Yamaha vs. Chaparral - trying to decide...

[Shuck Water]

Not the 1.8's, those Yamaha numbers are from the previous engines. Haven't been used in the 212x since 2010.

 

[Shuck Water]

Numbers on the 1.8s in the 212x

RPM MPH Knots GPH MPG NMPG Stat. Mile NM dBa
1650 4.0 3.5 1.6 2.5 2.2 113 98 72
2000 5.2 4.5 1.9 2.7 2.4 122 106 75
2500 6.0 5.2 2.4 2.5 2.2 114 99 78
3000 6.9 6.0 3.3 2.1 1.8 95 82 78
3500 7.6 6.6 4.4 1.7 1.5 78 68 76
4000 8.7 7.5 5.9 1.5 1.3 67 58 75
4500 10.6 9.2 7.3 1.5 1.3 66 57 79
5000 24.6 21.4 9.6 2.6 2.2 115 100 85
5500 30.3 26.3 10.8 2.8 2.5 127 110 85
6000 45.2 39.3 20.9 2.2 1.9 98 85 84
7400 50.8 44.2 24.2 2.1 1.8 95 82

 

[Neutron]

Now that makes more sense

 

[swatski]

Chaparral Boat Test DB numbers (twin 250Hp engines)
RPM NM KM KPH LPH KPL dBA
1700 197 365 7.90 3.79 2.06 78
2000 216 399 8.50 3.79 2.25 76
3000 99 183 11.90 11.55 1.03 84
4000 78 143 14.00 17.22 0.81 76
5000 119 219 37.80 30.47 1.24 82
6000 100 185 55.20 52.81 1.05 89
7000 78 143 70.70 86.87 0.81 91
8000 63 117 90.30 136.46 0.66 94

Yamaha 212X Boat test DB numbers (twin 160hp engines)
RPM NM KM KPH LPH KPL dBA
1600 47 85 5.00 9.84 0.50 72
2500 79 145 7.70 9.08 0.85 74
3000 83 154 9.00 10.22 0.90 75
4000 89 166 10.50 10.98 0.97 80
5000 76 140 11.90 14.38 0.82 83
6000 76 142 19.50 23.47 0.83 85
7000 138 254 44.30 29.53 1.49 88
8000 129 238 58.30 41.64 1.39 92
9000 118 219 69.70 54.51 1.28 98
10000 109 203 82.60 69.65 1.18 98
11500 98 180 85.10 80.63 1.06 100

I think a logical comparison would be with a 2015+ 240/242 Yamaha, wouldn't it?

Incidentally - those new 24ft Yamahas are currently SIGNIFICANTLY quieter that the Chap jet boats. Chaparral, Scarab, Glastron are learning fast of all the idiosyncrasies of building a family jet boat but it will be a while before they catch up with the Yamaha that has had a 20 year leg up.

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[Chapvrx]

@Dave burke , I would weigh heavily whether you have someone that can service the Chapparal near by and I would really investigate that thoroughly. I have spent too much time on these forums hearing about the issues with service for these BRP powered boats and there is less help here on this board to get you through any problems. No matter how great the boat looks, which I prefer personally, you could get frustrated. This is just my observation

This is Barack Obama I own chaparral and I Approve this massage .

 

[Bennie]

This is Barack Obama I own chaparral and I Approve this massage .

Sooo... that's another vote for YAMAHA then. Right?

 

[Bennie]

@Dave burke - Sir what year models are the two boats you are looking at?

 

[Chapvrx]

Sooo... that's another vote for YAMAHA then. Right?

On a serious note Yamaha or chaparral they all great boats this day, you can't go wrong but if you live in a 3-4 month boating season and you need help no dealer wants to touch your boat unless it's off season , I think it's because where I live not enough chaparral dealers and if your boat is new under warranty they don't want your business, it takes time for them to get pay , so that's where this great forum comes in handy since it's Yamaha havy you'll most likely will not going to need a dealer

 

[mraz72]

Here are the Dba levels on a 2015 24' limited s

http://www.boattest.com/review/yamaha/3211_242-limited-s

 

[Bennie]

I agree with @Chapvrx - both are good boats and @Dave burke will have a great time with either boat
(despite my extreme bias)

However we have slightly derailed this train and are missing key information - ie what exact boats @Dave burke is looking at.

Model years, customer service, financing (if applicable) and most importantly what the wife says should be of the most importance. Either way, take your time with the purchase, buy your second boat first and just HAVE FUN!!
(also please be safe out there)

 

[GoVols01]

I looked at the Chap Vortex 223 as well, but never test drove one. After seeing the versatility of the Yamaha 212X's seating, the wife was adamant it was the Yamaha. Additionally, the Chap dealer informed me that supercharger maintenance / rebuild is required at 200 hours to the tune of $800 an engine ($1,600 + tax). Admittingly, Chap makes an excellent boat, but BRP engines......eh not so much.

 

[Scott E]

Just did the supercharger maintenance on my 2012 Seadoo. BRP does recommend every 2 years or 200 hours, whichever comes first, but alot of the boat owners go beyond that, as they spend less time on / off the throttle, and less at full throttle than the jetski's do. So that was 4-5 years and 75 hours on the factory superchargers.

Removal took about an hour, shipped them out for a rebuild ($435 each), and had them back in under a week. Install took less than an hour. If you are worried about the supercharger maintenance, I'd recommend the twin 155hp engine setup. Acceleration and top speed will be less, but I've ready many reviews from happy owners of the 310 hp boats.

 

[Chapvrx]

Also if you care about performance chaparral can get close to 60mph

 

[blackhawkpilot]

Check out Capt. Steve's review on boattest.com.

I had looked at the Yamahas for several years and ended walking away with the Chap 223. Closed loop cooling was a BIG selling factor for me as we do most boating in salt water. I liked the feel of the Chap over the Yamaha - Chaparral is a BOAT manufacturer. It was my experience that a lot of the Yamaha boat dealers were motorcycle dealerships - not all of them, but that was my personal experience. Happy wife, happy life - the wife preferred the Chap over the Yamaha, so that was also a big selling point for me. The integrated GPS, one engine control for the dual engine set-up, ASP, better low-speed control. I wish I had a captain's chair on the port side. I've had no issues with the engines yet, except for an O2 sensor that needed to be replaced (covered under warranty). The Chap coming straight from the factory is a very well set-up boat with no real aftermarket options needed.

The dealerships for the Chap Vortex seem to be pretty sporadic with not a lot of options. My 2 dealers that are close to me, one is 2 hours away, the other is almost 3 hours. Make sure you find a Chap dealer that knows a decent amount about these. That seems to be pretty difficult to find, too, as these boats are still pretty new to the market. I've learned more off of this forum and the Vortex Owners Facebook page than I've learned from both of my dealers. Happy hunting!!

 

[Joe Hellaby]

As far as I know, Yamaha is the only boat company that sell boats in North America that make both the hull and the engine
For what it's worth...

 

[jwhedberg]

You are right Joe, and not only does Yamaha manufacture the engine, they also manufacture the hull. While Chapparel has been around a long time (1965), Yamaha has been around a bit longer (1887), and not only builds a good jetboat engine, but also some of the best outboard engines around.

 

[ripler]

For me not having clean out ports or an easy way to remove debris from above the water is a deal breaker. I boat on the river and I constantly suck stuff up and can't clear it with the reverse maneuver, most of the time it's a small twig lodged between the impeller and the wear ring and requires me to use the clean outs.

 

[maboat]

Chap's have a "true neutral" as well.

What do you mean by that? Are you saying they have "true" transmission that disengages the jet pump from the engine driveshaft?

 

[swatski]

You are right Joe, and not only does Yamaha manufacture the engine, they also manufacture the hull. While Chapparel has been around a long time (1965), Yamaha has been around a bit longer (1887), and not only builds a good jetboat engine, but also some of the best outboard engines around.

That's right. And lets not forget those beautiful keyboards and pianos they manufacture. lol.

Seriously though, if they only used those outboards in YJBs! But that is an entirely different beast (and a different company, basically).

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[jwhedberg]

That's right. And lets not forget those beautiful keyboards and pianos they manufacture. lol.

Seriously though, if they only used those outboards in YJBs! But that is an entirely different beast (and a different company, basically).

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Hahaha, you just reminded me why all the Yamaha boats have a tuning fork in the logo