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SunSports in Fort Myers FL Worst Dealership ever ...Worst customer service and goes on

@1948Isaac maybe we should sit down and talk and see if we can open our own stealership the location here lost it license but Florida is probably a better location but if we could open a spot central to the most members on the member map I would bet that would be beneficial I'm in sales and you are a business man I think it could work. I'm sure we both have capital and your company could build the building. Just a thought but imagine how fun it would be to have your work be your passion.
 
@1948Isaac, sorry to hear of the disrespectful and unprofessional treatment that you've received. Just be happy that you know of a good dealership that you can work with. Maybe at some point people will do their homework and take note as to whether there is a competent dealership nearby who is willing to service their Yamaha, BEFORE they purchase an extended warranty.
Warranty is worthless if it takes months to get your boat repaired. Warranty is worthless if dealerships do not properly represent your issues to Yamaha for warranty claims. Warranty is worthless if the dealership is incompetent, and produces poor workmanship.
Because of all of the above, I did not purchase an extended warranty for my boat. If something serious happens, I'll sell it as-is and cut my losses.
 
@1948Isaac maybe we should sit down and talk and see if we can open our own stealership the location here lost it license but Florida is probably a better location but if we could open a spot central to the most members on the member map I would bet that would be beneficial I'm in sales and you are a business man I think it could work. I'm sure we both have capital and your company could build the building. Just a thought but imagine how fun it would be to have your work be your passion.
Man, you don't have an idea of how many times this subject have come up , is funny you mention this because about 3 months me and a friend started talking about the samething. We have spoke with a Yamaha rep, before and usually u need to be 35 miles away from any other dealership that sells their units but they told us that they will do an exception an let us sell their product with out having to be more than 30 miles away. In my opinion one thing that will be big to have in a dealership, will be to have water behind the dealership, like close to a canal that leads to an nice open area where customers can water test, or having a few demo watercraft and boat just for that. I am never got to water test first any of my boats, and in my opinion if you can show a customer how much fun and show them the capabilities of what the watercraft or boat can do, to me that a secure sale and many other things and activities that can be done to Create not just a dealership but more of a boating and watercraft family with family events for boaters and etc ... a place where while people are inside, we can have also activities for the family like fishing , BBQ etc on site.. it is about creating the right environment where your not only buying your boat or watercraft but where your going to be part of a big boating community and where you will be buying all your future boats as well... Now service , accessories, and customer satisfaction will be the key of this place like any other business to be able to strike for success.
 
Man, you don't have an idea of how many times this subject have come up , is funny you mention this because about 3 months me and a friend started talking about the samething. We have spoke with a Yamaha rep, before and usually u need to be 35 miles away from any other dealership that sells their units but they told us that they will do an exception an let us sell their product with out having to be more than 30 miles away. In my opinion one thing that will be big to have in a dealership, will be to have water behind the dealership, like close to a canal that leads to an nice open area where customers can water test, or having a few demo watercraft and boat just for that. I am never got to water test first any of my boats, and in my opinion if you can show a customer how much fun and show them the capabilities of what the watercraft or boat can do, to me that a secure sale and many other things and activities that can be done to Create not just a dealership but more of a boating and watercraft family with family events for boaters and etc ... a place where while people are inside, we can have also activities for the family like fishing , BBQ etc on site.. it is about creating the right environment where your not only buying your boat or watercraft but where your going to be part of a big boating community and where you will be buying all your future boats as well... Now service , accessories, and customer satisfaction will be the key of this place like any other business to be able to strike for success.

What where Yamaha's requirements 500 liquid and 500 credit line availability?
 
Thats about right. It was between the 400 to the 450's in liquid and around the same in credit line

Well after some research most of the other guys are pretty easy if you were opening a powersports dealer Kawasaki and Polarois seem very reasonable with very minimal out of pocket expense and BRP is 250 liquid and 300 credit line.
 
Surdyke at the lake of the ozarks may be the worst dealership....
 
Curious. Was the customer service at this POS stealership terrible after the first purchase? I'm guessing not, because you wouldn't have gone back for a second purchase. This kind of crap further buttresses the argument to buy used, after hopefully all the kinks have been worked out. I will add that a dealership manager told me the Connext system, especially as it relate to the GPS speed monitoring, is a nightmare and has too many glitches in it to ever work 100%. Overall, it seems to be a low end afterthought rushed into the line. The electronics are soiling the brand. Perhaps this is why the value of the older models has remained steady if not risen, over the past 2 years.
 
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Curious. Was the customer service at this POS stealership terrible after the first purchase? I'm guessing not, because you wouldn't have gone back for a second purchase. This kind of crap further buttresses the argument to buy used, after hopefully all the kinks have been worked out. I will add that a dealership manager told me the Connext system is a nightmare and has too many glitches in it to ever work 100%....The electronics are soiling the brand. Perhaps this is why the value of the older models has remained steady if not risen, over the past 2 years.

@OCMD All good points. I am not a big fan of Connext, and cringe to think what it will do if you buy a boat now, then keep her for 10-15 years...

If you are looking at 2015/16 MY - the used market is basically just fledgling... Not much to look at, really, and at a 5k discount or so offered for a used one at the most, the dealer choices start looking not so bad... I know, buying a new boat is one of the worst financial decisions EVER. That is one thing I thought I would never (ever) do. But, if you are in the market for a 2015/16 240 - I am not so sure anymore...

I have a feeling the high prices of (newer) used Yamaha boats may have something to do, at least in part, with a fact that A LOT of these boats are purchased with loans and, when listed for sale, it is difficult to find them listed at real value, the way the boat loans are structured these days, many end up listed at prices that are not much different from MSRP...

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They cant deny any warranty per hours on the boats as long as you have time left. I find most dealers in Fl just want a sale and then good bye to you.
 
Surdyke at the lake of the ozarks may be the worst dealership....
Would it be sales, service, both? If you care to share.
 
Surdyke at the lake of the ozarks may be the worst dealership....
Curious as well. I know a lot of people that have bought Yamahas from them.....?????
 
I didn't purchase there, but against the advice of someone here, who shared a doozie of a story with me about their experience with them...I took my boat there for a ten hour service and to fix the throttle drop.

They loosened the cables, that's what there fix was for the throttle drop. I spent about three minutes at the dealership explaining the throttle drop to the guy before he rolled his eyes and gave me the yeah yeah.

When I picked up my boat, I didn't that time to line item it and just left. He charged me $150 to loosen the cables. When I called to tell him that the throttle drop was not fixed, I asked him why the charge. He said they charge for older boats that have that problem. I told him my boat was 45 days old. He refused to credit my $150.

I have another doozie of a story from a friend of a friend, but it's too much to type.

I am sure they have provided some people with good service, but I have opted for a three hour drive to St. Louis rather than a 20 minute drive for surdyke to touch my boat.
 
Oye... reading these stories, and the subsequent comments about flaky electronics in the newer boats makes me cringe. I have no idea what I would do if my boat needed to be replaced. A new 212X in Canada is selling for $78,000 CAD (~$60,000 USD) + 13% tax (depending on province). Not sure who in their right mind would buy a new one of these. Will be gently caressing my 2008 tonight in hopes she's a good girl for a while.
 
Sorry to hear about this experience, @MrMoose !

Oh, wait. You are not him. Funny, sounds hauntingly familiar to his experience with our local dealer.... Wonder if there is something mother Yamaha has changed in the way they pay or certify these guys that is causing these issues.
@tdonoughue ......interesting comment you made! My last cruiser (brand new) had some expensive warranty issues. The manufacturer "covered" all of them - no questions/problems. The dealer (had purchased new boats from him over the years) was awesome. One time I mentioned to him that it was great that the manufacturer covered the warranty - no problem. He replied " You are a great customer who looks after his boats and this is not a complaint but the manufacturers almost never give us the "shop rates" for labor that we post in our shop and charge our regular customers. It is rare when we don't lose money with warranty claims - sometimes quite a bit. It's also like this in the automotive business but in boats the gap is even worse!" Hmmmmmm - maybe explains why boat dealers drag their feet with warranty claims particularly if their shop is busy????? :cool:
 
Sorry to hear about this experience, @MrMoose !

Oh, wait. You are not him. Funny, sounds hauntingly familiar to his experience with our local dealer.... Wonder if there is something mother Yamaha has changed in the way they pay or certify these guys that is causing these issues.
Yes @tdonoughue, it can be a full time job working with incompetent dealerships in order to get warranty work done, and lucky for me when I bought my boat in 2015, I did not have a full time job to compete with the time required to get the warranty items fixed.
I'll only rehash for the sake of making others feel better, but I have to say that after a year and a half of non-stop pushing to get the warranty items fixed, I haven't had to get anything fixed on it since. Knock on wood/fiberglass. I hate to paint all dealerships with the same brush, but I'm zero for two.
I originally bought my boat from a dealership in Waco TX because the Houston area dealerships were too greedy and non-responsive. I brought my boat back to Waco (2.5 hr tow) for the first service. They overfilled the oil in my engines (first day on the job for an ex-Seadoo mechanic), but luckily, I checked it before running the boat. There are a few things that I had to re-fix correctly, but the worst one was that one of my rear swim platform cup holders was not draining. They said that they fixed it, and before leaving the dealership, I poured water into the cup holder to see if it was fixed, and it wasn't. So, I showed the service rep who proceeded to "fix" it by jamming a screw driver into the drain hole to "unplug" it. When I got home, I poured water into the cup holder and found that it was draining into the bilge. Root cause was a pinched drain hose, that ended up getting disconnected when the service rep jammed the screw driver into it. So, I fixed it myself.
From there, it was on to my local dealership in Conroe TX. Everything, yes I mean everything, that they "fixed" was never fixed right the first time and took 2 to 5 visits to get them to do it properly. A few times, I just gave up and fixed it myself. I had a leaky boat for a year and a half. Both dealerships that I worked with said "They all leak", but I could not accept that and things eventually got fixed. Since then, my boat has not leaked in 4 years. Not a drop comes out when I pull the bilge plug after a day on the water... and I have to say that because of how things started out with the many leaks in the boat, every time that I pull the plug and nothing comes out... it's kind of a celebration. During one visit, the dealership towed my boat down the highway to take it to the lake for a water test. They towed it with the bimini top deployed and wrecked the top/frame, but they replaced it at Yamaha's expense under warranty.
It's not just Yamaha dealerships though. When I had some warranty work done to my trailer to replace/retrofit the fenders and fender brackets, the Shorelandr-approved dealer just north of Calgary did not do the job correctly. When I went to pick my trailer up after the work was done, as a habit, I checked to see if it was done correctly. As part of the job, they were supposed to replace the original fender brackets with redesigned/beefier ones. Only one side had the new brackets. I asked them if they had any leftover parts from the job and I got a deer in headlights look back, and no answer, so I cut to the point and told them that they only did one side. The answer that I got was "Only one side had a cracked bracket. The other side is fine." So, I explained to them why they needed to do both sides.
So, there's a bit of a silver lining to the whole thing. My boat is great and has been for 4 years, but that's not the silver lining. When I took delivery of my new boat, I had documented that some of the seat cushions had blemishes on them (kinda looked like spider crap) that would not clean off. The Waco dealership told me that they'd check with Yamaha to see if they'd do anything. Well, after a few months of boating, the spots bleached out from the sun. I had no interest in dealing with the Waco dealership ever again, and then about a year and a half later, I get a call from the Waco dealership... "Are you going to pick up your seats?" So, I have a new-in-box captains chair, and a couple new-in-box seat cushions for the cockpit.
There's more to tell, but 'll finish with this last item. When I bought my boat, I had them throw in a flare kit, the kind that comes in a nice case and costs over $100. Well, it turned out that all of the flares in the kit were expired when I took delivery of my boat. The Waco dealership would not replace it nor give me replacement flares that were not expired. Not big bucks, but just wrong.
As they say, misery loves company, so I hope that this post makes many of my fellow jet boaters feel better.
 
Yes @tdonoughue, it can be a full time job working with incompetent dealerships in order to get warranty work done, and lucky for me when I bought my boat in 2015, I did not have a full time job to compete with the time required to get the warranty items fixed.
I'll only rehash for the sake of making others feel better, but I have to say that after a year and a half of non-stop pushing to get the warranty items fixed, I haven't had to get anything fixed on it since. Knock on wood/fiberglass. I hate to paint all dealerships with the same brush, but I'm zero for two.
I originally bought my boat from a dealership in Waco TX because the Houston area dealerships were too greedy and non-responsive. I brought my boat back to Waco (2.5 hr tow) for the first service. They overfilled the oil in my engines (first day on the job for an ex-Seadoo mechanic), but luckily, I checked it before running the boat. There are a few things that I had to re-fix correctly, but the worst one was that one of my rear swim platform cup holders was not draining. They said that they fixed it, and before leaving the dealership, I poured water into the cup holder to see if it was fixed, and it wasn't. So, I showed the service rep who proceeded to "fix" it by jamming a screw driver into the drain hole to "unplug" it. When I got home, I poured water into the cup holder and found that it was draining into the bilge. Root cause was a pinched drain hose, that ended up getting disconnected when the service rep jammed the screw driver into it. So, I fixed it myself.
From there, it was on to my local dealership in Conroe TX. Everything, yes I mean everything, that they "fixed" was never fixed right the first time and took 2 to 5 visits to get them to do it properly. A few times, I just gave up and fixed it myself. I had a leaky boat for a year and a half. Both dealerships that I worked with said "They all leak", but I could not accept that and things eventually got fixed. Since then, my boat has not leaked in 4 years. Not a drop comes out when I pull the bilge plug after a day on the water... and I have to say that because of how things started out with the many leaks in the boat, every time that I pull the plug and nothing comes out... it's kind of a celebration. During one visit, the dealership towed my boat down the highway to take it to the lake for a water test. They towed it with the bimini top deployed and wrecked the top/frame, but they replaced it at Yamaha's expense under warranty.
It's not just Yamaha dealerships though. When I had some warranty work done to my trailer to replace/retrofit the fenders and fender brackets, the Shorelandr-approved dealer just north of Calgary did not do the job correctly. When I went to pick my trailer up after the work was done, as a habit, I checked to see if it was done correctly. As part of the job, they were supposed to replace the original fender brackets with redesigned/beefier ones. Only one side had the new brackets. I asked them if they had any leftover parts from the job and I got a deer in headlights look back, and no answer, so I cut to the point and told them that they only did one side. The answer that I got was "Only one side had a cracked bracket. The other side is fine." So, I explained to them why they needed to do both sides.
So, there's a bit of a silver lining to the whole thing. My boat is great and has been for 4 years, but that's not the silver lining. When I took delivery of my new boat, I had documented that some of the seat cushions had blemishes on them (kinda looked like spider crap) that would not clean off. The Waco dealership told me that they'd check with Yamaha to see if they'd do anything. Well, after a few months of boating, the spots bleached out from the sun. I had no interest in dealing with the Waco dealership ever again, and then about a year and a half later, I get a call from the Waco dealership... "Are you going to pick up your seats?" So, I have a new-in-box captains chair, and a couple new-in-box seat cushions for the cockpit.
There's more to tell, but 'll finish with this last item. When I bought my boat, I had them throw in a flare kit, the kind that comes in a nice case and costs over $100. Well, it turned out that all of the flares in the kit were expired when I took delivery of my boat. The Waco dealership would not replace it nor give me replacement flares that were not expired. Not big bucks, but just wrong.
As they say, misery loves company, so I hope that this post makes many of my fellow jet boaters feel better.
@MrMoose .....unfortunately this has been my experience with just about everything. Had a very expensive cruiser. It had the full Vessel View management system from Mercruiser ($25K). I was bedevilled by crazy temperature readings. I suggested to the dealer - let's look at sensors. $5K of pumps, thermostats etc. later, guess what - a $25 sensor. Meanwhile I had called the Mercruiser tech hot line. They said get a sensor. I called the OEM manufacturer of the sensors to get one shipped express as the engine was in "limp mode" due to the faulty sensor and the boat unusable for express cruising. A company VP said - and I'm almost quoting exactly.....yeah, they fail a LOT - when the sensors were made in the U.S.A. we had a failure rate of 1%, in Mexico of 20% now in Indonesia of 90%. I said 90% failure rate - are you $hitting me? He said, it's still cheaper to throw away 90 out of 100 of them. I said tell that to the manufacturer who spent $5K chasing your crappy product fail. We HAVE to get our manufacturing back to North America!!!!! :cool: BTW @MrMoose I lived in Calgary for a year, a very lonnnng time ago. Where do you boat there?
 
Thanks for the recount, @MrMoose . Do miss you around these parts!

This is why generally I avoid taking my boat to anyone. With the skills at this forum and some of my own fix-it knowledge, usually I can do what is needed myself, less cost, less time, and less down-time -- and know that it is done right the first time. It is simply not worth the grief to do otherwise for me, even when it is 'free' under 'warranty'. And, I, too, get that nice feeling when I pull out the boat and it is bone dry, or the engine starts right up, or I sit on the new seat I put in, etc. Additionally, I have learned about my boat, which gives me added confidence that if something goes wrong out there on the water (either with my boat or someone else I come across), I have a fair chance of fixing it and getting us running again.
 
Oye... reading these stories, and the subsequent comments about flaky electronics in the newer boats makes me cringe. I have no idea what I would do if my boat needed to be replaced. A new 212X in Canada is selling for $78,000 CAD (~$60,000 USD) + 13% tax (depending on province). Not sure who in their right mind would buy a new one of these. Will be gently caressing my 2008 tonight in hopes she's a good girl for a while.
@ncnmra .....guess I got lucky - fingers crossed. My dealer included the OEM trailering cover (very expensive), sold me the OEM Yamaha cockpit and bow covers (incredibly well manufactured) and they paid a local canvas shop to put the snaps on my hull (awesome job by them), got about $8K off the MRSP they showed me (maybe inflated), water ski mirror and extra trailer tire/rim at cost, 5 year Yamaha warranty at 30% off and a good trade-in price for my 2018 SVHO. Now FULL DISCLOSURE - this deal was done right at the beginning of COVID-19 and the local boat show rooms were a desert - NO one in sight. The dealers were panicking that they would be stuck with year old models and the salesmen were HUNGRY. So maybe I got lucky. By the time all the ordered options had been installed and the boat PDI done the situation had flipped 100%. My friend who also had a matching 2018 SVHO to mine went in to deal and got NOTHING - full price for everything - so he walked and bought used. As for my CONNEXT - fingers crossed - it is waaaay better that the RayMarine touch screen or joystick control GPS data system (very expensive) that I had in my big 2016 cruiser. The Yamaha is easy to use, even at 5500 RPM. You touch the screen and BAM - you have what you want. As for buying new, yes you often have to iron-out some glitches, but you get brand new engine(s) drive(s) and if you break them in properly they will run well forever. My friend who bought used has already put $5K into "getting it ready" It still needs new canvas, the tower speakers don't sound right, he didn't get a trailering cover, his trailer needs bearings, some of the seats need re-stitching - how much of this and he is getting reeeeal close to the cost of a new boat but with an older boat? If you get a reputation for looking-after your boats (that I have) you will have people lining-up to buy them when you go to sell them. Like so many things in life one size does not fit all and my reply to many boating (and other) questions is "it depends". :cool:
 
@MrMoose .....unfortunately this has been my experience with just about everything. Had a very expensive cruiser. It had the full Vessel View management system from Mercruiser ($25K). I was bedevilled by crazy temperature readings. I suggested to the dealer - let's look at sensors. $5K of pumps, thermostats etc. later, guess what - a $25 sensor. Meanwhile I had called the Mercruiser tech hot line. They said get a sensor. I called the OEM manufacturer of the sensors to get one shipped express as the engine was in "limp mode" due to the faulty sensor and the boat unusable for express cruising. A company VP said - and I'm almost quoting exactly.....yeah, they fail a LOT - when the sensors were made in the U.S.A. we had a failure rate of 1%, in Mexico of 20% now in Indonesia of 90%. I said 90% failure rate - are you $hitting me? He said, it's still cheaper to throw away 90 out of 100 of them. I said tell that to the manufacturer who spent $5K chasing your crappy product fail. We HAVE to get our manufacturing back to North America!!!!! :cool: BTW @MrMoose I lived in Calgary for a year, a very lonnnng time ago. Where do you boat there?
@Canuckjetboater, I boat in Ghost Lake. It's about a 45 minute drive... glacier-fed, cccccold.
 
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