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BIG NEWS FROM JETBOATPILOT: All New Thrust Vector System Introduced Today!!!

I have installed an additional SS rod to my rudder from my port jet. Will the new Thrust Vectors work with twin rods?
 
I have installed an additional SS rod to my rudder from my port jet. Will the new Thrust Vectors work with twin rods?
No they will not. We do not make a cut away right side fin. Also you really don't need the tie rod unless you're running a set of fins that stay in the water all the time. You can take it off if you're not using Cobras.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. I don't have anything except your Lateral thruster. I wanted the extra rod for safety if one of my steering cables got damaged or broke. Could I notch the port side fin?
 
got a 19 scarab 195 open ID with 300 HP BRP you all going to make a jet wash surf part for scarab? will be pre ordering the new trust vector! Im fin driving but man could my wife use the HELP HEHE
 
Hello all! We've got some HUGE news that we'd like to share today. But first if you'd prefer to watch the video version of the below dissertation of our new Thrust Vector product, click on this link: Video Version

It is hard to believe that 10 years ago JetBoatPilot released its first product, Thrust Vector. Thrust Vector was an immediate success. Over time we stayed connected to our customers and listened to their feedback. Most of the feedback was positive, with users telling us that they enjoyed the added control and confidence that came along with it. But some told us that they wish that they had more control. So we acted upon these few suggestions and rolled out Thrust Vector XL. It was only 2 inches longer, but light years ahead in terms of added control.

In 2015 Yamaha released new 24 foot models with the addition of the Articulating Keel. This made necessary a dramatic change in the system to allow it to work with newer and older style boats. We called this system Thrust Vector XV, for the roman numerals 15... as in 2015.... get it?....ok moving on.

Again in 2019 Yamaha released a new nozzle design and once again we had to adapt our design to work with new nozzles and legacy boats. We called this product Thrust Vector X. Thrust Vector X was not the only new addition that year. We also launched in the same year, Thrust Vector Wake, our low speed steering enhancement that also enhances watersports activities like tubing, wakeboarding and wake surfing.

Over the last two years since the introduction of our current Thrust Vector products we have received a lot of great feedback in regards to how the system performs. Unfortunately we've also received feedback that the installation is difficult, too time consuming, and too technical. People don't like the epoxy step and the time associated with letting the epoxy cure. We've also had to handle a significantly higher number of warranty claims than with our previous Thrust Vector systems. Most of these warranty claims are related to cosmetic issues like faded anodized finishes or flaking powder coating.

Because of these issues inherent with the current design Both Thrust Vector X and Thrust Vector Wake will be discontinued in November. Inventory has been reduced and a percentage of our stock has been allocated for warranty parts.

In the spirit of continual improvement over the last 12 months we have been in development of a new system to replace both Thrust Vector X and Thrust Vector Wake. The goals were clear.

Make the new system easy to install.

Reduce complexity and eliminate technical steps such as height gauges and adjustment angles.

Eliminate EPOXY!

Provide a clean surf wave and minimize the spray for tubers.

Get away from aluminum fins and back to flexible and color fast polymer fins.

Make the system universal so it works with all jet boats, all years.

Break up the Thrust Vector Wake System so that the fins and jetwash deflector can be sold separately.

And finally reduce the cost.

We are pleased to announce that we have succeeded in accomplishing all of these goals. Our new system, in the spirit of simplicity, is called Thrust Vector. No more acronyms to confuse potential buyers as they try to make a decision on what to buy.

Our new patent pending Thrust Vector system is a first of its kind. Since its introduction in 2010 Thrust Vector has relied upon jet thrust to actuate the fins to the up position. We found that the spring tension pulling the fins downward creates a small amount of spray while at speeds above 10 mph. This spray is minimal and is not the spray associated with the spray that tubers face (quite literally) when tubing. The spray is mostly noticed when attempting to clean up the surf wave at or around 10-11 mph. To eliminate the spray while surfing while at the same time eliminating complexity, epoxy and adjustment steps, we had to reimagine how to actuate the fins into the up position. The answer was actually quite simple. We created an actuator that uses water flow beneath the boat as a lifting force. This new patent pending design allows Thrust Vector to remain in the down position until around 5 mph. As the boat speeds up the force exerted on the small vertical plates at the bottom of the actuator exceeds the hold down force of the spring. At this moment the fins rotate upward and as the boat reaches plane speeds the fins are carried out of the water completely. The only part of the system that comes into contact with the water are the two small plates which we call skis. They act similarly to the way that water skis work when skiing behind a boat. The angle is such that the skis always press the fins in an upward direction.

What's really great about this new method of actuation is that the actuator does not come into contact with the jet wash at speeds above 5 mph. This means that the spray created by an older version of Thrust Vector is eliminated, creating a favorable surf wave for boaters who want to go surfing.

We've tested on both twin engine and single engine boats and the results are the same in all scenarios. Great low speed control and no added spray while at plane speeds. And, there's more. This new method of actuating our fins to the up position also allows us to reduce the number of springs used to keep the fins down. And it allows us to completely remove the spring stops which eliminates the need for epoxy and cure times. NO MORE EPOXY!

But it gets better still. One of the only complaints we've ever received on our BRP Thrust Vector Kits is that the cross member with the bump stop would commonly rub the underside of the reverse bucket. This would create a scratch on the powder coated surface and in worst case scenarios potentially cause difficulty lowering the reverse gate to the fully down position. With our new patent pending design, the cross member and bump stop have been completely eliminated from the BRP Thrust Vector product! There is now no possible way for the system to scratch powder coated surfaces complete freedom to move the reverse gate up or down without interference.

Thrust Vector for Yamaha Jet Boats will be offered at pre-sale pricing at $399.95 for twin engine boats. For single engine models it will be pre sold at $199.95. Final retail numbers will be determined nearer to product launch which is slated for January 2021. BRP Thrust Vectors will pre sell at $399 for a twin and $199 for a single. The final retail should remain the same as it has been, $439.95 for a twin engine version and $219.95 for a single engine version.

JetWash Deflector will now be sold separately and will sell at $349.95 for the 21 and 23 foot version and $699.95 for the 24 foot version. When you buy the Thrust Vector system and JetWash Deflector at the same time there will be a combo discount of $50 for 21/23 footers and $100 for 24/25 footers. (JetWash Deflector is not needed for single engine jet boats.)

Beta testing has been ongoing since spring 2020. We have tested extensively in house with much success but experience has taught us that beta testing is critical and that it must be done to ensure the highest quality and best possible customer experience when delivered. If you would like to be a beta tester of our all new Thrust Vector system please e-mail us at will@jetboatpilot.com. We'll be able to give you more details when the beta units are ready to ship. Ideally users who want to participate in the beta program will reside in warmer climates like Florida or Texas so that testing may continue even during the cooler fall season. However if you live in an area where you can continue boating in the fall we'd be glad to send you a beta unit if you'll be willing to go boating in the cold.

With your help we hope to begin shipping product in January 2021. Please email us with any questions you may have. We'll be glad to help you any way that we can.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I don't have anything except your Lateral thruster. I wanted the extra rod for safety if one of my steering cables got damaged or broke. Could I notch the port side fin?
You could but to be honest you really don't need the second tie rod. Its easier to remove than to create a new fin.
 
Will, so no go yet on the 230 series boats?
 
You could but to be honest you really don't need the second tie rod. Its easier to remove than to create a new fin.
Will, if we have the x version on with the epoxy bracket, do we need to remove the bracket for the new version or can we leave it and still use the new ones?
 
Hey Will,
Why the different design with the JetWash deflector between the 24' and 21's? Wouldn't it be the same with the dual nozzles?
Thanks
 
Hey Will,
Why the different design with the JetWash deflector between the 24' and 21's? Wouldn't it be the same with the dual nozzles?
Thanks
Its possible that the 24 foot jetwash deflector could clip on to a 21 foot boat, but the issue is not with the mount, but rather the interference with the Thrust Vector.

If someone planned to never add a Thrust Vector to their boat and wanted to run a 24 foot jetwash deflector, they could in theory do just that. Bear in mind it has not been tested on a 21.

Truth is the small deflector provides the same results that the larger one does, when used on a 21 footer so in our opinion the larger provides no real advantage and thus not worth the added expense.
 
Glad to hear you got rid of addition spray? Is the product lighter now also for the TVWake?

I had concerns and sent back a message here or picture of the excess spray last summer when I had my TVWakes installed and was told it wasn't adjusted correctly.

The bigger concern I ended up having was when the provided bolt snapped due to the weight/pressure it had on pump system. April 2020 bolt snapped, after probably 25-30hours of them being on boat.

You (Will Owen) did a great job sending the new stronger bolt, but to be honest at that point I was done with them.

The 1st outing the middle deflector popped off the swim ladder and got lost, I never felt comfortable with how it was suppose to hit and almost seem like it used the bottom edge of swim deck as a "stop". This happened week or so after installing (all my equipment was origional from pre order).

This was on an 06 SX230.

PS where is the video of the new version in working order?
 
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Doesn't sound like you had the Jetwash deflector installed correctly, because when that thing is locked into the ladder, its tight and it also has a safety strap to prevent it from being "lost". The ladder stop prevents it from hitting the bottom of the hull on mine, but not sure on your model boat. The Wake wedge did more damage to the bottom of my swim platform/hull, then the Jetwash deflector.

 
Doesn't sound like you had the Jetwash deflector installed correctly, because when that thing is locked into the ladder, its tight and it also has a safety strap to prevent it from being "lost". The ladder stop prevents it from hitting the bottom of the hull on mine, but not sure on your model boat. The Wake wedge did more damage to the bottom of my swim platform/hull, then the Jetwash deflector.

Had the strap on.. spoke to will on phone and sent pictures to make sure I installed properly. On my 06 sx230 it never seemed to fit very well the proper way or the improper. I spent more time installing snd messing with that then I did installi g the Fins.
 
Glad to hear you got rid of addition spray? Is the product lighter now also for the TVWake?

I had concerns and sent back a message here or picture of the excess spray last summer when I had my TVWakes installed and was told it wasn't adjusted correctly.

The bigger concern I ended up having was when the provided bolt snapped due to the weight/pressure it had on pump system. April 2020 bolt snapped, after probably 25-30hours of them being on boat.

You (Will Owen) did a great job sending the new stronger bolt, but to be honest at that point I was done with them.

The 1st outing the middle deflector popped off the swim ladder and got lost, I never felt comfortable with how it was suppose to hit and almost seem like it used the bottom edge of swim deck as a "stop". This happened week or so after installing (all my equipment was origional from pre order).

This was on an 06 SX230.

PS where is the video of the new version in working order?
The fit on the first generation deflectors was good for most but we did note that some boarding ladders were a tad wider at the first rung (step). This made for a less than solid connection and I believe the reason why you lost your deflector. We should have offered you a replacement a no cost other than shipping if and if we did not I am offering that now.

The new clip design creates a better lock than before and also allows for the width to vary a bit.

You're also correct about the contact with the hull. The up stop is made from Starboard, which is a soft polymer material that will not mar or scratch your gelcoat. Also the full width of the up stop carries the load and distributes it well. On the white version like yours this load is minimal and again I'd not be concerned with damage to your boat's hull.

As for the Thrust Vector design, the new version basically offers the same industry leading low speed control as previous versions, plus with our new patent pending method of actuation, we're no longer putting down force on the jet wash which has the effect of reducing spray coming from the jet nozzle.

I want to be clear on this though. Just because we're able to actuate our fins to the up position without having Thrust Vector parts pressing down on the jet wash does not mean that we're controlling the spray exiting the nozzle. We're not. We're basically allowing the user to add a Thrust Vector system that includes the benefit of functioning without touching the exiting jet thrust.

Because we know surfers are going to want to add Thrust Vectors, we now recommend the JetWash Deflector (sold separately) for those who want to surf. It can be used with or without the Thrust Vector system installed. But, understand this. It does a great job cleaning up the surf wave behind the boat when ballasted correctly, but it does not reduce spray for tubers or wakeboarders. We had inconsistent feedback with Thrust Vector Wake in regards to cleaning up the jet spray for tubers so we opted to remove that claim moving forward with the new Thrust Vector.

Some have made claims that previous versions of our Thrust Vector systems (excluding Thrust Vector Wake) caused spray in the face of tubers and other unwanted jet spray related concerns. And though we tested and proved this to be untrue, we wanted to create a new version that would have no impact on the jet thrust exiting the nozzle. Our new Thrust Vector system does just that. Its basically like having the benefit of added low speed steering plus a completely stock feel at high speeds. This is manifested in a lighter feel in the wheel at high speeds, which will be appreciated by all the current Thrust Vector Wake users.

I hope this helps.
 
So....when can we pre-order the new TV? Is it going to work like the group-buy as we email our info and wait till a certain date? Thanks.
 
So....when can we pre-order the new TV? Is it going to work like the group-buy as we email our info and wait till a certain date? Thanks.
I'd recommend ordering online. You'll get a notification when it ships, slated for January.
 
The fit on the first generation deflectors was good for most but we did note that some boarding ladders were a tad wider at the first rung (step). This made for a less than solid connection and I believe the reason why you lost your deflector. We should have offered you a replacement a no cost other than shipping if and if we did not I am offering that now.

The new clip design creates a better lock than before and also allows for the width to vary a bit.

You're also correct about the contact with the hull. The up stop is made from Starboard, which is a soft polymer material that will not mar or scratch your gelcoat. Also the full width of the up stop carries the load and distributes it well. On the white version like yours this load is minimal and again I'd not be concerned with damage to your boat's hull.

As for the Thrust Vector design, the new version basically offers the same industry leading low speed control as previous versions, plus with our new patent pending method of actuation, we're no longer putting down force on the jet wash which has the effect of reducing spray coming from the jet nozzle.

I want to be clear on this though. Just because we're able to actuate our fins to the up position without having Thrust Vector parts pressing down on the jet wash does not mean that we're controlling the spray exiting the nozzle. We're not. We're basically allowing the user to add a Thrust Vector system that includes the benefit of functioning without touching the exiting jet thrust.

Because we know surfers are going to want to add Thrust Vectors, we now recommend the JetWash Deflector (sold separately) for those who want to surf. It can be used with or without the Thrust Vector system installed. But, understand this. It does a great job cleaning up the surf wave behind the boat when ballasted correctly, but it does not reduce spray for tubers or wakeboarders. We had inconsistent feedback with Thrust Vector Wake in regards to cleaning up the jet spray for tubers so we opted to remove that claim moving forward with the new Thrust Vector.

Some have made claims that previous versions of our Thrust Vector systems (excluding Thrust Vector Wake) caused spray in the face of tubers and other unwanted jet spray related concerns. And though we tested and proved this to be untrue, we wanted to create a new version that would have no impact on the jet thrust exiting the nozzle. Our new Thrust Vector system does just that. Its basically like having the benefit of added low speed steering plus a completely stock feel at high speeds. This is manifested in a lighter feel in the wheel at high speeds, which will be appreciated by all the current Thrust Vector Wake users.

I hope this helps.
Great write addressing a lot of prior discussion and questions. Will the new TV system work if you leave the bonded bracket from the TV X on your jet nozzle? Hate to mess with removing it if I don't have to. Thanks Will.
 
Great write addressing a lot of prior discussion and questions. Will the new TV system work if you leave the bonded bracket from the TV X on your jet nozzle? Hate to mess with removing it if I don't have to. Thanks Will.
Yes I believe it will work Without the requirement for Removing that bracket.
 
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