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Does anyone use the newer explorers to tow a 24ft jetboat

Discussion in 'Yamaha AR240, SX240, 242 Limited / S / X/ E-Series' started by virgil, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. 2kwik4u

    2kwik4u Well-Known Member

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    I 100% agree I don't think that the Trailblazer is a fair comparison to the Q7 in terms of capability in real world usage. It was rated at 6,800lbs though, so by the book it should have "done just fine" at only a 900lb rated capacity deficit.

    It's really hard to communicate to "not car people" how things like brakes, chassis, suspension, auxiliary coolers, and things like that add up. 4 piston calipers on a 13.5" rotor on your Q7 are going to stop SIGNIFICANTLY better than the dual piston 11" rotors on my old SS. But the tow rating says otherwise right? Those are the kind of things that are hard to quantify and explain I've found. So your experience and my experience that are both "close to the limit" are significantly different. Another piece of anecdotal evidence that flies around the internet and is super hard to justify.

    This is the big reason why I like the SAE verified tow ratings. They level the playing field with a set of standardized tests that are "real world" based, and help quantify some of these things that are so hard to explain. It was really interesting when that SAE testing was first released some years back. Minivans jumped in capacity, and full-size pickups took a dive. Get the marketing department out of the mix and it's amazing where the ratings went :D
     
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  2. robert843

    robert843 Jetboaters Admiral

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    This is still a tough category to under stand for a lot of people especially with domestic vehicles as most think that you can go pick up an explorer and tow 5000# but that is way off. There are 9 different transmition configurations on the 2017 ford explore and only 3 that will tow 5000#. All three of those configs only get an EPA 16 city /22 hwy mpg at that point you may as well get a pick up. Also you have to step into there top two tiers of Explorers to get that package as it is not offered in the XLT or Limited package so a base explorer starts at $31,000 and the starting price of an Explorer with the towing package rated at 5000# starting price is $45,000 which is a huge jump. I have purchased several Lincoln Navigators now all used and I fell victim to not knowing the one I had before my current one had a class 3 hitch on it so I thought it had the towing package which would have rated it at 9200# but I found out later that wasn't the case and it was only rated I think for 6000#. When I bought my next one I called Lincoln before the purchase and had them run the vin to make sure it had the correct towing package. I would recommend calling the vin into a dealer before any used purchase anymore as there is very little you can tell by the eye to make sure the vehicle is actually rated what you think it is.
     
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  3. Betik

    Betik Jet Boat Junkie

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    @virgil this is a bad place to ask for towing vehicle advice. These guys ( and gals) made me trade in a 3 month old Honda Pilot last November, LOL.
    Now that I am done with the disclaimer let me put a new spin on this....

    How about you get a Toyota yaris or Nissan versa for your commute and just keep your truck.!!!? Statistically speaking that is the 2nd cheapest option. You do not want to buy a $40K machine ( or $80K if your have @swatski's budget) to save 10mpgs. The math does not work out.

    Speaking of math, if you are just trying not to spend unecessariy money, I would just drive your truck until the wheels fall off ( or it can no longer tow the bow).
     
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  4. DieselCamel

    DieselCamel Jetboaters Lieutenant

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    +1 for a tdi I have made 5 trips from NC to S. FL all with out issues if you don’t count tires. Touareg does a great job. Getting 12-14 towing depending on speed and 30 not towing. You can’t beat the comfort either. 09E10026-7147-4FEF-A5F4-C96B344EE01A.jpeg
     
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  5. Jp127

    Jp127 Member

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    Friend of a friend had an Explorer. When he was pulling his fishing boat out of the lake, on a steep ramp, people had to lay on the hood so he could get traction. He only had the 2wd setup.

    Just some extra food for thought. I'd also go with the Durango.
     
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  6. blacksapphirez

    blacksapphirez Jet Boat Addict

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    I had an opportunity to tow with a GLE350(short) and a GLS550(long 3 row seat) on a two separate occasions and it doesn't feel good towing.

    full size truck for me for comfort and confidence in towing.
     
  7. stever40

    stever40 Jet Boat Lover

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    Year:
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    242 Limited S E-Series
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    I will tell you I had a 2016 Explorer Platinum. The vehicle has enough power, stopping is fine however I will tell you I did it for 3 months and traded to a full size SUV. My problem was I bought the car before the boat. I also, have my boat on a lift so towing was limited.

    Can it be done? Yes. Should it? No, not for a boat that size. You will find yourself completely max on weight every time you take it out. As several have said on this site....make sure you have about 20% extra capacity.

    As for the WDH, Equalizer makes one however the dealership has told me that hitch mounted to the receiver is what they mean by WDH. You need to get the right angle to move the tongue weight to be in check as well. Ex. 5200lb towing capacity with 500lb tongue weight max.

    Search the forum, you will see several threads on this. I will try and find and link the posts I have made.


    https://jetboaters.net/threads/some-advice-on-hitch.8155/
     
  8. Dan_NC

    Dan_NC New Member

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    Yamaha
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    2017
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    242X E-Series
    Boat Length:
    24
    I haven’t seen anyone call out the GMC Canyon/ Chevrolet Colorado with the baby (2.8L) Duramax yet; figured I would throw in my 2 cents. It has 7600 lbs towing in the 4x4 model (7700 in 4x2) leaving plenty of room for towing a 24’ boat. The canyon is what I have currently, although I just stepped up to a 242x from a 192. I am already looking to trade for a full-size truck, which has nothing to do with towing capacity. It is a great truck with plenty of torque (love a diesel) but do not overlook the physics involved when you mismatch a truck to its trailer size. Wheel base is very important in towing, with longer being better. I am not really as concerned about the weight as I am with having a boat, dare I say, twice the physical size of the truck. The stability, or atleast the perception of stability, provided by a larger truck makes towing more confident and comfortable; mainly feeling planted in the truck. The wind resistance, inherent trailer sway, and lack of visibility make the ride less than comfortable. I haven’t had a single issue braking, especially with the engine brake. However, something about feeling like the rear wheels are going to come off the ground on a railroad crossing makes me really uneasy. If the boat/trailer was the same weight but half the physical size, I would keep the Canyon hands down. It is a great little truck which, like the TDI, provides fuel economy and towing capacity. I would keep this hands down over the explorer though.
     
  9. Ancient canoe

    Ancient canoe Jet Boat Lover

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    So pretty much every tow rating published is with the asterisk requires a weight distributing hitch, yet very few people actually tow with one. Is that just the manufacturers going into CYA mode or is it something people should be doing?

    As for the rest don't purchase a new tow vehicle that is under the needed capacity and don't purchase a new vehicle to chase MPGs.
     
  10. 2kwik4u

    2kwik4u Well-Known Member

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    It's something that people should be doing. The shorter the wheelbase the more important it is IMO.

    Also, GCVWR (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating) is what should be considered, not rated tow capacity. That is the total weight of the entire setup including people and cargo. EVERYTHING is based off that number, including the axle weight ratings, and the towing capacity.
     
  11. smack

    smack Jet Boat Lover

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    Limited S
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    Before I parked my 24 in a marina, I towed with a Q7 - barely knew there was a boat back there and never any issues getting up the ramps. Great tow vehicle for anyone wanting a semi-luxury 7 seater that can pull a 24.
     
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  12. Beachbummer

    Beachbummer Jet Boat Lover

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    I had terrible reliability on my VW Eos and like to keep cars a long time if they behave.

    Our pilot has had zero issues to 140k miles, then asked for an alternator.

    Tdi touareg or q7 look great on paper. What can you share in terms of long term reliability?
     
  13. DieselCamel

    DieselCamel Jetboaters Lieutenant

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    2015 Touareg only issue so far has been DEF heater. Covered under warranty. Pushing 50k. Only con I can think of is. Touaregs like tires. Burns a little oil between oil changes if you tow a lot. Normally < 1qt. Per 10k
     
  14. smack

    smack Jet Boat Lover

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    Q7 are also tire eaters though once I switched from the Pirellis they came with to a set of goodyears I got better life out of them.
     
  15. Bryan mazanec

    Bryan mazanec Active Member

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    Year:
    2016
    Boat Model:
    VRX
    Boat Length:
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    My .02, had a 2016 explorer with the eco boost 3.5. It did okay hauling my 24’ chap but struggled on the hills in North Carolina. Purchased a grand Cherokee Hemi and noticibe difference, but not so much in fuel economy running at 70 to 75, but there was a fee mpg difference around 40 to 50mph
     
  16. Wr3ckdiver

    Wr3ckdiver Member

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    2014
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    SX
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    Eh, rather just keep my Toyota Tundra, no problems towing anything. Even towed a 20ft trailer with 10000lbs of household goods from California to Florida with no issues even though I exceeded the rating.
     
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  17. Adrian242

    Adrian242 Member

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    Yamaha
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    2015
    Boat Model:
    Limited S
    Boat Length:
    24
    When it comes to any of the newer 24' I wouldn't want to use a any SUV over long hauls. Its just going to burn it out over time. Not worth it. Don't even bother with the mid size gmc, chevy canyon etc.
    f150 or comparable imo.
     

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