The Vaccine

[msavold]

Dang! Good idea @tabbibus!
If I play my cards right, I see how that 275E could be much more affordable!

 

[Tgen2013]

News flash :

Judge just suspended the vax requirement for Chicago PD and FD,..................... Momentum is gaining.

If it can be stopped in that LaLa land it can be stopped anywhere. Think about it this way. Alot of you on here have had the luxury of isolating yourselves, or working from home.

All PD and FD have had to be out there in all the filth, they have no luxury of not contacting literally everyone in hostile germ filled conditions. All from the very start with no vax.
Now some will opt to take it, but others (a lot apparently) don't give a dam and don't want to.
If they want to tell you to pound sand, they of all categories have the right to.

M-ERICA !!! Fuuuuk yeah !

 

[Evil Sports]

I guess what really frosts my ass about this thread is, anything posted here that goes against getting vaxd is instantly deemed from an a Non credible source. No matter where it comes from its just not credible and therefore shouldn't be considered as plausible or true.
This coming from my previous infected and then vaxd point of view.
Please dislike this post as it can't be credible.

 

[tabbibus]

I guess what really frosts my ass about this thread is, anything posted here that goes against getting vaxd is instantly deemed from an a Non credible source. No matter where it comes from its just not credible and therefore shouldn't be considered as plausible or true.
This coming from my previous infected and then vaxd point of view.
Please dislike this post as it can't be credible.

I don't think anyone here is saying that. Vaccines like any medicine can have side effects. But it's very clear that her story has red flags.

 

[Evil Sports]

I didn't even watch that video, I'm talking about the previous 100+ pages

 

[tabbibus]

I didn't even watch that video, I'm talking about the previous 100+ pages

My thought stands. I don't think anyone has said that vaccines are without risks. But the risk/benefit equation is quite clear though. In case anyone is wondering, and is on the fence, I just scheduled my kids for shots. So have all my colleagues.

 

[haknslash]

@haknslash do you take any statins for high cholesterol? muscle pain and spasms could be a side effect.

I don’t take any.

 

[Troch1]

My thought stands. I don't think anyone has said that vaccines are without risks. But the risk/benefit equation is quite clear though. In case anyone is wondering, and is on the fence, I just scheduled my kids for shots. So have all my colleagues.

Taking 2 of my kids today for their first Pfizer doses and my 11 and 8 yo’s are legitimately excited! Go science!

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Taking 2 of my kids today for their first Pfizer doses and my 11 and 8 yo’s are legitimately excited! Go science!

I'm excited for you and your kids!

Most kids are back in school and I think this (the vaccine) is the next step is getting things back to a new 'normal'.

Jim

 

[Troch1]

I'm excited for you and your kids!

Most kids are back in school and I think this (the vaccine) is the next step is getting things back to a new 'normal'.

Jim

Absolutely agree, but looking at the vaccination rates for the previously approved 12-17yo population being < 40% tells me this will not be an easy sell or a quick process. All I can do is protect my own kids and continue to encourage others to do the same.

 

[adrianp89]

I'm excited for you and your kids!

Most kids are back in school and I think this (the vaccine) is the next step is getting things back to a new 'normal'.

Jim

Life is damn near normal here in FL with some of the lowest COVID numbers currently.

 

[tabbibus]

Life is damn near normal here in FL with some of the lowest COVID numbers currently.

That's awesome man. Numbers are down here as well. i believe that unless we immunize up, this will just be a cycle again. We need these peaks to be hills, not mountains!

 

[Beachbummer]

I guess what really frosts my ass about this thread is, anything posted here that goes against getting vaxd is instantly deemed from an a Non credible source. No matter where it comes from its just not credible and therefore shouldn't be considered as plausible or true.
This coming from my previous infected and then vaxd point of view.
Please dislike this post as it can't be credible.

I disagree.
The Israeli study showing additional immunity for recently infected has been discussed here and thought of as credible.

I think most folks are looking for data backing claims, and some of those presented that suggested vaccine changed your DNA or did not acknowledge you were way less likely to die if you were vaccinated, do indeed appear not credible (at least to me)

Do you have some specific information you think is valuable and helpful that you think is from a credible source get challenged as not-credible? Do you want to share it?

One of the challenges is folks talk past each other and there is not a clear chance to figure out what exactly is agreed upon and what is not. Instead Insults or smirks come out and we don't have a chance to agree.

I did not see a post for example, from someone who brought up the DNA change as stating..."oh yeah, good call, indeed the vaccine does not change your dna. Oops"

Until we can present these ideas with the intent to share and persuade -and be proven wrong if we are wrong, is hard to see shared understanding increasing.

 

[Beachbummer]

In looking at the progress of the sickness here in Texas, I feel strongly our understanding of how the virus is transmitted is greatly lacking

Most of the state inhabitants have behaved similarly over the last 2 years and the increase and decrease in positive tests does not correlate to any behavior anybody can track.

I feel we are a little like before Pasteur proved life was not spontaneous out of thin air. We are missing something that explains these large peaks and valleys without corresponding behavior changes, I think.

Btw, got pfizer booster Tuesday to my j&j vaccine. So far no side effects.

 

[tabbibus]

In looking at the progress of the sickness here in Texas, I feel strongly our understanding of how the virus is transmitted is greatly lacking

Most of the state inhabitants have behaved similarly over the last 2 years and the increase and decrease in positive tests does not correlate to any behavior anybody can track.

I feel we are a little like before Pasteur proved life was not spontaneous out of thin air. We are missing something that explains these large peaks and valleys without corresponding behavior changes, I think.

Btw, got pfizer booster Tuesday to my j&j vaccine. So far no side effects.

My interpretation has been that things peaked again because of delta. Otherwise we would've been ok. It may be a over simplistic or optimistic way of thinking, lol

 

[haknslash]

Taking 2 of my kids today for their first Pfizer doses and my 11 and 8 yo’s are legitimately excited! Go science!

“For Science” yayyyy

 

[Beachbummer]

Could be, but I can't help to see such wide variations without any real good explanation. Perhaps a small portion of the population is HIGHLY susceptible to new variants? Perhaps exact weather that multiplies the effectiveness of the virus? Perhaps following large gatherings of a super duper spreader? Just the abruptness of the trend does not match. Hopefully as we learn more it becomes easier to grasp.

 

[MidnightRider]

Anyone else getting pretty tired of the growing Science is Truth crowd. Seems when science works out its absolute truth and can do no wrong and when it doesn't work out well... its "evolving and learning". Seems today in mainstream that Science can do no wrong. In my opinion science can do some very serious wrongs and has in the past. We don't know what we don't know but "in science we blindly trust". Of course science is extremely essential in our evolution of learning but the very reality of science is not knowing what it doesn't yet know. Hell, we still don't know and may never know, but science may very well have caused this whole nightmare to begin with. The science tech that created these vaccines is fascinating to me and I really hope it works out in the long run as the amazing breakthrough that it seems. But the hesitancy of some is completely valid and held up by past experiences of science declaring "truth" and "safety" that didn't always play out as "truth" and "safety" in the long run as science learned more along the way as science does. Get the vaccine, give it to your teens, give it to your young children if that is what you think is best but lets allow others to make that same decision and lets stop threatening them if they come to a different conclusion.

 

[Evil Sports]

Anyone else getting pretty tired of the growing Science is Truth crowd. Seems when science works out its absolute truth and can do no wrong and when it doesn't work out well... its "evolving and learning". Seems today in mainstream that Science can do no wrong. In my opinion science can do some very serious wrongs and has in the past. We don't know what we don't know but "in science we blindly trust". Of course science is extremely essential in our evolution of learning but the very reality of science is not knowing what it doesn't yet know. Hell, we still don't know and may never know, but science may very well have caused this whole nightmare to begin with. The science tech that created these vaccines is fascinating to me and I really hope it works out in the long run as the amazing breakthrough that it seems. But the hesitancy of some is completely valid and held up by past experiences of science declaring "truth" and "safety" that didn't always play out as "truth" and "safety" in the long run as science learned more along the way as science does. Get the vaccine, give it to your teens, give it to your young children if that is what you think is best but lets allow others to make that same decision and lets stop threatening them if they come to a different conclusion.

This cant possibly be credible, NFW

 

[Beachbummer]

I think Science is the best we know "NOW". There are many things we don't know.

but let me make the opposite argument...

Skepticism alone for fear of unknown, when we KNOW with data certain things to be true is not cool either. Why would you pass on a vaccine that increases your chance of survival 24X, after it has been administered for 200 million people with no concerning/major side effects? (Not that that's your case, but for whoever thinks that...) You must at least articulate your position in a reasonable way for others. I think "I'm afraid of potential side effects" at this stage is not very reasonable with such as wide distribution. You are free to think it, but other are also free to think that's not a reasonable position, and we can agree to disagree, but at least we understand each other's position.

As of September 24th...
Of the nearly 19,000 Texas deaths attributed to COVID-19 since early February, 119 were fully vaccinated according to preliminary data from the state health department.

Amid a sharp rise in COVID-19 deaths this summer, more Texans under 60 are dying

Health officials say that the state’s high rate of unvaccinated people contributed to a summer surge in hospitalizations, which preceded the spike in deaths.

www.texastribune.org

Again, I think specific concerns can be discussed and learned about. Overly broad statements "We can't trust blindly in science" or "Such and Such is an idiot because he thinks the earth is flat" don't help a whole lot, even if they are true from your perspective.