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Kyma K7 Wakeboard Boat (jet drive) Video

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Interesting perspective and welcome criticism. Sometimes a well thought out and executed product can trump a lackluster website. Feel free to reach out to us directly to schedule an experience or learn more about what we have to offer. We feel you'll find we are much more than a website which can't be said for all.
 

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Interesting perspective and welcome criticism. Sometimes a well thought out and executed product can trump a lackluster website. Feel free to reach out to us directly to schedule an experience or learn more about what we have to offer. We feel you'll find we are much more than a website which can't be said for all.
Gotta give you guys credit for joining the forum and this feed! Thanks for responding with a ton info and questions answered. Will definitely be watching as your company progresses!
 

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I think this company really missed a huge opportunity because of the price point. They could have offered a no nonsense boat without all of the bullshit electronics and kept the price down, instead they went the opposite way. There's no way they will steal anyone away from the established wake boat companies and there's no way they are going to steal customers away from Yamaha because of the price. Having a jet drive isn't a big enough selling point when someone is looking for a wake/surf boat. There's a lot of other wakeboats out there in that size for less money from more established manufacturers and with more than 12 person capacity. No way to get the boat serviced locally is a big issue.
 

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It looks better than I expected, but as I stated before like @ripler the price is an issue. I think they need an entry level boat to capture more market. Too many wakeboat manufacturers are doing this at a lower price (is the issue that I see).
 

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Thanks to all for your interest in our product. You all have some great questions and we'll keep working to keep you informed. We're a small private startup with a deep passion for watersports and jetboats. Seeing the void in the market we set out to create a new option that expands the capabilities of both the jet and VDrive platforms and ditch the compromises of PWC based Jets. We want to get one thing out of the way. The product isn't designed to be the ultimate Wakesurf machine....let's face it, the VDrives own that market. What it is designed to do is everything jets are known for better while providing a competitive option for watersports. Every choice we made is to this goal. The alliance and Boating Mag teams have bithe confirmed that we achieved our goal.....a great jet option that has a legit surf wave comparable to VDrive offerings in the same weight and length class.

Every comment and questions above are legit (well maybe except the color...seems we found the one person that doesn't like the color of the first boat lol). We'll try to answer some of them here but this boat is much more than the sun of its parts. And yes, a better website is on the way.....

For now I'll touch on some of the big questions above:
Steering - we're using Optimus Digital for wakeboard. No cables, full digital, this is a thread in itself in how it impacts the experience - no rudder. We're leaving room for aftermarket

Jet pump - American Turbine SD231. It's a solid stainless body with a 231 mm stainless impeller (25% more swept area than twin PWC type pumps). It has a significant history and is military spec or better. It's very tunable and made to pump rocks....the clean out has captured wing nuts that can't be lost and the whole thing is accessible through the billet aluminum swim platform

Our true neutral capability is based on a digitally controlled electrohydraulic actuator connected to the reverse bucket with a solid pushrod and military spec spherical rod ends. This results in precision repeatability of the neutral position sot it's always the same. There is no transmission to service and every component in the digital system is military spec IP69 rated. Every sensor is internal to the oil bath in the actuator.

The Seakeeper and steering "service screens" are in the driver's glove box. These will go away as we integrate into the HMI in future models. They're only there for service ... Out of the way but easy to access.

Ballast is 4 fatsacs and Johnson Tallulah pumps. Fill time for 3100# is 4 minutes. The whole system is solid state and there are no relays. All 4 pumps are on the rear bulkhead for easy service access.

The engine is closed cooling with a sea strainer. This is a standard setup and the winterization is simple. Either flush glycol through the freshwater flush port or pull the heat exchange end cap with one bolt.

Every boat is equipped with lifetime Telematics through Osmosis (same supplier as Nautique and owned by Nautique). This gives you visibility of your boat anywhere any time and allows us to diagnose problems remotely.

Sound System is full WetSounds with 1800W, 6 8", 2 10" Tower speakers and a 12" sub....The whole system is fully plug and play so there are no connections to come lose and cannot be wired in correctly (same exact amps Malibu uses)

The side tow points on the tower have two mounting positions (high and low). These same positions are designed to hold PTM Clampforce V3 racks. Do you have the choice of tow points and rack location....or you can run double racks.

The bimini has dual surf pockets so you really don't need racks but we chose to design the boat to use the best available. Every boat comes with a custom mooring and towing cover.

The trailer is an Ameratrail Powdercoated soft channel aluminum trailer....it's a work of art with galvanized torsion axles, dual disk brakes, swing tongue, 17" wheels with 10ply DTAP (discount tire approved products) tires rated to 81mph and come with road Hazzard. They can be service at any discount tire location nationwide.

Warranty is Lifetime structural, 5 years 500 hrs engine and driveline (extendable by Indmar to 7years) and 3 years everything else.

The garboard drain is midships accessible under the garbage bin. It has a 12" extended handle to make it easy access. The central location full drains the bilge with one plug.

The boat comes standard with automated (off above 5mph, push button temp on above 5mph for spotlighting markers) docking lights in the billet side badges and underwater lights. We don't have RGB yet but we do have signature teal lighting elements (waiting for the next generation single wire RGB coming to the market next year)

The rod holder cupholder combos arent really there for rods, they're there for mounting the Gemlux solar shade front or rear. It's an off the shelf quality part. The rod holder part is nice if you have kids too....Honestly, we always carry some ultralights in the boat for sight fishing when we're just floating playing.....the rod holders also make perfect places for flag poles and the solar shade poles work perfectly for flying your favorite flags.

We did consider the 2.3 ecojet option but we wanted to know we had the torque needed to pull more weight. The ecojet could do it but would require twin jets which compromises the wake. A single jet is lower in the pocket and doesn't interfere with the wake or wave. Going to a single bigger jet reduces the friction losses and harmonics associated with twins.....packaging for ballast is much better too. We were inspired by the ecojet but went oue own path and found the AT 231 and never looked back.

As far as pricing goes we wanted to build a jet boat with features and capability that wasn't available. Other jet brands are hamstrung by sales quotas and PWC based engines so they have built in compromises....the biggest player has to keep volumes up and pricing low to make sure.they sell every engine they build....so competing with them on price would be an act of futility. This gave us the opportunity to go upmarket and offer performance and comfort comparable to mid level VDrives at a price comparable to mid level vdrives. Offering the boat direct gives us the opportunity to add some features (power tower, aluminum trailer, digital steering, Seakeeper Ride, dual cockpit heaters etc) to set us apart from the Value brands of Jets and VDrives). We have an extremely efficient manufacturing process using automation at every point minimizing labor swings....so as we grow we'll add more options and capability while controlling costs better than others .... Right now we feel we're offering a reasoably priced product when the whole package is considered.

As far as the webpage goes, if you've ever priced a modern website it's ridiculous....so we had to compromise to get going. As with everything we do, we work to improve every day so expect to see regular updates on it. One thing that helps is running it on chrome. iOS limits the amount of data that can be transmitted and with our (budget) approach getting an efficient graphics package that works with our true CAD and iOS is very expensive. Frustrating but true.

The direct to consumer model is supported by our standard Telematics, central location (TN is 8hrs from 80% of the boat buying population), Indmars service network and our commitment to get direct answers and solutions to customers as quickly as possible. When the costs of selling through a dealer network are mapped, the customer is paying for things they don't need or want. It's a very wasteful process. To get people experience in our boats we offer a couple of packages where we come to you or you can come to us. Please feel free to reach out through kymaboats.com, Instagram or FB....

Thanks again for the interest.

Ed Malle
Founder and President
KYMA Boats
Ed - thank you for taking the time to write this up, answers a lot of questions and reinforces (for me) that you guys are boat users building boats for users. Talk soon!
 

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We get that the general consumer would like a cheap option that does everything. Other brands have jet boats covered at low price points. But to get the price point they sacrifice performance and capability....The market is saturated with the lowest price options (not to mention used options). If you want more with jet capabilities there's no one else doing what we're doing. We aren't aiming to take out any players. We're just offering a new option for those who want what we offer. A more capable jet boat option. Yes, it's a niche boat but no one else is in the niche.

This conversation is like comparing a Miata to a Corvette. You can take them both to the track and they might even be similar in track times but a modern Vette is so much more than a miata will ever be.

We can de-content the boat (cheap trailer, cheap tower, no cover, no telematics etc) But controlling bags with rocker switches is a warranty nightmare and so are gauges. They also make it difficult for new boaters to control a wake or wave and have no repeatability. This is why most manufacturers don't use those technologies any more. Hard tanks can be done that way but offer another set of challenges (again, why legacy builders are still using bags). Cheap trailers damage boats and don't outlast the finance term (let alone get through a full summer without blowing a tire and damaging the boat and trailer and sidelining the owner at the worst possible time). People are aging and want the convenience of pushing a button to lower the tower. The dealer model is dying ... Which is why all of the big auto manufacturers are offering more and more direct sales experiences.

Not everyone falls into the category of our target buyer but there are people out there who do and we're trying to reach them.

Keep the comments coming in a productive manner and we'll keep listening.
 

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I think this company really missed a huge opportunity because of the price point. They could have offered a no nonsense boat without all of the bullshit electronics and kept the price down, instead they went the opposite way. There's no way they will steal anyone away from the established wake boat companies and there's no way they are going to steal customers away from Yamaha because of the price. Having a jet drive isn't a big enough selling point when someone is looking for a wake/surf boat. There's a lot of other wakeboats out there in that size for less money from more established manufacturers and with more than 12 person capacity. No way to get the boat serviced locally is a big issue.
I see your point, but again, there are many of us that want vdrive class waves but are on rivers and flowages where wrecking an $800 prop is just unrealistic. Where we spend 90% of our time, I need to cross multiple areas of 3' to get to deep water. And then when I get there, it's 20min of setup to surf, hauling bags out and making people move, jumping in the water to attach the booster, and then... if someone surf's goofy, it's 20min to empty/fill and move devices.

This boat checks a lot of boxes for someone like me.
 

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@KYMABOATS

Welcome to the forums. I absolutely LOVE to see a manufacturer join the conversation. Excellent move IMO.

Lots of great info, and really appreciate the answers and the insight into the design decisions. Like what you guys are doing here, and hope you find a ton of success.

Couple more questions.

Any fuel burn data?
Speed data?
What system are you using for speed control? Any modifications to that system to address the non-linearity of jet drives as opposed to other boats it was used on?
What's the height on trailer with tower folder? Can we get it in an 8ft door?

Thanks again.

P.S. Sorry I don't like the color. I tend to be "that guy" a lot, don't take it personally, it's just preference.
 

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Thanks to all for your interest in our product. You all have some great questions and we'll keep working to keep you informed. We're a small private startup with a deep passion for watersports and jetboats. Seeing the void in the market we set out to create a new option that expands the capabilities of both the jet and VDrive platforms and ditch the compromises of PWC based Jets. We want to get one thing out of the way. The product isn't designed to be the ultimate Wakesurf machine....let's face it, the VDrives own that market. What it is designed to do is everything jets are known for better while providing a competitive option for watersports. Every choice we made is to this goal. The alliance and Boating Mag teams have bithe confirmed that we achieved our goal.....a great jet option that has a legit surf wave comparable to VDrive offerings in the same weight and length class.

Every comment and questions above are legit (well maybe except the color...seems we found the one person that doesn't like the color of the first boat lol). We'll try to answer some of them here but this boat is much more than the sun of its parts. And yes, a better website is on the way.....

For now I'll touch on some of the big questions above:
Steering - we're using Optimus Digital for wakeboard. No cables, full digital, this is a thread in itself in how it impacts the experience - no rudder. We're leaving room for aftermarket

Jet pump - American Turbine SD231. It's a solid stainless body with a 231 mm stainless impeller (25% more swept area than twin PWC type pumps). It has a significant history and is military spec or better. It's very tunable and made to pump rocks....the clean out has captured wing nuts that can't be lost and the whole thing is accessible through the billet aluminum swim platform

Our true neutral capability is based on a digitally controlled electrohydraulic actuator connected to the reverse bucket with a solid pushrod and military spec spherical rod ends. This results in precision repeatability of the neutral position sot it's always the same. There is no transmission to service and every component in the digital system is military spec IP69 rated. Every sensor is internal to the oil bath in the actuator.

The Seakeeper and steering "service screens" are in the driver's glove box. These will go away as we integrate into the HMI in future models. They're only there for service ... Out of the way but easy to access.

Ballast is 4 fatsacs and Johnson Tallulah pumps. Fill time for 3100# is 4 minutes. The whole system is solid state and there are no relays. All 4 pumps are on the rear bulkhead for easy service access.

The engine is closed cooling with a sea strainer. This is a standard setup and the winterization is simple. Either flush glycol through the freshwater flush port or pull the heat exchange end cap with one bolt.

Every boat is equipped with lifetime Telematics through Osmosis (same supplier as Nautique and owned by Nautique). This gives you visibility of your boat anywhere any time and allows us to diagnose problems remotely.

Sound System is full WetSounds with 1800W, 6 8", 2 10" Tower speakers and a 12" sub....The whole system is fully plug and play so there are no connections to come lose and cannot be wired in correctly (same exact amps Malibu uses)

The side tow points on the tower have two mounting positions (high and low). These same positions are designed to hold PTM Clampforce V3 racks. Do you have the choice of tow points and rack location....or you can run double racks.

The bimini has dual surf pockets so you really don't need racks but we chose to design the boat to use the best available. Every boat comes with a custom mooring and towing cover.

The trailer is an Ameratrail Powdercoated soft channel aluminum trailer....it's a work of art with galvanized torsion axles, dual disk brakes, swing tongue, 17" wheels with 10ply DTAP (discount tire approved products) tires rated to 81mph and come with road Hazzard. They can be service at any discount tire location nationwide.

Warranty is Lifetime structural, 5 years 500 hrs engine and driveline (extendable by Indmar to 7years) and 3 years everything else.

The garboard drain is midships accessible under the garbage bin. It has a 12" extended handle to make it easy access. The central location full drains the bilge with one plug.

The boat comes standard with automated (off above 5mph, push button temp on above 5mph for spotlighting markers) docking lights in the billet side badges and underwater lights. We don't have RGB yet but we do have signature teal lighting elements (waiting for the next generation single wire RGB coming to the market next year)

The rod holder cupholder combos arent really there for rods, they're there for mounting the Gemlux solar shade front or rear. It's an off the shelf quality part. The rod holder part is nice if you have kids too....Honestly, we always carry some ultralights in the boat for sight fishing when we're just floating playing.....the rod holders also make perfect places for flag poles and the solar shade poles work perfectly for flying your favorite flags.

We did consider the 2.3 ecojet option but we wanted to know we had the torque needed to pull more weight. The ecojet could do it but would require twin jets which compromises the wake. A single jet is lower in the pocket and doesn't interfere with the wake or wave. Going to a single bigger jet reduces the friction losses and harmonics associated with twins.....packaging for ballast is much better too. We were inspired by the ecojet but went oue own path and found the AT 231 and never looked back.

As far as pricing goes we wanted to build a jet boat with features and capability that wasn't available. Other jet brands are hamstrung by sales quotas and PWC based engines so they have built in compromises....the biggest player has to keep volumes up and pricing low to make sure.they sell every engine they build....so competing with them on price would be an act of futility. This gave us the opportunity to go upmarket and offer performance and comfort comparable to mid level VDrives at a price comparable to mid level vdrives. Offering the boat direct gives us the opportunity to add some features (power tower, aluminum trailer, digital steering, Seakeeper Ride, dual cockpit heaters etc) to set us apart from the Value brands of Jets and VDrives). We have an extremely efficient manufacturing process using automation at every point minimizing labor swings....so as we grow we'll add more options and capability while controlling costs better than others .... Right now we feel we're offering a reasoably priced product when the whole package is considered.

As far as the webpage goes, if you've ever priced a modern website it's ridiculous....so we had to compromise to get going. As with everything we do, we work to improve every day so expect to see regular updates on it. One thing that helps is running it on chrome. iOS limits the amount of data that can be transmitted and with our (budget) approach getting an efficient graphics package that works with our true CAD and iOS is very expensive. Frustrating but true.

The direct to consumer model is supported by our standard Telematics, central location (TN is 8hrs from 80% of the boat buying population), Indmars service network and our commitment to get direct answers and solutions to customers as quickly as possible. When the costs of selling through a dealer network are mapped, the customer is paying for things they don't need or want. It's a very wasteful process. To get people experience in our boats we offer a couple of packages where we come to you or you can come to us. Please feel free to reach out through kymaboats.com, Instagram or FB....

Thanks again for the interest.

Ed Malle
Founder and President
KYMA Boats
Amazing of you to join! The internet can be a brutal place, as you can see. I'm like @anmut. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE a V-drive, but my family isn't 100% lake based. My wife loves taking our boat down to the beach where we grew up and sandbar hopping. I've got to please her and try and please myself at the same time (that came out wrong). LOL! But you get what I mean. I really want push button surf capability and if you look at some of my past threads I've gone through some pretty great lengths to get that out of my boat. I'm basically there now, but the wave is still not great. It's surf-able ropeless but the pocket is small and the push is just ok.

I'd say I'm probably right in your target market for this. Cost is a smidge prohibitive at this point but I also have young kids and single income. When the youngest is in school and the wife goes back to work dual incomes could easily make a boat like this a reality.

In any event couple questions.

  1. Are the ballast bags upgradeable?
    1. Meaning is there space to put larger bags? Adjust the filling time?
  2. Closed loop cooling is good, but can it handle salt? Or is there a coastal/salt option?
  3. When you select surf left or right does it use the seakeeper to adjust the wave? Meaning is the wave adjusted by forcing a lean/list either by seakeeper or ballast?
  4. Tracking straight is a problem with jetboats. Are there center tracking fins like on a lot of wake boats?
 

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Ahhhhh, that answers one question. So it can go in salt? Is there still a need for a flush port? Even with closed loop cooling I'm assuming there's a heat exchanger of sorts that has raw water pumped through, no?
 

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Wanted to follow-up on this thread. I had about an 1.5 hour conversation with the owner on Friday by phone. Sounds like the linage behind this brand and idea is very strong and well thought out. I was impressed and cannot wait for production to ramp up and to see some additional reviews!
 
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