Not to continue beating a dead horse but....

[rrmidden]

@Quad Agree Completely. The one side effect that I and my colleagues at different companies are seeing, is that since companies now understand that they can utilize remote effectively and how to actually do it, it opens up the possibility of hiring in areas where the salary requirements are less. 90k in California vs 90k in Northern Wisconsin is two different things. This could have an negative affect on compensations in higher areas, while infusing cash into other geographic areas that didn't previously have that availability. I believe, without a doubt, it could hurt local salaries and economic considerations in higher priced markets. It also, I am sure, will enable companies to explore off-shore and overseas more. It will be interesting to see how all this unfolds over time.



Yes, we have staff who prefer to come in. Personally, I prefer a nice mixture for myself. 3 days or so on site. That is assuming the Admiral doesn't kick me out of the house, since she is 100% remote. Oncology Medical Biller, she works great in her home office, and apparently I annoy her when I am home all day......

I will gladly move up to our Lake House in Northern Wisconsin for 90k, it still be a pay cut, but one that I could probably live with! My wife and I have talked for a couple of years now about finding different jobs either up north or remote jobs anywhere really. Our one caveat is, we're willing to take a pay cut, but we don't want to work the same 50-60+ Hours a Week for less money. Work 25-30 hours a week for 1/2 the money? Sure, no problem. But 50-60+ hours a week for even 75%-80% of the salary doesn't honestly seem worth it.

 

[Quad]

I will gladly move up to our Lake House in Northern Wisconsin for 90k, it still be a pay cut, but one that I could probably live with! My wife and I have talked for a couple of years now about finding different jobs either up north or remote jobs anywhere really. Our one caveat is, we're willing to take a pay cut, but we don't want to work the same 50-60+ Hours a Week for less money. Work 25-30 hours a week for 1/2 the money? Sure, no problem. But 50-60+ hours a week for even 75%-80% of the salary doesn't honestly seem worth it.

We had a similar discussion when we moved from SF Bay Area to Maine... we both took a pay cut but the quality of life tradeoff can't be matched with any level of compensation. We joke that we live in our vacation home year-round. Many of our weekender neighbors stayed up here through the winter, some are considering selling their NH and MA houses/condos and making the shift permanent. Admiral and I were leaders in the trend

 

[kgower]

We had a similar discussion when we moved from SF Bay Area to Maine... we both took a pay cut but the quality of life tradeoff can't be matched with any level of compensation. We joke that we live in our vacation home year-round. Many of our weekender neighbors stayed up here through the winter, some are considering selling their NH and MA houses/condos and making the shift permanent. Admiral and I were leaders in the trend

Trying to plan something similar ourselves.

 

[the MfM]

 

[Quad]

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Here’s the thing. I have lived in CA and IL, and almost everyone I know that has left or plan to leave come from myriad different backgrounds and lifestyles and often are looking for a place that shares their values. Some want a slower pace of life or just a different set of natural amenities.

Sometimes the move works, sometimes it doesn’t and they return home.

There is much nuance.

Here’s the thing. I have lived in CA and IL, and almost everyone I know that has left or plan to leave are on the red-end of the spectrum looking for a place that shares their values. Sometimes the move works, sometimes it doesn’t and they return home.

Then there are the few that have so much money that it doesn’t matter and they’re looking for tax loopholes. Those are a different breed entirely and also tend to skew red.

 

[buckbuck]

Easy guys. We try to steer away from politics here.

 

[Quad]

Easy guys. We try to steer away from politics here.

Sorry, I probably crossed a line there.

 

[kgower]

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Sad but true.