Scupper

[ToddW850]

ok, what is the scupper? I have been reading for months about this and still can't wrap my brain around it. Please teach me about it and show me pictures of it. I'm a slow learner. I have a 14 AR210. Thanks.

@Gym explained it perfectiy above ^^^. To add to that, I BELIEVE the scupper in your 2014 is now located above the water line. Ours are located below the water line. If yours is in fact above the water line, you won't need to worry about changing it out.

 

[fairpilot]

This is scupper. Yours may be stainless but same look

 

[fairpilot]

I have never changed mine I inspect it every year but it is fine I push and pull on it pretty hard and it does not break In My opinion it is caused by factory over tightening it. My friend 08 212x was leaking water while we were in keys, pulled it out of water and touched it and it broke off immediately in my hand

 

[PEARCE]

Mine was perfect too when I changed it last spring. I had the stainless steel one already and was already into the job so I went ahead and replaced it. It's piece of mind now knowing I'm not going to have a major part failure below the waterline.

 

[TonkaTuff]

http://dev.greatlakesskipper.com/images_temp/images/products/9/34729-1-lg.jpg

 

[Billtex2000]

Mines been sitting on my work bench too...for at least two years. Every time I open the hatch to take a look at mine from the inside I panic! lol I Just don't see how I'm gonna be able to reach it! I gotta read the scupper replacement thread again.

 

[Gym]

Mines been sitting on my work bench too...for at least two years. Every time I open the hatch to take a look at mine from the inside I panic! lol I Just don't see how I'm gonna be able to reach it! I gotta read the scupper replacement thread again.

Thinking about it is much worse than doing it.

 

[mark_m]

I have the attwood scupper on my workbench and would like to tackle this... I found a machine shop and would like to get the scupper turned down so when I get my boat out of storage I can work on the swap. I believe from this thread I need to turn down the diameter of the scupper to fit into the flange for my '07 SX230. Can someone confirm? Additionally, does anyone have a photo of a turned scupper in a finished install? Curious to see if anyone has used this method, have only seen the 3&9 o'clock grind down method.

Thanks
Mark

 

[Blazin14]

Just want to say......I hated the &#*% scupper replacement. (I feel better now)

My note:
1) My OG scupper was fine, but replaced anyway.
2) Removing the tube from the scupper was impossible / no leverage.
3) Broke top scupper in seating area trying to remove hose.
4) I needed to make 2 piece scupper using existing parts and plumbing fitting from home-depot. ( I'm not removing my floor to replace top scupper)
5) Project done - never want to do it again.

I'm sure it can be done faster and with out the blunders, but Murphy law was not helping.

 

[ToddW850]

I have the attwood scupper on my workbench and would like to tackle this... I found a machine shop and would like to get the scupper turned down so when I get my boat out of storage I can work on the swap. I believe from this thread I need to turn down the diameter of the scupper to fit into the flange for my '07 SX230. Can someone confirm? Additionally, does anyone have a photo of a turned scupper in a finished install? Curious to see if anyone has used this method, have only seen the 3&9 o'clock grind down method.

Thanks
Mark

Hey Mark, you don't need to turn down the whole scupper. Just at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. I don't have the 23 foot boat, but I'm sure someone else can upload a pic for you. OR, I believe there has to be a pic of one earlier in this thread.

 

[jawsf16]

@mark_m
Page four shows a pic. It needs to be 2.75 across so shave in the 3 and 9 o'clock edges.

 

[mark_m]

@mark_m
Page four shows a pic. It needs to be 2.75 across so shave in the 3 and 9 o'clock edges.

Thanks @jawsf16 and @ToddW850 !

 

[Geoff Cooper]

Well with all this talk about scupper valves and me going out for 2 days cruising and fishing at the weekend i thought I'd take a closer look at this, having read several useful posts so i left the hose running in the engine compartment until the water was just below the sumps then i opened the inspection ports at the back and put my hand down the inside until i could feel the water about 4 or 5 inches above the scupper drain pipe, That should be well over the valve i thought, I left it for a couple of days and in the mean time thought i would get a stainless steel scupper from the many outlets here, Like i have previously said in my other posts spares out here in Thailand are just so difficult to get, Not one place had one and most looked at me as if i was mad as they had never been asked for one, Ok i thought never mind so having left the boat with the back end full of water i checked and no leaks found so i removed the small rubber scupper valve flap and checked inside gave it a good clean and also flatted the rubber valve on a piece of smooth wet and dry paper and put it back together, Seemed ok and the water is still in there as i went and checked again for leaks but still dry after 3 days so i will let the water out tomorrow and just see if i can locate a stainless scupper on the net maybe from Singapore as sometimes they do free carriage to Thailand and at least i will have one to change at my leisure.

 

[txav8r]

@Geoff Cooper , it is an Attwood part. I wouldn't swear toi t, but my guess is that it is made in China or Taiwan anyway. Probably no help but if you emailed Attwood, maybe they can give you some advice on locating it.

 

[Geoff Cooper]

@Geoff Cooper , it is an Attwood part. I wouldn't swear toi t, but my guess is that it is made in China or Taiwan anyway. Probably no help but if you emailed Attwood, maybe they can give you some advice on locating it.

Yes thanks for that, I've had bigger problems to overcome here with locating Boat parts, Little victories that's how to approach the situation it always seems to work.

 

[Geoff Cooper]

Yes thanks for that, I've had bigger problems to overcome here with locating Boat parts, Little victories that's how to approach the situation it always seems to work.

I think I've found them being manufactured in China they do 3/8 to 3" look like the Attwood ones, I've asked for a price and a sample but may have to buy 10 but if the price is right that's ok, I did the same with the dampers for the hatches and had them made with nitrogen internals works a lot better but had to have 10 but delivery to the states is cheap from here so i have just sent one to a member because his has stopped working so maybe we can do the same with these scupper valves if all goes well, Then we all benefit and i don't think i will need 10 in my lifetime.

 

[Geoff Cooper]

Well just got back from a weekend in the Boat well long weekend including Monday, had a great time and scupper worked well no problems and everywhere as dry as a bone, just going to post some pics on my Trips to Bangkok post.

 

[Glassman]

I've been giving this a bit of thought lately since I'm still in maintenance mode.

I was about to pull the trigger on the SS scupper when a thought occurred to me...is stainless the right choice for this location? The OEM part is plastic. Was there a reason other than cost?

I have removed the clean-out tray a couple of times for other projects, but I haven't reached down to feel around the scupper.
My question for those of you who have done this repair is was there any evidence of water pooling down there?

Is there a possibility that water entering this compartment in the future would pool around the SS scupper?

If the answer is "yes", then I have a concern. Stainless will corrode under the right circumstances. If it is submerged or partially submerged it could rust. I've seen it and I'll bet many of you have.

It brought to mind an article I read a while back - I read it more for information about sacrificial anodes than anything else, but it touched on all types of corrosion that occurs on a boat. Specifically "Crevice Corrosion" and how it particularly effects stainless.

Here, have a read:
http://www.boatus.com/boattech/articles/marine-corrosion.asp

So, I'd be interested to know if the collective brain trust here thinks it could possibly be an issue.

They do make stouter plastic and nylon scuppers than the OEM model and as Fairpilot opined, and I agree, the factory may well have over tightened that part on a good number of the boats. Interesting to note that some of the older models are holding up well.

 

[ToddW850]

@Glassman I changed out my Scupper to the SS this spring. I did so based on all the member recommendations. I never questioned it until I went to buy the SS Scupper and it said in the description not to be mounted below the water line. I hesitated to purchase it. But then thought of all the members doing it and the fact my plastic one had failed. Well, actually starting to fail. I knew the SS one would not crack like the plastic one.

And sorry but I cannot answer your question about pooling because I'm a little confused on the question.

 

[jdonalds]

I've been giving this a bit of thought lately since I'm still in maintenance mode.

I was about to pull the trigger on the SS scupper when a thought occurred to me...is stainless the right choice for this location? The OEM part is plastic. Was there a reason other than cost?

I have removed the clean-out tray a couple of times for other projects, but I haven't reached down to feel around the scupper.
My question for those of you who have done this repair is was there any evidence of water pooling down there?

Is there a possibility that water entering this compartment in the future would pool around the SS scupper?

If the answer is "yes", then I have a concern. Stainless will corrode under the right circumstances. If it is submerged or partially submerged it could rust. I've seen it and I'll bet many of you have.

It brought to mind an article I read a while back - I read it more for information about sacrificial anodes than anything else, but it touched on all types of corrosion that occurs on a boat. Specifically "Crevice Corrosion" and how it particularly effects stainless.

Here, have a read:
http://www.boatus.com/boattech/articles/marine-corrosion.asp

So, I'd be interested to know if the collective brain trust here thinks it could possibly be an issue.

They do make stouter plastic and nylon scuppers than the OEM model and as Fairpilot opined, and I agree, the factory may well have over tightened that part on a good number of the boats. Interesting to note that some of the older models are holding up well.

If you're concerned see if you can locate a brass scupper. The main thing is to get the plastic one out of your boat.