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Trying to Decide......

@chess, a few more thoughts...
  1. Tow vehicle may make a difference in your length decision too
  2. DO give Eric at Bayside Jet Drive a call - http://baysidejetdrive.net/pwc-yamaha-kawasaki-sales-new-inventory/ (PM or search the forum for Bayside - he gets rave reviews_
  3. for around here, I have two words for you: GALVANIZED TRAILER!
  4. Also, have you seen http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/2015/Yamaha and this http://www.seedealercost.com/products/manufacturer-models/index/id/75/productCategorySlug/boats
    Both are to be taken with a large grain of salt! NADA seems to run lower than market - especially in the summer months, and dealer cost, well, they just don't go to those numbers because they don't get the "holdbacks", incentives, and carrying support that car dealers get. (A couple independently told me that they have to carry each boat for 6%...)
 
I'd def recommend the 21' as well! You won't think it's a big difference but it's HUGE! Don't buy a new boat and after summer wish it was a tad bigger.
 
Folks here can definitely provide much more detailed reasons as to why you should consider used, but as someone that has always bought new, here's my reasoning to consider used.

The systems on these boats are extremely easy. I am NOT mechanically inclined by any means, but because of the highway robbery the dealers charge for maintenance, I've learned through manuals and this website on how to do just about everything. If I were to buy another Yamaha, I would definitely buy used!

As for size, if you ever plan on taking it into the Chesapeake, get the biggest boat you can afford. Getting caught in a storm with a 19' boat ain't much fun.
 
To @Shuck Water 's point - I boat in the upper Chesapeake and I would completely agree with him. Running around the bay in a 19 footer will leave you wet on some days.

Another big difference that I haven't seen mentioned between the 21 and 24's is the freeboard. (hull height) The 24's have a much higher freeboard than the other sizes and this will keep you markedly drier and enable you handle larger seas.

I've boated in the Potomac going from Fort Washington up into DC for the 4th of July (Must do if you have a boat in the area!) and let me tell you, its get realllly choppy from the large boat wakes. My 242 made short work of the giant wakes coming back after the fireworks were over at the monument.

Do not be intimidated by a bigger boat, its hard to grasp but it will work out in the end.
 
@chess go for 21' or 23' used, go for power save your $ for modifications. I bought a used sx230 late last summer and LOVE it.

Call Eric at bayside jet drive, I bought my boat from him sight unseen last summer over the phone and drove to MD to pick it up.
 
I agree on a 21 footer. When I bought mine, I thought I wanted a 21' and a boating buddy said I should get a 24'. Good call there. Whatever size you think you want, go up one. And yes, get the AR.

I totally get the desire to have YES or a warranty. Got one myself, just for safety and with it being my first boat, etc. However, now having one, these boats are so simple, if you have any mechanical skills, you can probably take care of the little things (plugs, oil, etc.) yourself and generally you don't have too many problems after that. So, I am not saying don't get it, but consider not getting it and don't overvalue it.

Dealers generally won't deal on new too much, unless you get a last-year's model. You will get them to throw in a cover or a Coast Guard kit (life vests, anchor, a couple dock lines...) or an extra battery. But don't expect the price to come down much or at all.

And as to storage, I have a storage-shed-type place where they have tractors and valet down to the ramp. So my boat lives on its trailer out of the water, but I can still get it popped in pretty easily without needing a buddy to help drop it in. It works very well for my use profile. Do you have one of those types of places?

It seems like everyone says a 21 footer :) So I guess I should look at those now LOL.....

Yup I am pretty hands on, use to do all the regular mainantence for my car, but now that the dealer takes care of it, heck just take it to them to do is the way I see it LOL....

I dont know honestly if its one of those storage-shed type places.. I live right near Solomnos Island, MD which has tons of marinas..... I just know not many marinas around here have actual "lifts" that I can rent.... which would be nice to just have to drive and boom put it in... but like I said Im not paying 3k+ lol
 
I bought my AR210 last summer. I suggest you go to dealers or boat shows and get on the boats. I thought I wanted an AR190 until I got on it. It seemed really small to me (no offense to you guys that have one). After climbing on the boats at the boat shows, I really wanted an AR240 as the big 24 boats are nice, but you are going to pay big bucks. I ended up with an AR210 for few reasons. 1) as first boat didn't want to overspend my $$ for something I wasn't sure how much we would use. Turns out we are using it a lot. 2) my Honda Ridgeline is pretty maxed out with AR210. If I would have went with AR240 I would need bigger tow vehicle and thus the $$ issue again. 3) couldn't justify an extra $10K for a 212X just to have bigger motors, stainless steel cup holders and two ballast bags. I will say the AR210 has done everything I have wanted it to and has done it well (tubing, wakeboarding, kneeboarding.)

I will tell you with just me, wife & 2 kids the AR210 has plenty of room. But get 2 families on there and you feel like rats backed in a box, climbing all over each other. There is always someone in the way of something.

But given all this info, my wife says to me during our last outing, "you really should have gotten the bigger boat. It was only 10 grand more." :confused: This after she didn't want any boat to begin with.

Come next winter/spring if you are still shopping shoot me a PM and see if I'm ready to buy that bigger boat yet. I may make you a good deal on a nice 2014 AR210 with lots of upgrades (see tag below).

Good luck in your searches.
Josh

@mrmeaniemeateaterman I agree... I plan on hitting a few boat shows this year to check them out.. My buddy has a 190, and I saw where its a little cramped but at the same time, if you bring less than 5its okay, but who likes an odd number LOL
My tow vehicle is a Eddie Bauer edition Ford Explorer 2008. I think I saw there rating is 3500 lbs... I am with you on the $ figure as well !
 
As everyone else said, but as big as you can afford first. I have a 24' boat and never have o wished I went smaller. If they made a larger boat I'd be upgrading! The more room the better when out on the water.

I bought Yamaha because I wanted to buy reliability. If my warranty wasn't included there is no way I would have paid for it. Most never use it. Some it has saved. Others Yamaha has refused to cover under warranty. I don't like to gamble and if I thought there was a decent chance of this boat needing more than $3k in repairs in the first five years I wouldn't have bought the boat. Again, I think Yamaha is extremely reliable and that's why it has earned my business since the early 90s.

The only thing I have to add is the only mod that in my opinion is a must. These boats need some type of plug locks. Cobra EZ locks are cheap insurance and they work. Mine were installed before my boat even hit the water.

@Skysurfer2010 Thats an interesting take :) i will say that... Correct I wont pay for the YES, but I will glady take it if the dealer throws it in ya know !. I think if you do your maintenance correctly you wont ever have a true issue !
Looks like the ez locks are a necessity :) I am sure I will have a few things purchased before I even buy the boat LOL... sad but true :)
 
1) I am looking at a new AR192. I figured that between me, my son, g/f, and parents that's plenty.
Hmm. When we started looking, I was going by the oft quoted axiom "buy your second boat first" and was looking to the bigger boats while my wife was leaning towards the smallest. That ended when we saw three of them side by side (at the OC boat show). IMO, hard to spread out 5 on the 19' - and remember that you WILL have friends that want to go too, starting from your son's, so your 5 is now 6 or 7. Like others have said, you really should look at the 21's and the 24's. (As I'm sure you know, a big part of the difference in usable space between the 21 and 24 is the head, or storage, compartment, not just 3' extra seating space as one might expect by the length difference.) I'm guessing you've seen the overhead shots and feature comparisons in this thread? https://jetboaters.net/threads/differences-between-the-newer-4-cycle-yamaha-jet-boats.29/

2) If I do look used, what would you suggest. My son and I love the water, so tubing and eventually wakeboarding would be ideal.
We went with an SX240 because of all the low bridges where we boat. A tower to raise/lower would be a PITA (2015s are much easier than the previous ones but still...). That said, if it weren't for the stupid bridges I would have bought a boat with a tower in a heartbeat. If you're considering wakeboarding, I think you'll find lots of confirmation here that a tower is the way to go. That's true new or used. (How old is your son BTW?)

3) The reason I am looking at new, is the warranty, to me that's HUGE, granted I will take a huge hit when I buy new, but that's something I need suggestions/opinions on
As you know, we were able to find a 2012 with three years of YES on it so I would not necessarily make that your sole criteria for the new/used decision... New boats come with one year - unless there is some sort of boat show special (which happens often it seems - see 4 - but will NOT happen now until the fall. There are plenty of (used or new old stock) boats available with warranty. CALL YES with the hull number [866-YES-EXTD (866-937-3983)] and confirm that everything is good to go as far as they are concerned. There was a problem with the registration on the boat we picked - and in the end it worked out very much in our favor.

4) Will Yammy dealerships deal at all ? I haven't ever bought a boat new, but I have haggled with salesmen over cars ?
Ummm, not exactly! There's lots of info on here (example: https://jetboaters.net/threads/what-kinda-deals-are-people-getting-on-15s.4424/) but basically there's little or no movement (again, seems to depend on time of year) on the base price BUT they discount or throw in "extras". (Different from a lot of the other boat manufacturers where you see "show specials" like "MSRP $90,000, show price $60,000"

5) I am torn on this one, Do I look for a marina that has a lift, and pay the 3k they want *OUCH* or do I just carry it to and fro ?
There are tons of public ramps around my area, so that's a benefit.
Where are you thinking of boating again? How far is it from home to water?
We're still waiting for the permit for our lift (sigh...) and the novelty of going to the ramp is wearing off quickly. (Last time I got into an argument with four teenagers that insisted on crabbing and standing on the damned boat ramp!! And, according to them, all I had to do to not run them over is to "learn how to back up the f'n trailer". (For the record, I have threaded trailers into spaces mere inches wider than the trailer - so it wasn't the trailer that was worrying me!)
The tradeoff to having the boat on a lift instead of your driveway at home is that it won't be around for you to modify during the season!


6) When storing in the winter, I planned on just getting it wrapped, covered and leaving it at my buddies house.
How big of a no no is this ? Do you suggest a climate controlled area ? My place I live at now I don't have a garage, so that's an issue
That was my thought too - snow load not a big factor around here, boats are easy to winterize...
But then I found out that shrink wrapping is about $12/ft or about $275 to $300. And OCMD pointed me in the direction of a place nearby where we boat that does inside storage for $90 a month. for 5 months, that's $450 - and to me the extra $150 is worth it. (NB: I've heard prices from $70 to $120...)


7) What are any suggestions you may have to a "beginner" at a jetboat, but have been in the jetski business for over 10+ years.
"Beginner" too so I'll defer to the "pros" on here. That said, it's a BIG and MUCH more powerful jetski! ;) All I can say is that I have NOT found it as difficult as some.

8) What are MUST HAVE mods :) thats always a good one, I know you guys will burn $ in my pocket LOL
Step one, IMHO, is to replace the factory trailer roller - whether you buy new or used, and even if you only use the trailer to tow it from where you buy it to the marina - with a Stolz roller. That POC will make a mess of the bow of your boat in no time. Plug locks. And then a keel guard if you ever consider beaching the boat (I would think it would also protect the keel if you use a floating lift. Of course there is the fin/no fin debate. (Beyond that - this site can cost you hundreds, if not thousands is essential mods!

9) What exactly does the YES cover ?
http://www.yamaha-motor-yes.com/docs/Yamaha_YES_Highlights_color.pdf
Note: the most common failure point seems to be the audio system - and it's not covered! (In any case, most people here will tell you that the best thing to attach to the stock radio head unit is an anchor rode...)

10) Any tips/tricks you can suggest
Other than reading all sorts of stuff on jetboaters.net? :winkingthumbsup"

Looking to keep it at around ~35k
Ah THAT is easy! That's about $5k above our target for used and we ended up with a pristine, warranted, inspected, low time 2012 SX240 (after a lot of hunting). A quick look on BoatTrader tells me that for that budget you can get a new 2015 AR192, a 2014 AR210 (both zero time), or a 2012 AR240 (such as http://tinyurl.com/npc59z2 for example) but that option may involve some driving! (2011, OTOH, easier to do but harder to find with warranty).


@msavold WOW tons of awesome and great info.. .I may exchange some PM's with you... you arent to far away in Columbia... Id love to check your boat out if you dont mind :)

Id like to really make it ~30k if I can.... I have to pay taxes on this thing I believe in MD, I am not sure how that works... if its like a car or what. I have already gotten some ROM's of the boat insurance.. which is rather cheap for what they were quoting me.

Looks like a few must have mods... the Stolz roller, ezlocks, and the keel guard... good stuff to me :)

I agree with you.. snow usually isnt bad... I prefer to keep it indoors if possible, but its almost impossible LOL... I dont want to pay those kind of fees, if I have a cover and have it properly winterized :)
 
I get the appeal of a warranty, but honestly you're looking at spending a lot of money for that piece of paper. The likelihood of having several thousand dollars worth of repairs is pretty low. Why not just put the money that you'd otherwise spend on the warranty in the bank. That way, if you need it to fix your boat it's there...if you need it for something else, it's also there!

@OrangeTJ Great point, and it seems like alot of folks are sticking with there guns saying Y.E.S isnt really "necessary"
 
I would call holly acers in wood bridge they have good deals on 2014 selling at cost almost I just picked up 2015 LS love it 3 weeks and got 12hrs. I live on potomic by the power lines MD side send me text with ur no if u need help. Good luck

Thanks
Ravi

@ravi4l Funny thing is I actually looked at Holly Acres... were they dealing them at all ? I know they are pretty local, living down in SoMD, its probably faster to goto fredericksburg, but regardless... I will be in touch definitely !!!
 
No slip rental required! No, this is literally a storage shed, big enough to fit the boat. I pull in, load up the boat and call them. They come with a tractor--no, a real tractor (like from the farm), with towing balls on the back, pick up the tongue of the trailer and tow it the 2 blocks or so (on their own property--just long enough for me to put up the tower, prep the rest of the boat) down to their private boat ramp and drop me in the water. They put the trailer to the side while I play. When I come back, I call them up, they come down, get the trailer, I put the boat on and they back my boat into the shed. I lock it; I keep the key.

Really all very simple, actually.

Wow interesting... if you dont midn me asking @tdonoughue how much is that roughly a year ?
 
@chess go for 21' or 23' used, go for power save your $ for modifications. I bought a used sx230 late last summer and LOVE it.

Call Eric at bayside jet drive, I bought my boat from him sight unseen last summer over the phone and drove to MD to pick it up.

@mark_m wow ive never heard of these guys... I am checking it now out I may shoot you a PM... just so I can reference you as a buyer when I call Eric when I am ready to pull the trigger. It looks like their pricing is pretty darn nice as well

Thank you sir !!
 
...thus my recommendation!
 
@ravi4l Funny thing is I actually looked at Holly Acres... were they dealing them at all ? I know they are pretty local, living down in SoMD, its probably faster to goto fredericksburg, but regardless... I will be in touch definitely !!!

Holly Acres has a brand new 2013 AR240 Leftover in stock.... I would assume they would be willing to make a deal on it and you could get it for close to 42,000 brand new, not positive, but speculating.....

I would use this one as a bargaining chip....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2014...OWN-/161724001864?hash=item25a7806e48&vxp=mtr
 
@mark_m wow ive never heard of these guys... I am checking it now out I may shoot you a PM... just so I can reference you as a buyer when I call Eric when I am ready to pull the trigger. It looks like their pricing is pretty darn nice as well

Thank you sir !!
Happy to be reference! Eric has a great setup at bayside at the ocean city location. Take the boat on a sea trial in the intercostal.

Go for used, go for power and save for mods! Keep us in the loop on your experiences
 
Happy to be reference! Eric has a great setup at bayside at the ocean city location. Take the boat on a sea trial in the intercostal.

Go for used, go for power and save for mods! Keep us in the loop on your experiences

@mark_m good stuff man... I know he probably will have more in the winter months, and its dead out in OC during that time LOL... But I have plenty of time... granted the boating season is just underway here well about a month ago or so, but still.
I am just looking for the right price, right time, etc... I am sure you understand my view !
 
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