WOW this car sounds amazing.

[2kwik4u]

This car just sounds amazing.

That 4.2L V8 from Audi just sounds so great with an aftermarket exhaust. Just need to convince the wife to get a Durango, and I would sell my truck TODAY to buy that car.

 

[adrianp89]

Sounds nice, but nothing beats the HellCat whistle with the v8 roaring.

 

[thefortunes]

I'll try to listen as I pull away from you with any one of my Teslas.

 

[NewBoater]

I'll try to listen as I pull away from you with any one of my Teslas.

Tesla’s are lightning from a stop but past 75 up into the 100’s he’s smoking you in the upper speeds. Not that anyone goes that fast lol

 

[thefortunes]

Tesla’s are lightning from a stop but past 75 up into the 100’s he’s smoking you in the upper speeds. Not that anyone goes that fast lol

Lol. From accelerationtimes.com
RS4
0-60 4.3 seconds
0-120 15.0 seconds
1/4 mile 13.3 @117mph

My Model 3 (not even close to the fastest Tesla)
0-60 3.4 seconds (I've run 3.0)
0-120 14.5 seconds
1/4 mile 12.7 @118mph

So, no.

 

[adrianp89]

Lol. From accelerationtimes.com
RS4
0-60 4.3 seconds
0-120 15.0 seconds
1/4 mile 13.3 @117mph

My Model 3 (not even close to the fastest Tesla)
0-60 3.4 seconds (I've run 3.0)
0-120 14.5 seconds
1/4 mile 12.7 @118mph

So, no.

I have a Model 3 performance, above 70-80mph it’s ok. It is definitely does not install the confidence that a 0-60 run does. I would put money on a RS4 at 75-120 over a Model 3 performance. In fact your numbers seem to confirm that.

Also, I truly miss the v8 sound. While the Tesla is fun and lightning quick, it is no where as mean and put a smile on your face fun as our old Charger.

 

[thefortunes]

I have a Model 3 performance, above 70-80mph it’s ok. It is definitely does not install the confidence that a 0-60 run does. I would put money on a RS4 at 75-120 over a Model 3 performance. In fact your numbers seem to confirm that.

Also, I truly miss the v8 sound. While the Tesla is fun and lightning quick, it is no where as mean and put a smile on your face fun as our old Charger.

The numbers confirm it is "smokin the Tesla in the upper speed" as the post claimed?

The Tesla is still trapping higher at 118 vs 117 in the 1/4 mile.

Must all be between 118 and 120, lol.

 

[2kwik4u]

Lol. From accelerationtimes.com
RS4
0-60 4.3 seconds
0-120 15.0 seconds
1/4 mile 13.3 @117mph

My Model 3 (not even close to the fastest Tesla)
0-60 3.4 seconds (I've run 3.0)
0-120 14.5 seconds
1/4 mile 12.7 @118mph

So, no.

Those numbers actually prove out @NewBoater s claim pretty concisely. Im gonna guess you haven't spent much time around a drag strip.

Look at the ET in the 1/4 then look at the trap speed. Tesla comes out of the gate faster (thus the lower ET) but only has 1mph on the RS4 at the same distance. The RS4 is behind by 0.9 sec at 30, 0.5 sec at 120, and only that 1mph in trap speed. The RS4 is making up ground in a hurry by the end of a 1/4mile track. I can't find standing mile times currently, but I'd bet a frosty barley pop that the RS4 covers the mile more quickly than any Tesla of your choosing.

ET is typically an indication of traction and low end power while trap speed is a larger indication of horsepower. Ever seen a a 150mph trap speed with a 14.5ET? Lots of Supras have that problem. Likewise, I've driven a Syclone that will run a 11.99@116mph. terrible terrible top end power, but launches harder than a Tesla.

I went and checked Nurburgring lap times. A race prepped Model3 did it in 7:46. The stock B7 RS4 is found did it in 7:58. 12 seconds difference over 3.1mi. Keeping in mind the RS4 is 14yrs old at this point, I'd say thats a helluva showing.

Even if the RS4 is marginally slower in the first 1/4mile you drive it, or slightly faster around a road course, it's such a completely different vehicle, you're rarely going to cross shop the two. Ones an appliance that happens to perform well, the other is a performance that requires you to interact with it.

You don't buy a Tesla to be a driver's car, and you don't buy an RS4 for it's driver aids or tech. The sound, the shifting, the feedback from the hydraulic steering, the nonlinear power band. That RS4 has more character than all of Tesla's models combined, and you'll know and feel you're in something special as soon as you turn the key. The Tesla just feels like a whole bunch of solutions looking for problems.

 

[adrianp89]

The RS4 gains almost half a second from 60-120. The Tesla will start losing its pull soon after 60, chart this to 75, and it’s pretty clear. It is what it is, and it’s why Porcshe uses a 2 speed transmission in their electric car.

Nothing to be ashamed of, the model 3 is one of the quickest cars ever made and probably the quickest ever under 60k.

 

[thefortunes]

The RS4 gains almost half a second from 60-120. The Tesla will start losing its pull soon after 60, chart this to 75, and it’s pretty clear. It is what it is, and it’s why Porcshe uses a 2 speed transmission in their electric car.

Nothing to be ashamed of, the model 3 is one of the quickest cars ever made and probably the quickest ever under 60k.

The numbers don't make sense, but the 3 is still TRAVELING FASTER AT THE 1/4 MILE AT 118 vs 117.

It is not " getting smoked" nor is the RS4 even making up ground at the end. 118 is faster than 117. LOL.

 

[2kwik4u]

The numbers don't make sense, but the 3 is still TRAVELING FASTER AT THE 1/4 MILE AT 118 vs 117.

It is not " getting smoked" nor is the RS4 even making up ground at the end. 118 is faster than 117. LOL.

The RS4 is very much so making up time on the big end.

Let's have a little thought experiment. If it's behind by 0.9sec at 30mph and behind by 0.5sec at 60mph and behind by 0.1sec at 118mph at what speed would you expect the RS4 to overtake the Tesla? Perhaps we should plot those points and look at the line generated by each and calculate the intersection of those lines?

This isn't opinion, or conjecture. It's math.

 

[adrianp89]

The numbers don't make sense, but the 3 is still TRAVELING FASTER AT THE 1/4 MILE AT 118 vs 117.

It is not " getting smoked" nor is the RS4 even making up ground at the end. 118 is faster than 117. LOL.

if both cars started racing at 75mph, the Tesla is getting beat pretty easily. I’m not sure why this is confusing lol

 

[thefortunes]

The RS4 is very much so making up time on the big end.

Let's have a little thought experiment. If it's behind by 0.9sec at 30mph and behind by 0.5sec at 60mph and behind by 0.1sec at 118mph at what speed would you expect the RS4 to overtake the Tesla? Perhaps we should plot those points and look at the line generated by each and calculate the intersection of those lines?

This isn't opinion, or conjecture. It's math.

LOL, the RS4 definitely (per the numbers) made up 0.4 seconds between 60 and 120.

BUT IT IS STILL GOING SLOWER ATTHE QUARTER MILE. That either says it was made up and then lost it's advantage, or the entire difference was made up earlier.

Since you seem challenged, here's the data:

​	Time to Speed​	​
Speed​	RS4​	Model 3​	Gap​	Who's Faster​
10​	0.7​	0.5​	0.2​	Tesla​
20​	1.3​	0.9​	0.4​	Tesla​
30​	1.8​	1.3​	0.5​	Tesla​
40​	2.5​	1.8​	0.7​	Tesla​
50​	3.3​	2.5​	0.8​	Tesla​
60​	4.3​	3.4​	0.9​	Tesla​
70​	5.7​	4.8​	0.9​	-​
80​	7.6​	6.7​	0.9​	-​
90​	9.6​	8.9​	0.7​	Audi​
100​	11.7​	11.0​	0.7​	-​
110​	13.5​	13.0​	0.5​	Audi​
120​	15.0​	14.5​	0.5​	-​

7.4 secs vs 7.8 secs 80-120. If that's "getting smoked" then what is 3.4 secs (which really isn't 3.4) vs 4.3 secs 0-60?

And you KEEP IGNORING that the Tesla is TRAVELING FASTER at 118 vs 117 at the 1/4 mile which infers that the next category (120-130) would fall to Tesla.

 

[2kwik4u]

Or, it hasn't caught the tesla yet at the end of the 120mph stretch. Just because it's still behind doesn't mean it isn't gaining ground.



The trendline represents average acceleration over speeds measured. Y axis is ft/s^2 (acceleration), X-axis is ft/s (speed). You can CLEARLY see that as speed increased the Teslas (orange line) acceleration drops off faster than the RS4's (Blue line). If you wanted to set those two equations equal to each other you would find the point where the RS4 would catch the Tesla. From that point forward the RS4 would be ahead and would be reaching those speeds "faster" than the Tesla.

 

[thefortunes]

Or, it hasn't caught the tesla yet at the end of the 120mph stretch.

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The trendline represents average acceleration over speeds measured. Y axis is ft/s^2 (acceleration), X-axis is ft/s (speed). You can CLEARLY see that as speed increased the Teslas (orange line) acceleration drops off faster than the RS4's (Blue line). If you wanted to set those two equations equal to each other you would find the point where the RS4 would catch the Tesla.

LOL thanks for putting out a graph that supports the Tesla accelerating faster throughout the ENTIRE range, but since that is incorrect you need to check your data.

That is clearly not the case as shown above as the Audi is faster between 80-90 and 100-110mph.

P.S. Tesla has a higher top speed 162 vs 155 (both limited).

 

[2kwik4u]

LOL thanks for putting out a graph that supports the Tesla accelerating faster throughout the ENTIRE range, but since that is incorrect you need to check your data.

That is clearly not the case as shown above as the Audi is faster between 80-90 and 100-110mph.

It's the AVERAGE ACCELERATION.....AVERAGE......

The point here is that the RS4 WILL catch the Tesla on a standing mile. It is making up ground the entire way. The Tesla launches hard, and then looses steam. It DOES NOT accelerate (gain speed) as fast as the RS4 at higher speeds. Neither car is limited to 120MPH, so your data DOES NOT cover the ENTIRE range. It covers a specific range.

Notice that the Tesla and the RS4 are accelerating at an almost identical rate at the end of our data set. Were we to extrapolate that out and continue the trendlines, you would find the RS4 catch and surpass the Tesla. Most likely before the end of the 1/2 mile.

 

[thefortunes]

I'm done with this pissing contest.

I responded to the crack that the Audi would "smoke" the Tesla with data that says otherwise.

Any other conclusion is ludicrous (pun intended).

 

[2kwik4u]

I'm done with this pissing contest.

I responded to the crack that the Audi would "smoke" the Tesla with data that says otherwise.

Any other conclusion is ludicrous (pun intended).

Your data doesn't say otherwise. Any other conclusion is....well.....wrong. Being bad at math doesn't make you right.

 

[thefortunes]

Your data doesn't say otherwise. Any other conclusion is....well.....wrong. Being bad at math doesn't make you right.

Lol, bad at math.

Wanna compare your (degree?) to my PhD in Econ and Masters in math?

JFC you are clueless.

Is this like when you claimed that the Cyclone was faster than the Model S?

P.S. it's not "my data." That's not how this works.

P.P.S You can't extrapolate out acceleration trendlines past known data. That also doesn't work. Heard of aerodynamics?

 

[adrianp89]

Just race already you two.