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Thoughts and demo rides of wake / towsports boats: Moomba Max, Axis A22, MB Sports

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Just somethin' about that tower that I never found appealing on the Axis boats. A few on the lake I regular during the summer.
 

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Just somethin' about that tower that I never found appealing on the Axis boats. A few on the lake I regular during the summer.
The tower on the Axis is a PITA to fold down. It requires you to unscrew 4 locking screws plus you have to slide the captains chair all the way forward and swivel it to the side otherwise when you fold in the side support plates of the tower it would lay on top of the seat and eventually wear out the fabric or cut it entirely. The tower is not counterbalanced either so it's heavy with speakers on it as well. I liked that the Moomba was counterbalanced and it has a single locking lever or pin on each side (no screws or bolts). It was also of a higher quality than the Axis A2 tower.

Got the demo booked for 10am Saturday. Weather should be clear skies and in the low 70's so I'm looking forward to it. I'll bring the GoPro and do a similar video like I did with the Moomba Max.
 
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The tower on the Axis is a PITA to fold down. It requires you to unscrew 4 locking screws plus you have to slide the captains chair all the way forward and swivel it to the side otherwise when you fold in the side support plates of the tower it would lay on top of the seat and eventually wear out the fabric or cut it entirely. The tower is not counterbalanced either so it's heavy with speakers on it as well. I liked that the Moomba was counterbalanced and it has a single locking lever or pin on each side (no screws or bolts). It was also of a higher quality than the Axis A2 tower.

Got the demo booked for 10am Saturday. Weather should be clear skies and in the low 70's so I'm looking forward to it. I'll bring the GoPro and do a similar video like I did with the Moomba Max.
Envious. Low 50's up here and I'm gonna celebrate!

On a serious note, cool that your documenting the boats you are testing/giving a go prior to making the jump (at all) into the v-drive world. Gives us others eyeing a switch something to watch.

Feel like too often I talk to someone on the lake why they chose the brand boat they did (name a v-drive brand) they can't really explain other than the fact it was the top of the line at the dealership they chose to visit.
 

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Envious. Low 50's up here and I'm gonna celebrate!

On a serious note, cool that your documenting the boats you are testing/giving a go prior to making the jump (at all) into the v-drive world. Gives us others eyeing a switch something to watch.

Feel like too often I talk to someone on the lake why they chose the brand boat they did (name a v-drive brand) they can't really explain other than the fact it was the top of the line at the dealership they chose to visit.
Yup and that is exactly why I'm doing it. It's hard to find walk through videos of a v-drive boat and translate that experience relative to our jet boats. In some areas I'd dare say Yamaha had a better interior than the Axis, specifically around the helm. You'll see what I mean when I post the video after the demo. There is just so much better they could have done with less that it kind of amazes/baffles me they chose to go with so much plastic and molds when they could have done such a cleaner execution like other boats using fiberglass and gelcoat. Glad to offer the info as I crawl over these boats. i have no idea which boat i'll end up with in the end, it may even be an older used boat for all I know but rest assured I will document it :D
 

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Guys, the Axis wave is no freaking joke! Working on the video now and will post later on. It was a beautiful day to be out on the water and the metalflake just pops with this scheme.

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What was kind of funny but also a little awkward was when we pulled back into the marina I spotted the Moomba Max and the same salesman I was talking to a few weeks back at Skiers Marine o_O :D. He was putting in as we were pulling out. He definitely recognized me :D.

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Like I said the wave is no joke, especially on the port side! The GoPro really distorts the perspective but I'm telling you this thing looked like a monster wave in person! Wave was long, had a sweet curl with a nice lip at the back and it looked like it had tons of power and push. I'm going to break it down into two videos like I did for the Moomba. One just raw audio while we go over some of the things about the boat and another that's just a surf wave edit to give you an idea of the wave this things can make. We filled all the hard tanks, plug-n-play bags and dropped the wedge putting out near 4300 lbs of ballast. I'd say the wave was 3-4 ft tall but it's hard fore you to tell unless you were there and I had a person back there surfing for size reference. As nice as the Moomba Max was on the inside, it simply did not put out a wave like the surf gate system did.

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What was kind of funny but also a little awkward was when we pulled back into the marina I spotted the Moomba Max and the same salesman I was talking to a few weeks back at Skiers Marine o_O :D. He was putting in as we were pulling out. He definitely recognized me :D.
Perhaps some bargaining power
 

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How did storage compare to the Max or even the Craz? Just trying to put it into perspective since I have looked at the Axis in person.
 

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The Max really is all about storage hence the name. It's much taller freeboard allows for super deep storage. Once I post the video you'll see we check on the bags once full in the rear lockers and with the 850 lb bag full you still have about 10" of storage space above the bag. With the Max's 900 lbs bags you probably had 15" or more above the bag if that helps put it into perspective how much deeper it is in the Max. I havent checked out a Craz really up close yet aside from the boat show so I can't really compare it.
 

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Here's the surf wave edit video. Sorry for the pixelation artifacts. It's on YT's end as I have tried uploading multiple bitrates to no end.

 

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When you come off plane with with over 2 tons of ballast!!!...

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Alright so here is my review of the Axis A22 and how it compares to the Moomba Max now that I've demoed and crawled over both. I made a near 20 miute long video with no music, just the saleman (Tyler) and myself going on about the boat and enjoying life on the water. I kind of let the first impressions speak for itself in the video...



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If you don't have 20 minutes to spare on a boat vid I understand so here's the TLDW version with pics..

Pulling into the marina at 10:30 am....

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That blue flake sure does look good and pop off that black. I did this scheme and had built one similar to it on Axis's website where you can virtually build your boat and color it how you like....

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Now going back, initially when I went and looked at the Axis boats a week ago I left a little unimpressed nameplate because of the plastic in some areas of the boat. As a whole they're just not as nice as the Moomba boats when it comes to interior finish. The amount of plastic had me concerned it would rattle on the water and the gauge cluster takes up a good chunk of real estate when looking out of the drivers seat. The Moomba Max has the offset dash which really frees up your line of sight which is important when surfing as the attitude of the boat is up in the air. Both of the boats have a flip up bolster and the Axis was a bit better. It was not only sturdier but it was more comfortable. I felt like I could drive for a long time on the bolster and it not make my butt sore or back hurt. The seat in the Axis was comfy as well with or without the bolster up. No problems there...

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Visibility wasn't the best as this boat had a PTM mirror mounted right in front of me but if it weren't in the way i wouldn't have an issue seeing. The Axis also has a windshield that doesn't wrap all the way around. Personally I like this as you can easily grab a dock sitting in the seat plus it gives an unobstructed view to the sides. The angle of the windshield is pretty aggressive and slopped back. It took a little bit to get used to but over time it was nothing to note about.

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What I really liked about the Axis seat was the metal side swivel and slide mechanism. On the Moomba and Yamaha boasts you have a paddle that is under the front of the seat. This can be kind of a pain to get to especially if you're not tall or have long arms. When I drive these boat and also my boat I often times like to unlock the swivel and set the seat about a 30 degree facing into the center of the boat as it's just more comfortable to stretch out and you can turn around to check on the rider if you need to without breaking your neck. So a good swivel design is a nice feature to me that I use often. You can see the mechanism below....

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Another seat I like in these boats is the pullout rear "skybox" bench . The 2018 boats are on rails rather than just like a table leg you manually pull out but either way it's nice seating area and saves you from stepping on the cushions...

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So let's discuss the plastic a bit more. Like I said when I first looked at these boats I was not a fan of the plastic and I still do not prefer it to simple gelcoat and fiberglass. BUT....these are indeed price point boats. There will be sacrifices made to all of the brands in this price segment no matter which model or brand you choose, something will give from the big brother brands. That's just the truth and for Malibu to Axis they have clearly decided to put the value in the performance of the boat than into the interior in some areas. Not all of the areas on an Axis feel or look cheap. In fact most of the boat looks great on the inside and feels of quality much higher than my Yamaha. So yes there is plastic on the Axis but to be honest all of that kind of went away the second we pulled off from the dock. None of the plastic panels were shaking around like I had feared they might. None of it was really on my mind other than hearing how quiet yet at the same time throaty the engine sounded :D. Here are some images of the helm and plastic areas I was speaking of. Not the ugliest but you can tell this is where Malibu decided to save some money rather than fancy stitched dashed or color matched cockpit speaker areas. Not a deal breaker at all just that it's not as nice as some other boats in this price segment. A lot of it could be dressed up by an owner and I think stainless cup holders would be a good start. The rear cockpit speaker areas had plenty of cup holders and it was tall enough to hold my large Propel water bottle to give you an idea of size.

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Going back to when I looked at the boat at the dealership I mentioned the soft touch controls were broken and hanging down. Tyler said he personally fixed this after I left so that it would be good to go for the demo. Happy to report it felt snug and worked flawless. It felt very nice to the fingers than toggle switches. Not sure how it would hold up to UV over the years so that's kind of a concern and the soft touch pads are relatively new.

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This A22 was equipped with the Monsoon 409 6.0L by Crusader engine. The boat also had the upgraded 15" 2272 prop which is needed if you want to use a lot of ballast for surfing. It cuts down on the top speed a little but gives you a lot of torque out of the hole and helps you plane easier. It has a nice, deep and throaty sound but not too loud that you can't have a conversation at cruising speed. The Moomba Max with it's Indmar 6.2L Raptor motor was a bit stronger for sure but it was also much louder, especially when you laid into it. The Moomba would be very hard to have a conversation without yelling if hauling ass where as the Axis seemed to just purr away while still having plenty of power. Removing the plastic heat tray on the Moomba Max was kind of a pain and took two hands and almost a third hand because of its cutout around a gas strut where the Axis was simple and comes out with one hand. Here's a shot of the engine.

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Storage space on the Axis is pretty good. The rear lockers were optioned up with 850 lb aumo sacs on top of the subfloor hard tanks. It's nowhere near as deep as the Moomba Max was but then again no boat really is. The Max is in a class by itself in terms of shear storage depth in any compartment. The bow bag on the A22 sits below the front middle bow seat, so that space shouldn't be used for any storage. When you fill the front bow bag all the way up it will almost want to push the cushion up a hair, so yea no storage there but I believe under the two bow seats there would still be storage. I forgot to check to be sure but I don't think the front bow bag wrap around and under the side cushions. The A22 did not have the bow back rest that can flip up to access the helm storage which is a shame as that is a really nice thing to be able to grab stuff from storage while sitting in the bow. Here's a pic of the rear locker when we first started filling the bags. I'd say it had about 100 lbs in it at this point to give you an idea of space...

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And here is the same locker but with filled 850 lb bag. You still had some room for vests, gear and such plus you have the heating tray over the engine for ropes, towels or whatever...

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so does it surf and how does it stack up to the Moomba Max? Well here to tell you all that money saved on the interior of the A22 apparently went into developing a hull and surf system because the wave this boat threw out was so much better than the Moomba! The starboard side was as clean, which is something I've noticed with a lot of these boats and it has to do with the prop rotation according to the salesmen I've spoken with. It's still big but just not as defined curl or lip. It would need to be adjusted with different speed to clean it up a little. We were in the 10.8 mph range I think using cruise control. Surf Gate system really does do delayed convergence as opposed to the trim tab type surf systems using the bottom running surface to change the flow of water. I was worried the boat would pull real hard while driving with the surf tab out like it did on my boat using my DIY surf gate but happy to report the Axis held a straight line. In fact you can let go of the wheel and walk around the boat while surfing and the boat still tracks straight! It has a huge fin under the hull where the Moomba had two smaller tracking fins.

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Another really cool feature of the Axis was the surf wrist strap which allows you to control boat speed, surf side and tower speaker volume...

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In the end I hope you watched the videos as it shows the waves this thing makes! If you didn't watch it then just know that this was a thing threw a nice wave. Next boat up to look at is the MB F21 Tomcat but that's for another time ;)

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Just out of curiosity did you ever look at an X20? I realize it’s a totally different price point, however I’m just curious on how deep it is compared to the Max. As I was shocked with the depth of the X20’s.
 

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@OrangeTJ does your trailer tongue fold behind the bow of the boat? I've read some MB's can fit in a 7' garage and 21' depth because some trailers once folded in certain years did not extend beyond the boats length. We only have one MB dealer in the entire state so there is not a lot of dealer support. The dealer is at Smith Lake which is an hour from me. I plan to go check out the MB boats next, namely the F21. Would love to know the dimensions of your boat / trailer length and height to top of boat with tower folded.

@SCP1 I haven't really looked at MC because of the boats I would like they are just way out of my price range.
 

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My tongue fold just about even with the bow. It is important to note that the stated length of these boats does not include the swim platform. Thus, my F22 is actually very close to 24 overall. Here is a pic of the boat on the trailer and the trailer by itself and another thst is a closeup if the tongue hinge. For reference, truck is a ram 2500. FYI - I am soulsurfer on WW.
 

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Ah so you are soulsurfer :D. Was going to ask you on there if you were from here once I saw you mention your Yamaha.

I was reading earlier on an MB forum about garages and ran across a thread that said the 2012's were marketed and made to fit within a standard 7' garage. They look much larger on the pics. Only MB's I've seen in person is from the boat shows. Planning on taking a trip sometime on a weekend to go see them at the one and only dealer in the state lol. I watched a factory video on their boats and didn't realize how nice they are built. I tried to use the boat customizer today to spec out a boat and it's nuts how much you can customize it with gelcoat and interior design.

Btw I really hate how the WW forum is setup. Can't edit posts after 10 mins, image resizer is all messed up and Chrome tells me it's not secure. I had to contact the admin through the FB page just to get my account activated. But...it's a good place to read up and learn, I just wished their forum software wasn't ancient.
 
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Agree the WW software is rough! Regarding MB - they are pretty simple, no frills boats with high build quality and excellent wakes and waves. You won’t find a bunch of doodads and gizmos, no gimmicks. Just solid, built to order, high value boats. In my opinion, they are what Axis should be. If you are thinking 21, definitely look at the B52 21 in addition to the F21. Personally, I like the B52 in that size more than the F21. Of course, I prefer the F22 to either but it may be a bit much for your garage...and you might totally disagree anyway!
 

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So today I drove a little over an hour away to Jasper, AL to check out some MB Sports boats at Nelems Marine. I had glanced at these boats very briefly at the boat show earlier in the year but I never crawled inside them or looked at them up close. These boats have pretty cool attention to detail! Every emblem, trim piece, bezel anythug that looked metal was actually metal! The screws are all countersunk and machined. Not some Phillips heads everywhere! The tower folds inside the boat and to lock it you turn a machined aluminum round piece, no clamps or bolts. The attention to detail really kind of blew me away when you compare this boats to others in the same price point. It makes an Axis look like it's made by Fisher Price. All of the wiring in the engine area and storage was hidden. The stereo is all Exile. All of cockpit speakers were 8" lol. The sub is behind the drivers seat and is in a potted enclosure and not just a free air sub thrown in a hole like the Moomba and Axis had. Supposedly the stereos rock on these bots but we didn't turn it on. Very clean engine bay with beefy metal bracing. The storage areas were not as deep as other boats but still adequate, I'd say about the same depth as our Yamaha boats. Rear locker storage was deep and looked to hold some big bags plus a little room left for gear and crap. Engine was the Raptor 400 by Indmar which was the same in the Moomba Max I demoed, so I know power is not an issue.

These boats have gravity filled hard tanks that fill 2800 lbs (I think) in a minute. The plug and play bags are pump fed but they are gravity draining into the hard tanks which is an awesome and clever idea as it means they will drain fast! I think this boat in total had around 3600 lbs of ballast. The hull is freaking beautiful!! It has a very deep V from front to back and these boats are known to ride very well in rough chop. The shape is much more than the flat bottom of the Axis and semi V on the Moomba Max. I am going back once the water warms up and he's going to take me out on the boats and surf behind them. He has sold Mastercraft, Tige, and has sold MB for the last 10 years and he says the MB boats really are a great boat for the money.

They are made in California and I think he said only about 300 or so made a year. He said the owner of MB is a huge aviation buff and will not make a boat to cut corners and you can really tell in the attention to detail. All of the billet aluminum and stainless trim is machined in-house as is the steering wheel I think he said. Hell even the outside logos are machined metal and held in by bolts and nuts, not plastic and 3M tape like most boats! The toggle switches were all billet aluminum and very nice to use, very positive feeling if you know what I mean. These don't have all the latest electronic dash surf do-dads and touchscreens to go bad but they are built for simplicity and function over flash and bling. The v drive access was incredible as well and much larger than any other bits I've seen. I nean it looks like you can actually service this boat without being a contortionist lol.

Thanks @OrangeTJ for helping me out with the forum stuff and info on these boats. Can't wait for it to warm up now!!

Really digging the F22 Tomcat...

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These two pics were from a B52 but better angles of the dash to give you an idea of the amazing machined metalwork...

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I’ve got no interest in a wake boat.

But i got to say that the tomcat boat is pretty nice looking. That axis blue flake bost on the other is pretty damn ugly.
 

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He gave me a price of the F22 Tomcat and it was cheaper than the Axis :D. The build quality, fit and finish is far above an Axis. I'd dare say the quality and finish is near the same level as the top of the line boats like Centurion. The storage compartments all have rolled edges. Just tons of attention to detail even where most customers would probably never look is there on the MB boats. There is even a stainless deck drain which I don't even recall seeing a deck drain on the Moomba or Axis. I'm sure there is one but maybe below the carpet. On the MB it's an actual nice machined stainless drain. Yea it doesn't have as much storage as the Max but then again the Max doesn't have 2800 lbs of subfloor hard tanks either. It's also much nicer and sleeker looking than the Max. At this point Axis is off my list despite the massive surf wave.
 
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