from the boat - and still not lose the push/pocket.
(Yes, I'm firmly in the "80% equipemnt / 20% skill" camp, lol)

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Centered the custom ballast bag yesterday and was still impressed. The water was not smooth and I was not driving as I was riding. In my opinion this made driving the boat much easier as it wasn’t listed (more comfortable when I’m in the water with this and someone else is driving). I’m not sure as I wasn’t driving but I suspect it accelerated better with less cavitation. I will test again when I’m driving and report back. My best day surfing so far on my 195, ropeless for about 10 seconds. Lol.