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Jetboaters Fleet Admiral 1*
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- Location
- North Caldwell, NJ
- Boat Make
- Yamaha
- Year
- 2016
- Boat Model
- AR
- Boat Length
- 24
I solved it. I'm so happy!
It surprised me, the issue was fill line/hose. My cap vent line was fine upon inspection, the fill line was partially clogged by a broken(?) valve (tank side). See below for details.
I did not address the carbon cartridge circuit at all, but I think it is irrelevant for filling speed when pumping gas, at least in the setup I'm dealing with, but I'm pretty sure it is also the case for Yamaha as it is the same system - fill cap vent and carbon canister on a separate circuit ((I'm almost sure of that, but would need to confirm the fill cap vent). Basically, when everything is working as it should the vent built-in the fill cap vents the air evacuating the tank while filling it with gas.
Here is what I did, after discussion with @TeenGee (thank you, brother!):
1. Scoped the fill hose/line with a borescope; at approximately the distance where I would be hitting the tank valve(s) I saw a white "valve" inside the hose, couldn't get pass that; that was a major clue.
2. I climbed inside the boat (yes, wearing long sleeves... lol), managed to disconnect double clamps and the hose, which was hell-ish, working through a small hatch where I could only fit one arm in.
3. This is what I saw inside - a crooked valve:
4. I removed the plastic white valve with a special long liers tool I happened to have with me; it was (further) damaged in the process albeit likely already damaged - as it was not working:
5. I tested the fill hose snaking a fish/wire puller - it went through - I realized at that point the bad valve was likely the issue!
6. I then tested the vent line/hose; I could not get the borescope in through the cap vent opening, so I disconnected it and tested with the wire puller: that line was clear; I could also blow air into this hose and hear it exit at the cap.
At that point, I was rather optimistic, so I did not bother to investigate the carbon cartridge circuit.
[As an aside - I had one of the carbon cartridge hoses inadvertently kinked/obstructed in the AR240 during my wakesurfing ballast installation project; I filled the boat with gas with no ill effects at least once or twice before I corrected the issue; that makes me think that circuit is. not doing much during fill-ups. ]
I rode to the gas station and to my delight was able to fill up the PORT tank with almost 80 gal which added up to what was in corresponding well with the full stated capacity.
I was tempted to check the STRBD fill hose, but didn;t; it is not giving me any trouble at this point and it would had been another adventure of crawling inside the boat bowels, which I was not ready for. Will wait and see.
For the time being - total success!
Thank you all, much appreciated the advice and ideas, love this forum!!!
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It surprised me, the issue was fill line/hose. My cap vent line was fine upon inspection, the fill line was partially clogged by a broken(?) valve (tank side). See below for details.
I did not address the carbon cartridge circuit at all, but I think it is irrelevant for filling speed when pumping gas, at least in the setup I'm dealing with, but I'm pretty sure it is also the case for Yamaha as it is the same system - fill cap vent and carbon canister on a separate circuit ((I'm almost sure of that, but would need to confirm the fill cap vent). Basically, when everything is working as it should the vent built-in the fill cap vents the air evacuating the tank while filling it with gas.
Here is what I did, after discussion with @TeenGee (thank you, brother!):
1. Scoped the fill hose/line with a borescope; at approximately the distance where I would be hitting the tank valve(s) I saw a white "valve" inside the hose, couldn't get pass that; that was a major clue.
2. I climbed inside the boat (yes, wearing long sleeves... lol), managed to disconnect double clamps and the hose, which was hell-ish, working through a small hatch where I could only fit one arm in.
3. This is what I saw inside - a crooked valve:
4. I removed the plastic white valve with a special long liers tool I happened to have with me; it was (further) damaged in the process albeit likely already damaged - as it was not working:
5. I tested the fill hose snaking a fish/wire puller - it went through - I realized at that point the bad valve was likely the issue!
6. I then tested the vent line/hose; I could not get the borescope in through the cap vent opening, so I disconnected it and tested with the wire puller: that line was clear; I could also blow air into this hose and hear it exit at the cap.
At that point, I was rather optimistic, so I did not bother to investigate the carbon cartridge circuit.
[As an aside - I had one of the carbon cartridge hoses inadvertently kinked/obstructed in the AR240 during my wakesurfing ballast installation project; I filled the boat with gas with no ill effects at least once or twice before I corrected the issue; that makes me think that circuit is. not doing much during fill-ups. ]
I rode to the gas station and to my delight was able to fill up the PORT tank with almost 80 gal which added up to what was in corresponding well with the full stated capacity.
I was tempted to check the STRBD fill hose, but didn;t; it is not giving me any trouble at this point and it would had been another adventure of crawling inside the boat bowels, which I was not ready for. Will wait and see.
For the time being - total success!
Thank you all, much appreciated the advice and ideas, love this forum!!!
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Well in the end you have a beautiful, very capable watercraft that will bring smiles to your faces once sorted. Good Luck from this point forward. If I lived closer, I would come help you clean her up. But I see your daughters have a couple of potential suitors that will need to know the ins and outs of cleaning and detailing a yacht.