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Here's an idea......Let's actually do the responsible things required to prepare ourselves for the future instead of just throwing out policy and incentives that swing votes and get everyone talking. How about we invest in the boring things that we actually need. Like truly infinite power sources such as Nuclear Power Plants. More and Upgraded transmission lines. Let's plan and invest in the foundation to actually be able to power what eventually we will all need to transition to. Throwing Billions at Supercharges to then just ask everyone to throttle back their power consumption in the summers is absolutely asinine. This is the type of Bullshit with EV that drives me nuts. It's all sizzle and no meat.
 

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I would agree there are challenges in delivering electricity and we need to do something about the decentralized power concept. I don’t see nuclear power as a panacea, however, given that nuclear power plants are just too damn expensive to build, we never did come up with a good long term solution to waste storage.

According to the EIA (U.S. Energy Information Administration), “The average age of U.S. commercial nuclear power reactors that were operational as of August 1, 2023, is about 42 years. The oldest operating reactor is Nine Mile Point Unit 1 in New York State, which entered commercial service in December 1969. The newest reactor to enter service is Vogtle Unit 3 at the Alvin W. Vogtle Electric Generating Plant in Georgia that began commercial operation on July 31, 2023. The next-youngest operating reactor is Watts Bar Unit 2, in Tennessee, which began commercial electricity generation in October 2016.”

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Here's an idea......Let's actually do the responsible things required to prepare ourselves for the future instead of just throwing out policy and incentives that swing votes and get everyone talking. How about we invest in the boring things that we actually need. Like truly infinite power sources such as Nuclear Power Plants. More and Upgraded transmission lines. Let's plan and invest in the foundation to actually be able to power what eventually we will all need to transition to. Throwing Billions at Supercharges to then just ask everyone to throttle back their power consumption in the summers is absolutely asinine. This is the type of Bullshit with EV that drives me nuts. It's all sizzle and no meat.
Do it all at once.....it doesn't have to be a serial solution.

If we wait until we're ready, we'll never do it.
 

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Do it all at once.....it doesn't have to be a serial solution.

If we wait until we're ready, we'll never do it.
Easy to say until you’re living the rolling blackout saga so people can charge their freakin cars. We have plenty of fossil fuels to get us by until the infrastructure is ready. CO2 makes up .04% of our atmosphere. Normal levels are .03. Plant life dies at .02. Fission reactors and soon fusion reactors are the future.
 

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Easy to say until you’re living the rolling blackout saga so people can charge their freakin cars. We have plenty of fossil fuels to get us by until the infrastructure is ready. CO2 makes up .04% of our atmosphere. Normal levels are .03. Plant life dies at .02. Fission reactors and soon fusion reactors are the future.
We could incentivize home chargers and encourage people to charge at home during non-peak hours.

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Easy to say until you’re living the rolling blackout saga so people can charge their freakin cars. We have plenty of fossil fuels to get us by until the infrastructure is ready. CO2 makes up .04% of our atmosphere. Normal levels are .03. Plant life dies at .02. Fission reactors and soon fusion reactors are the future.
Are EV's causing you brown outs/rolling blackouts? My suspicion it's likely caused by A/C or other uses and the request to "not charge during the day" was a precaution to help the grid, not a mandate because it was a causing a problem.

I'm all ears for links of causation between EV charging and rolling blackouts.....in particular in Texas. This search alone tells me there isn't a great link between the two. I'm not sure I've ever seen such polarizing results on a single search.

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I’m curious, anyone on here have a NERC BIT or RC cert?
Anyone here a system operator or work as a day ahead planner? / trader?
Anyone here work in a LSE, DP, TP, GO, GOP, BA?
Anyone here know what ACE is?
Anyone know what N-1, N-2, N-3 is?
Anyone know what MORC stands for?
How about SIL?
SPS or RAS?
Dynamic Stability?
Dynamic instability?
 
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“Anyone here know what an Ace is?”

It‘s a UTV (Utility Task Vehicle), basically a single set side-by-side, made by Polaris. We have three of them, here are two:
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Anyone know what MORC stands for?

nope. I just know he was from ORC.
 

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There sure are a ton of markdowns on EVs as of late. Saw a deal on the Vinfast EVs that recently came to the Raleigh area with crazy lease deals too. I believe they all have their place, but hard to deny how the Gubmint has been trying to force them upon us. I'd consider one if we didn't travel so much with our vehicles. For a commuter car, for mine or my wife's commute I think an EV would be a great idea other than the added expense of a charger install. No way would I throw all my apples in one basket and only own an EV. Definitely not a smart idea.
 

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Bought a pocket full of Rivian a few days ago, Thank you Ford.
The Rivian Amazon vans are all over this side of Phoenix, The kids driving them love them.
Every time I hear an electric vehicle it makes me think of a rear axle wheel bearing getting ready to shell out.
Why do EV headlights have to be so homely. Imo most EV's are fricken ugly and the Tesla has a creepy euro vw bug thing going on.
Electric vehicles do not fit our requirements, She loves her Chrysler hemi and they will bury me in my big dumb truck.
Towing a small boat, ac on roar, Molly Hatchet lighten up the amps, from 1300ft asl to 5700ft asl in June, oat 115*, road surface temp 150*
We will never own one.
 
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I was curious to see if anyone commenting here actually works in the interconnected grid operations and so far that is a big no.

All of those terms I wrote down above are common terms used in the industry.

The number one job of all grid operations is reliability which is a many tiered operational matrix, which involves load forecasting, long term power purchases, short term power purchases, and contingency planning. That is the wide area view, which is the purview of a NERC (North American Reliability Corporation) RC (reliability coordinator). NERC NERC

Every year, mainly summer, we see reports of “grid operators brace for grid strain“ etc, and we need to conserve to put off building costly new power plants, or turn off your air conditioning. Those are the hallmarks of an electrical system that is sorely lacking. Being asked to turn off your AC or raise the thermostat setting when it’s hot outside and you need the AC the most is ridiculous. And certainly adding exponentially more load to a system is a very poor idea at best. This is akin to one’s boat has an issue where it will not run to its full potential and being able to get on plane and living with that.

Rolling blackouts occur when reserves, MORC, are too low, usually less than 3%, this is mainly due to a lack of generation but can also happen due to transmission line outages. The cause is immaterial, all that matters is that the system cannot operate normally due to lack of resources, so the load must be reduced to balance with available resources.

Until such time that public appeals for electrical usage reduction and interruptible load schemes during times of high system load are a thing of the past, adding exponentially more load to the North American grid is not going to work. The level of electrification being talked about today will require at a minimum a four to five times overbuild of the grid as it stands today, this is beyond massive. The generation required for a reliable overbuild should be a dramatic increase in nuclear generation as it is the cleanest and next to hydro the cheapest form of generation. As a fyi, France, the country with the highest level of nuclear generation in their IRP (integrated resource plan) in January of last year voted to expand at the fastest rate safely possible to increase their nuclear generation. Nuclear generation is what’s possible right now, today, SMR’s (small modular reactors) very similar to what the Navy uses in the electric boats are probably the most cost effective and alacritous way to expand nuclear generation. Wind and solar have their place in the IRP, but not as prime sources of power as their outputs are intermittent, having these sources of power as prime components represents an incredible risk to the reliability of the grid, their usage needs to be supplemental. No further retirements of any generating stations should occur until reliable generating units are on line and proven.

Until such time as there is a plan on a national level to exponentially increase generation, transmission and distribution a reliable expansion of electrification will not happen.
 

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I try not to get sucked into long drawn out debates, but much of my info comes from sources you mentioned. Myself and 9 other ex-squids who were all nuclear mechanical operators on the same ship stay in constant communication via text we call it "Squidchat". Of the 10 of us, 4 still work in the power industry, and 1 is some kind of turbine generator guru that flies all around the world for Siemens. One is a shift manager and has his senior reactor operators license in Connecticut, one works for a power delivery company of some kind in The Northeast, One is an energy trader in Florida who just moved from Michigan, another works for the Nuclear Regulatory Commision. I ate, drank, and slept nuclear power for 6 years. Most of what people read out there about nuclear power is false and sensationalized by the media.
 

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DiLithium Crystals are just around the corner and will be main stream! :)
 

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Your post above is informational and I welcome your thoughts. However, just because we don’t work in grid operations doesn’t mean we don’t know anything. You might be surprised at the background that some of us have.

The amount of electrical generation is not static, but dynamic as sources of generation get retired and added. Often, the capital investments are not made until there is anticipated demands for power. With peak and off-peak pricing of power, many folks with chargers, at home, will take advantage to the lower rates to charge their EV’s.

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I try not to get sucked into long drawn out debates, but much of my info comes from sources you mentioned. Myself and 9 other ex-squids who were all nuclear mechanical operators on the same ship stay in constant communication via text we call it "Squidchat". Of the 10 of us, 4 still work in the power industry, and 1 is some kind of turbine generator guru that flies all around the world for Siemens. One is a shift manager and has his senior reactor operators license in Connecticut, one works for a power delivery company of some kind in The Northeast, One is an energy trader in Florida who just moved from Michigan, another works for the Nuclear Regulatory Commision. I ate, drank, and slept nuclear power for 6 years. Most of what people read out there about nuclear power is false and sensationalized by the media.
Out of curiosity, where did you get your training? I had a college roommate (nuclear engineer) who took a job in Idaho as a civilian under naval training. 😀

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Naval Nuclear Power School
 

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I try not to get sucked into long drawn out debates, but much of my info comes from sources you mentioned. Myself and 9 other ex-squids who were all nuclear mechanical operators on the same ship stay in constant communication via text we call it "Squidchat". Of the 10 of us, 4 still work in the power industry, and 1 is some kind of turbine generator guru that flies all around the world for Siemens. One is a shift manager and has his senior reactor operators license in Connecticut, one works for a power delivery company of some kind in The Northeast, One is an energy trader in Florida who just moved from Michigan, another works for the Nuclear Regulatory Commision. I ate, drank, and slept nuclear power for 6 years. Most of what people read out there about nuclear power is false and sensationalized by the media.
Firstly, thank you for your service !

I had several Navy Nukes that worked for me at the grid control center. All of them were super smart, my challenge as the supervisor was keeping them busy lol! My direct report was an ELT on a fast attack boat.

Your buddy who works for Siemens, is his name Robert P?

I couldn’t agree more with your last sentence.
 
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