Tow Vehicle Dilemma...

[2kwik4u]

Yeah, JD Power isn't valid. As I said, the conventional wisdom is that Toyotas are more reliable. You claimed they were, but are no longer. Would be up to you to provide data other than that which is purchased by said manufactures.

Then what data is valid?

JD Powers is acceptable, you just think it's not based on, from what I can tell, a single opinion piece.

Here's a pretty decent review of how JD Powers works. Interesting that they use Toyota dependability as an example, then go on to say you should use the result with a grain of salt. They also confirm that automakers have to pay to use the awards in marketing. To be clear the results are still independent of the payments.

How Consumers Should Use J.D. Power Ratings For Car Shopping

J.D. Power’s annual car studies are conducted for automakers but still hold useful information for consumers planning to purchase a new or used vehicle.

www.forbes.com

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Found the above with the search "Is JD Power Trustworthy". It was the top result.

Here is the top result for "Is JD Power Garbage"

JD Powers is a scam

One day, long ago, JD Powers started loudly announcing companies who had won their prestigious and rather made up*** ‘JD Powers Award’. (editors Wikipedia note: company started in 196…

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Here's the top result from "most trustworthy car reliability data"

https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2021/11/consumer-reports-new-annual-auto-reliability-data-reveals-safest-bets-and-riskiest-choices-among-new-vehicles/

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I had a lot typed out here. A novel worth. Fuck it, I'm out. It's just not worth it.

 

[AZMark]

The Great Toyota Ruse must be up.....behind domestic trucks by ~6:1 according to this article. Guess people are buying the higher quality domestics instead.

Toyota Tundra Sales Outpacing Every Pickup Truck from Detroit

Still, though sales of the all-new, full-size, off-road-ready truck from Toyota are up, a sizable gap with domestic rivals remains.

www.autoweek.com

Or, you know, sales price and volume could, just maybe, not be the best indicator of quality. I dunno, just thinking out loud here.

I wonder how many light pickups the US and state governments buy a year. Equal to Tundra sales? Less? More?

 

[BlkGS]

Worth mentioning, a friend of mine once said "Tundras ain't real trucks, thats why they're called TOY OTAS, they're Toys not trucks!".

I hope this adds to your discussion

 

[Ohio]

More durable could be better - at the same price point.

Joseph Juran defined quality as "fitness for use"- "An essential requirement of these products is that they meet the needs of those members of society who will actually use them. This concept of fitness for use is universal. It applies to all goods and services, without exception. The popular term for fitness for use is Quality, and our basic definition becomes: quality means fitness for use."

Thus, if a $100 Ryobi tool meets ones requirements it is a quality product. If one is a contractor and a $200 Milwaukee tool meets their requirements it is a quality product. If one is a contractor who buys a tool that does not meet their requirements (to save a few bucks - maybe with a cheaper $100 Ryobi tool) that's on the contractor.

Jim

I certainly agree that the average homeowner doesn't "need" to buy contractor grade tools. When I was a contractor I did buy them. But now that I'm not, I have no issue buy something like Ryobi. Of course as has been mentioned, with cordless, you become married to a brand based on the batteries.

 

[Ohio]

I wonder how many light pickups the US and state governments buy a year. Equal to Tundra sales? Less? More?

Agree. "Fleet" vehicles, would rarely be anything other than domestic brands.

 

[Ohio]

Then what data is valid?

JD Powers is acceptable, you just think it's not based on, from what I can tell, a single opinion piece.

Here's a pretty decent review of how JD Powers works. Interesting that they use Toyota dependability as an example, then go on to say you should use the result with a grain of salt. They also confirm that automakers have to pay to use the awards in marketing. To be clear the results are still independent of the payments.

How Consumers Should Use J.D. Power Ratings For Car Shopping

J.D. Power’s annual car studies are conducted for automakers but still hold useful information for consumers planning to purchase a new or used vehicle.

www.forbes.com

.

Found the above with the search "Is JD Power Trustworthy". It was the top result.

Here is the top result for "Is JD Power Garbage"

JD Powers is a scam

One day, long ago, JD Powers started loudly announcing companies who had won their prestigious and rather made up*** ‘JD Powers Award’. (editors Wikipedia note: company started in 196…

iamcorrect.wordpress.com

Here's the top result from "most trustworthy car reliability data"

https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2021/11/consumer-reports-new-annual-auto-reliability-data-reveals-safest-bets-and-riskiest-choices-among-new-vehicles/

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I had a lot typed out here. A novel worth. Fuck it, I'm out. It's just not worth it.

The 2 issues with JD Power are that people pay for the results and probably more importantly they only judge the initial purchase. There is no long term data like what Consumer Reports uses. I only provided that one particular link, to what is common knowledge about JD Power.