Russia Invades Ukraine AND Chinese Aircraft Enter Taiwan Airspace

[deubank1776]

Latest Russia-Ukraine updates: Tens of thousands flee their homes

Ukraine invasion news from February 24: UN says several thousand Ukrainians crossing into neighbouring countries.

www.aljazeera.com

I didn’t even get to take my boat out.

 

[zipper]

If the World lets him do this, it will show that no border is safe. Other bad actors in the region will be empowered. Nothing good will come from this.

 

[haknslash]

Here comes $6-7 a gallon of gas. We are so weak. Not sure why we care about Ukraine when we turn a blind eye to our own borders. Oh wait, a certain family has tie$ to Ukraine. Makes sense lol.

 

[ripler]

Here comes $6-7 a gallon of gas. We are so weak. Not sure why we care about Ukraine when we turn a blind eye to our own borders. Oh wait, a certain family has tie$ to Ukraine. Makes sense lol.

No doubt.

 

[adrianp89]

I am curious how true the genocide claims against Russians in Ukraine are.

We have clearly seen over the past two years how the media does not present the entire picture.

 

[mwalker4]

$4 gas (Midwest on land) /$6 gas (Cali) may convince people to sell their boats and RVs sooner. So people in the market for a used boat have that going for them.

 

[deubank1776]

So far Russia has shelled the capital and shot down Ukrainian aircraft. They have also deployed the Russian equivalence of the US airborne.

 

[deubank1776]

Tanks are rolling through Crimea and what is Sad is that it is grid lock in Kyiv and people can’t flee. Shame on the Ukrainian media and government.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Tanks are rolling through Crimea and what is Sad is that it is grid lock in Kyiv and people can’t flee. Shame on the Ukrainian media and government.

Okay, I don't get it. Russia invades a sovereign country and the Ukrainian media and government is at fault? Aside from the two breakaway republics, the people in Ukraine do not want to be aligned with Russia and Putin says tough shit and invades.

For those of you who don't care about Ukraine, where does he go next?

Jim

 

[deubank1776]

Okay, I don't get it. Russia invades a sovereign country and the Ukrainian media and government is at fault? Aside from the two breakaway republics, the people in Ukraine do not want to be aligned with Russia and Putin says tough shit and invades.

For those of you who don't care about Ukraine, where does he go next?

Jim

There was a lot of denial in the media and the government should've evacuated citizens sooner. There is gridlock on the highways. They are sitting ducks.

 

[deubank1776]

Chinese aircraft just entered Taiwan airspace.

Taiwan reports 9 Chinese aircraft in its air defense zone

Taipei responds to latest entry, coming on day Russia invades Ukraine

asia.nikkei.com

 

[HangOutdoors]

For those of you who don't care about Ukraine, where does he go next?

He probably won't be going anywhere else. I don't see NATO rolling into the Ukraine, so unless Ukraine can ward them off or he gets bored, its game over for the Ukraine. He doesn't care about sanctions.

What is very sad is the people of Ukraine and what they will have to go through. They should have been evacuated when Russia was beefing up on the border.

 

[Taylorman]

Chinese aircraft just entered Taiwan airspace.

Taiwan reports 9 Chinese aircraft in its air defense zone

Taipei responds to latest entry, coming on day Russia invades Ukraine

asia.nikkei.com

This happens on a fairly regular basis. They did it last month with more planes and a couple times in the fall. I’m not saying it means nothing but it also doesn’t signal an imminent invasion by China.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

He probably won't be going anywhere else. I don't see NATO rolling into the Ukraine, so unless Ukraine can ward them off or he gets bored, its game over for the Ukraine. He doesn't care about sanctions.

What is very sad is the people of Ukraine and what they will have to go through. They should have been evacuated when Russia was beefing up on the border.

Where would the people of Ukraine have evacuated to?

I would offer that Putin and his fellow oligarch do care about the sanctions, but are rich enough to weather them. Putin's wealth is estimated at $200+ billion. Pretty successful for a guy for makes $150K a year. My guess is that sanctions will make it rough for the normal Russian citizen. Guess I'm not surprise about the invasion, as the first tell-tale sign was when he move ship yacht from the German shipyard even though it had not finished its refit.

Jim

 

[Bruce]

He probably won't be going anywhere else.

How many said that when Putin invaded Georgia, when Hitler invaded Austria?

 

[HangOutdoors]

Where would the people of Ukraine have evacuated to?

I would offer that Putin and his fellow oligarch do care about the sanctions, but are rich enough to weather them. Putin's wealth is estimated at $200+ billion. Pretty successful for a guy for makes $150K a year. My guess is that sanctions will make it rough for the normal Russian citizen. Guess I'm not surprise about the invasion, as the first tell-tale sign was when he move ship yacht from the German shipyard even though it had not finished its refit.

Jim

Where they are evacuating now, A lot are going to Poland who is welcoming them and helping them and other neighboring countries. At the very least move them out of the major eastern cities. China, India and other countries will gladly buy their oil, gas, wheat, etc. Sanctions aren't going to do much if anything right now. I don't see it happening. But it would be a great thing if they would work.

 

[HangOutdoors]

How many said that when Putin invaded Georgia, when Hitler invaded Austria?

I get that, but I don't think he wants to go to war with NATO and especially the U.S. That is a war I don't think Russia would survive/win, unless it goes nuclear, which is bad. They picked off Crimea, they will most likely pick off Ukraine. He pretty much assumes/knows that at least at this point the only resistance would be the Ukraine Military and Sanctions. If NATO gets involved, Then China may get involved in some way or something.

What I have been thinking about is, "Is there something that He Wants that is big enough to wind this down and back out of the Ukraine?" I can't quite figure that out. Is the true Angle to just grab Ukraine, or is there something else that this would be used for leverage.

 

[Bruce]

I get that, but I don't think he wants to go to war with NATO and especially the U.S.

That was a popular opinion in March of 1938. Then came Poland.

 

[ripler]

Okay, I don't get it. Russia invades a sovereign country and the Ukrainian media and government is at fault? Aside from the two breakaway republics, the people in Ukraine do not want to be aligned with Russia and Putin says tough shit and invades.

For those of you who don't care about Ukraine, where does he go next?

Jim

The Ukrainian people were told by their government that there is no way Russia was going to invade and they have said publicly that they were surprised Russia attacked.

There is no way NATO and the US don't get dragged into this. In the 90's Ukraine had the 3rd most nuclear weapons in the world, they agreed to the join the nuclear proliferation treaty in exchange for a promise by the US and NATO that they would be protected even though Ukraine is not part of NATO. If NATO stands by and does nothing, then NATO is worthless.

 

[HangOutdoors]

There is no way NATO and the US don't get dragged into this. In the 90's Ukraine had the 3rd most nuclear weapons in the world, they agreed to the join the nuclear proliferation treaty in exchange for a promise by the US and NATO that they would be protected even though Ukraine is not part of NATO. If NATO stands by and does nothing, then NATO is worthless.

Good points. You are probably right. This is all very troubling.