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[TOGA]

Here is another thread on a stuck shaft AND replacing bearings:

https://jetboaters.net/threads/starboard-shaft-is-stuck-and-wont-slide-out.25495/

Appreciate the threads.

I have overcome my fear of using brute force, just haven't won the battle yet.

 

[tdonoughue]

Keep working at it. Haven't yet heard of one winning in the long run.

Someday we need to figure out why some get stuck like this. Mine were easy ones...

 

[buckbuck]

@TOGA Please note that I may be wrong but my experience is to always remove the next set of bolts forward. 4) 14mm and 1) 10 mm. I have never pulled my pump doing what you have done. So it may be possible but you may want to consider pulling the next 5 bolts.

 

[TOGA]

@TOGA Please note that I may be wrong but my experience is to always remove the next set of bolts forward. 4) 14mm and 1) 10 mm. I have never pulled my pump doing what you have done. So it may be possible but you may want to consider pulling the next 5 bolts.

When I removed the pump that is not damaged (port Side), the shaft pulled straight out without issue. I don't think its necessary to remove any more of the assembly. I just need some force.

Thanks for suggestion. If the other side hadn't slid out easily I would try it.

 

[TOGA]

https://jetboaters.net/threads/my-impeller-bearing-replacement.20256/

Is there a place that sells kits to replace everything needed or am I gonna have to go find a schematic and order piece by piece?

 

[Beachbummer]

If you want OEM you will need the diagram as far as I am aware. Some after market places will sell the kit.

I think this would be the WSM kit

Jet Pump Rebuild Kit - 003-627

Complete Kit Part Number 003-627. Fits Models Listed At Bottom Of Page. Kits include bearings, o-rings, oil seals only. Individual pieces sold each. Fits The Following Models: Yamaha GP800R 2001 Yamaha GP800R Jet Pump Rebuild Kit & Repair Parts 2002 Yamaha GP800R Jet Pump Rebuild Kit & Repair...

www.atlanticjetsports.com

But the OEM lasts so long I would consider paying more to get the OEM bearings.

 

[TOGA]

If you want OEM you will need the diagram as far as I am aware. Some after market places will sell the kit.

Can you guide me to aftermarket places that sell a kit.

I need the simple button to order all pieces that need to be replaced.

 

[Beachbummer]

I think you can order OEM for your boat here

Yamaha Boat Parts 2006 OEM Parts Diagram for Jet Unit 1 | Boats.net

Buy OEM Parts for Yamaha Boat Parts 2006 Jet Unit 1 Diagram

www.boats.net

Check my work.

 

[TOGA]

Boom! I win.

I won't lie, I was getting real nervous.

I backed the truck up, attached a ratchet strap to impeller, tightened her until i thought she was about to fly apart, tapped with a hammer...and nothing happened.

She hung in there.

I tightened the strap until i was sure she was about to pop, crawled underneath with a big ass hammer and a 2x4 and whacked the crap out her 3 or times...and nothing happened.

I was mad and going for broke this last time. 2 whacks with all i had and she popped out onto the blanket I had waiting to catch her.

Good grief that was hard.

What I notice is when I went to fit her back in and make sure nothing was wrong, there is a cushion when inserting her back in that is forming a vacuum. I assume this is the IMS bearing I grease as directed each year.

Question now, is it supposed to feel like a cushion when reinserting?

I'm going to break into the good bearing tomorrow and make sure I understand which parts and bearings to order to rebuild both.

@Beachbummer - thanks for part sheet. Any idea which engine is Jet 1 and which is Jet 2? I'm guessing some parts are threaded different. I'm sure I'll figure it out when the boxes come in and Nut A won't work on Shaft B.

Thanks for everyone help.

 

[Ronnie]

@TOGA, I believe the only difference between the two pumps is the impeller. The attached screenshot is from yamaha sports plaza’s site they list pump 1 and jet pump 2 separately even though the common parts of both pumps are listed together in each diagram (for instance the intake grates are identified as port and starboard, parts 29 and 32, respectively).

 

[TOGA]

Need some help overcoming another Carol Baskin challenge.

Attached are pics of the impeller shaft, what's left of bearings, impeller duct, etc.

You can see how bad it was. Had to use a pipe wrench to get the nut off as it was almost completely rounded off. I imagine the next piece in the line is what was left of the spacer / washer.

The problem I now have is getting the last bearing race out of the impeller housing. Since the bearings were total destroyed, there is no way to pop them out easily.

I used a punch against the lip of the internal spacer to get the aft race out.

I cannot get any leverage on what's left of the bearing at the front of the housing.

Anyone got any ideas?

 

[TOGA]

Need some help overcoming another Carol Baskin challenge.

Attached are pics of the impeller shaft, what's left of bearings, impeller duct, etc.

You can see how bad it was. Had to use a pipe wrench to get the nut off as it was almost completely rounded off. I imagine the next piece in the line is what was left of the spacer / washer.

The problem I now have is getting the last bearing race out of the impeller housing. Since the bearings were total destroyed, there is no way to pop them out easily.

I used a punch against the lip of the internal spacer to get the aft race out.

I cannot get any leverage on what's left of the bearing at the front of the housing.

Anyone got any ideas?

Images 8063 and 8064 show different angles of the remaining bearing race I have to get out.

 

[TOGA]

Images 8063 and 8064 show different angles of the remaining bearing race I have to get out.

So I saw where someone welded a couple of nuts to a race and that gave them a place to tap the race out.

Unless the forum comes back with a better idea, I'm heading to a buddies shop tomorrow and will try that.

 

[Beachbummer]

I have a tool called a seal puller. looks like a flat steel hammer/ax with hooks in the end of where the hammer would be. Any chance you can get a hook or fastener to catch on the race lip while you insert something bigger through the pump to push it out?

Thin flat head screw driver right on the edge between the race and the pump, to try to bend it in?

Your weld idea sounds pretty slick, just thinking of other options.

 

[TOGA]

I have a tool called a seal puller. looks like a flat steel hammer/ax with hooks in the end of where the hammer would be. Any chance you can get a hook or fastener to catch on the race lip while you insert something bigger through the pump to push it out?

Thin flat head screw driver right on the edge between the race and the pump, to try to bend it in?

Your weld idea sounds pretty slick, just thinking of other options.

I cannot get squat to catch on the race. Can't get to the lip as it is recessed below the opening and the race itself is slick.

I got a buddy bringing a welder and an air chisel tomorrow.

I'm learning a lot from this one.

A note that I now wish I had questioned a while back...If you hear a ping or ting in your drive, it's your impeller hitting the housing. Stop the motor.

I heard that noise a long time ago, but never really thought about it. Know I now what it is and what it means.

 

[Beachbummer]

Sorry to hear!!! Best of luck. Keep us posted.

 

[tdonoughue]

Sounds like you need something like this:

Amazon.com: K Tool International KTI (KTI-70356) Pilot Bearing Slide Hammer : Automotive

Buy K Tool International KTI (KTI-70356) Pilot Bearing Slide Hammer: Slide Hammers - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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That said, I don't have one and never used one. Just trying to find another possible solution for you...

 

[TOGA]

Sounds like you need something like this:

Amazon.com: K Tool International KTI (KTI-70356) Pilot Bearing Slide Hammer : Automotive

Buy K Tool International KTI (KTI-70356) Pilot Bearing Slide Hammer: Slide Hammers - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

That said, I don't have one and never used one. Just trying to find another possible solution for you...

It would work if I could get those hooks behind something to grip on. I don't think Yamaha ever intended for these bearing to disintegrate and be force to remove a bare race.