Tow Vehicle Dilemma...

[adrianp89]

You can pooh-pooh Ryobi all you want, but I have been very pleased with my Ryobi lawn tools. My mowers (upgraded to a 20" brushless from my 4 year old 13" mower - only replaced it as the old one was to small for trimming around the new house), blower, and weed wacker have all worked flawlessly over the last 4+ years.

Jim

I’d argue my Ryobi tools are more reliable than a Toyota

 

[Neutron]

You can pooh-pooh Ryobi all you want, but I have been very pleased with my Ryobi lawn tools. My mowers (upgraded to a 20" brushless from my 4 year old 13" mower - only replaced it as the old one was to small for trimming around the new house), blower, and weed wacker have all worked flawlessly over the last 4+ years.

Jim

When it comes to Ryobi vs Milwaukee or similar comparisons, ryobi or similar while is great for the homeowner and will last pretty long for you. A contractor who uses this stuff every day will stay away from it for the most part. I see guys buy it when they start up but end up getting the more expensive brands because they just don't hold up to the constant use in daily work conditions

 

[2kwik4u]

When it comes to Ryobi vs Milwaukee or similar comparisons, ryobi or similar while is great for the homeowner and will last pretty long for you. A contractor who uses this stuff every day will stay away from it for the most part. I see guys buy it when they start up but end up getting the more expensive brands because they just don't hold up to the constant use in daily work conditions

I did Voice/Data cabling installation for a few years. We ran DeWalt everything.

Just like iPhone vs Android, once bought into an ecosystem it was hard to stray away from it.

I have some Ryobi stuff at home. Most notably a 4stroke weed eater/blower thing. On season 8 of using with zero issues. Lives under the deck all year and always starts first pull. Have done quite literally ZERO maintenance on it. Aside from sounding like I'm carrying around a go cart, it's been great for me.

 

[2kwik4u]

My feelings are hurt? lol I'm not sure where you could get that. It is well known that JD Power rankings are not impartial. Manufacturers pay for them. Not to mention they are all about how reliable a vehicle is in its infancy.

I was going off the tone of your writing, not the content.

Aside from paying for Consumer Reports data, I'm open to other sources of reliability data. Please share if you have some, would be interested to see what else is out there?

 

[adrianp89]

I was going off the tone of your writing, not the content.

Aside from paying for Consumer Reports data, I'm open to other sources of reliability data. Please share if you have some, would be interested to see what else is out there?

 

[AZMark]

You can pooh-pooh Ryobi all you want, but I have been very pleased with my Ryobi lawn tools. My mowers (upgraded to a 20" brushless from my 4 year old 13" mower - only replaced it as the old one was to small for trimming around the new house), blower, and weed wacker have all worked flawlessly over the last 4+ years.

Jim

Wasn’t pooh-poohing anything
They are great for the price. They aren’t as good as Milwaukee though if you’re a professional or something. I’ve had a few break, HD has been good about warranty.

 

[Ohio]

I was going off the tone of your writing, not the content.

Aside from paying for Consumer Reports data, I'm open to other sources of reliability data. Please share if you have some, would be interested to see what else is out there?

I'm not paying for CR either. We know what the historical reliability is. You even admitted that in the past there was a difference. It would seem to fall to you to prove your theory with data.

 

[Ohio]

I did Voice/Data cabling installation for a few years. We ran DeWalt everything.

Just like iPhone vs Android, once bought into an ecosystem it was hard to stray away from it.

I have some Ryobi stuff at home. Most notably a 4stroke weed eater/blower thing. On season 8 of using with zero issues. Lives under the deck all year and always starts first pull. Have done quite literally ZERO maintenance on it. Aside from sounding like I'm carrying around a go cart, it's been great for me.

Sure they are fine for home owners. Contractors require something better. Again, I guess if Milwalkee isn't better, and they cost more, contractors must be morons. Seems unlikely.

 

[BlkGS]

Ryobi tools are probably good enough for most people. I went Milwaukee based on their best in class impact gun for working on cars. Unfortunately, with battery operated tools, you're pretty much locked to one brand unless you are gonna spend a LOT of money on multiple battery platforms.

 

[2kwik4u]

It would seem to fall to you to prove your theory with data.

I have, you didn't like my data. Balls in your court.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Sure they are fine for home owners. Contractors require something better. Again, I guess if Milwaulkee isn't better, and they cost more, contractors must be morons. Seems unlikely.

The definition of Quality usually includes a product meeting the specifications and requirements of the customer. It should take into account aspects such as pricing and costs in comparison to the products of competitors.

I would offer that both the Ryobi AND Milwaukee tools meet this quality standard. The Ryobi tools meet the need for most home owners and the Milwaukee tools (more durable and expensive) meet the need of contractors. The Milwaukee tools are not necessarily better, but meet a different set of requirements than those of the DYI'er.

Jim

 

[2kwik4u]

The definition of Quality usually includes a product meeting the specifications and requirements of the customer. It should take into account aspects such as pricing and costs in comparison to the products of competitors.

I would offer that both the Ryobi AND Milwaukee tools meet this quality standard. The Ryobi tools meet the need for most home owners and the Milwaukee tools (more durable and expensive) meet the need of contractors. The Milwaukee tools are not necessarily better, but meet a different set of requirements than those of the DYI'er.

Jim

Agree.

I design industrial machines across a wide range of industries. We have medium, heavy, and extra heavy duty. Our pharmaceutical customers don't get the same build as our foundry customers. Different design criteria, and workload in general. Likewise, the customers that need really light duty, they get sent across the street because we can't (and don't want to) compete in that market.

 

[BlkGS]

The definition of Quality usually includes a product meeting the specifications and requirements of the customer. It should take into account aspects such as pricing and costs in comparison to the products of competitors.

I would offer that both the Ryobi AND Milwaukee tools meet this quality standard. The Ryobi tools meet the need for most home owners and the Milwaukee tools (more durable and expensive) meet the need of contractors. The Milwaukee tools are not necessarily better, but meet a different set of requirements than those of the DYI'er.

Jim

Technically, the pricing and costs are immaterial to quality. You might set a high dpmo or similar target for a lower cost product, or reduce the screening and testing done, but cost is not a factor in quality usually. No manufacturer has said "let's not make this one as well because it's a low priced product".

Where cost comes into play is design. You design it to use cheaper materials and components, you design your process to be sloping but faster, things like that.

Semantics, I get it, but working in manufacturing I had to point it out.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

I agree.

Pricing and costs are a reflection of the customer's needs, requirements, and expectation of the product. Going back to the Ryobi/Milwaukee example, the higher price of the Milwaukee tool is justified by the contractor having different needs, requirements, and expectations, and the design and build of the tool to meet those expectations. The average DIYer may have a different set of needs, requirements, and expectations. If both sets of customers expectations are met, then both manufacturers have built a high quality product for their customers, albeit at two different price points.

Jim

 

[2kwik4u]

The Great Toyota Ruse must be up.....behind domestic trucks by ~6:1 according to this article. Guess people are buying the higher quality domestics instead.

Toyota Tundra Sales Outpacing Every Pickup Truck from Detroit

Still, though sales of the all-new, full-size, off-road-ready truck from Toyota are up, a sizable gap with domestic rivals remains.

www.autoweek.com

Or, you know, sales price and volume could, just maybe, not be the best indicator of quality. I dunno, just thinking out loud here.

 

[Ohio]

I have, you didn't like my data. Balls in your court.

Yeah, JD Power isn't valid. As I said, the conventional wisdom is that Toyotas are more reliable. You claimed they were, but are no longer. Would be up to you to provide data other than that which is purchased by said manufactures.

 

[Ohio]

The definition of Quality usually includes a product meeting the specifications and requirements of the customer. It should take into account aspects such as pricing and costs in comparison to the products of competitors.

I would offer that both the Ryobi AND Milwaukee tools meet this quality standard. The Ryobi tools meet the need for most home owners and the Milwaukee tools (more durable and expensive) meet the need of contractors. The Milwaukee tools are not necessarily better, but meet a different set of requirements than those of the DYI'er.

Jim

I guess if being more durable doesn't make them better then you would be correct.

 

[Ohio]

The Great Toyota Ruse must be up.....behind domestic trucks by ~6:1 according to this article. Guess people are buying the higher quality domestics instead.

Toyota Tundra Sales Outpacing Every Pickup Truck from Detroit

Still, though sales of the all-new, full-size, off-road-ready truck from Toyota are up, a sizable gap with domestic rivals remains.

www.autoweek.com

Or, you know, sales price and volume could, just maybe, not be the best indicator of quality. I dunno, just thinking out loud here.

Toyota has never come close to the volume of domestics.

 

[Neutron]

Toyota has never come close to the volume of domestics.

The big 3 have had 100 years of truck production to gain brand loyalty and fleet contracts. Not to mention the customers that buy a certain brand because "my parents and grandparents had a certain brand" mentality. I would be curious on what brands survive the next 75 years when the mass produced automobile hits 200 years.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

I guess if being more durable doesn't make them better then you would be correct.

More durable could be better - at the same price point.

Joseph Juran defined quality as "fitness for use"- "An essential requirement of these products is that they meet the needs of those members of society who will actually use them. This concept of fitness for use is universal. It applies to all goods and services, without exception. The popular term for fitness for use is Quality, and our basic definition becomes: quality means fitness for use."

Thus, if a $100 Ryobi tool meets ones requirements it is a quality product. If one is a contractor and a $200 Milwaukee tool meets their requirements it is a quality product. If one is a contractor who buys a tool that does not meet their requirements (to save a few bucks - maybe with a cheaper $100 Ryobi tool) that's on the contractor.

Jim