2019 AR190 surf set up.

[B0at1n]

I've got a 4'8" Cobra Cat that I was SUPER impressed with! So quick and easy to keep on the wake with. I'm going to say it was nearly on par with the Coaster, but more aggressive in its performance.

Of the two I have in my inventory one is the 4'8" XR (carbon fiber) and the other is the 5'0" standard model. There is a standard version that's 4'8" as well and I'm strongly considering adding that to my inventory order I'm making this week. DM me if you want the jetboaters discount price.

Here's where I posted the vid:

https://jetboaters.net/threads/show-us-your-wake-surfing-mods-comparo.22358/post-384909

How do you test out boards. who wants to spend $3-400 bucks and it not be the right board for you.

 

[Arcadyus]

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What's the set up exactly? What board? What fins? How much do you weigh? This is a big. Not many can go ropeless on a 195 nonethe less on a 190. Pretty sick dude. I can't fucking surf till August ugh.

 

[Arcadyus]

How do you test out boards. who wants to spend $3-400 bucks and it not be the right board for you.

Well I called doomswell and he had a rep come out to my lake on my boat to test as many boards as I wanted.

 

[Arcadyus]

I've got a 4'8" Cobra Cat that I was SUPER impressed with! So quick and easy to keep on the wake with. I'm going to say it was nearly on par with the Coaster, but more aggressive in its performance.

Of the two I have in my inventory one is the 4'8" XR (carbon fiber) and the other is the 5'0" standard model. There is a standard version that's 4'8" as well and I'm strongly considering adding that to my inventory order I'm making this week. DM me if you want the jetboaters discount price.

Here's where I posted the vid:

https://jetboaters.net/threads/show-us-your-wake-surfing-mods-comparo.22358/post-384909

With the new Moomba I'll Def want a skim style board. Do you sell aftermarket fins? Fins really bring a board to life and pretty much all stock fins are crap.

 

[B0at1n]

so the first 2 minutes of this video is me going ropeless.

two ballast bags, about 7-800 lbs on the swim deck, Full tank of gas. 225lb driver and 3 little kids weighing probably 75-100lbs total on the surf side.


if you keep watching, you can see how much work ballast bags can be!

At 3:45 went to adjust the bags, strap came loose and bag went into the water. don't worry! we saved it.
At 5:00 you can see why putting seadek or non slip on the lower platform is probably a good idea, I have a huge knot from hitting my shin falling.

here is the link.

 

[B0at1n]

Well I called doomswell and he had a rep come out to my lake on my boat to test as many boards as I wanted.

just to buy 1 board they did that?

 

[Arcadyus]

just to buy 1 board they did that?

Yeah. I spent all of 2 hours surfing 3 different boards. 2 of them in different lengths. All of them with stock vs non stock fins. His rep does live on my lake which made it easier. The owner who answered the phone said if I buy a board from them surf it and feel it's too big or small or I want a diff doomswell he said no problem. Send it back and choose a diff board.

 

[swatski]

so the first 2 minutes of this video is me going ropeless.

two ballast bags, about 7-800 lbs on the swim deck, Full tank of gas. 225lb driver and 3 little kids weighing probably 75-100lbs total on the surf side.


if you keep watching, you can see how much work ballast bags can be!

At 3:45 went to adjust the bags, strap came loose and bag went into the water. don't worry! we saved it.
At 5:00 you can see why putting seadek or non slip on the lower platform is probably a good idea, I have a huge knot from hitting my shin falling.

here is the link.

Man, I love listening to your kids cheering you up! Their reactions are pretty awesome.

That is a BIG board. How does it compare to the Yamaha Slingshot, I wonder?

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[J-RAD]

How do you test out boards. who wants to spend $3-400 bucks and it not be the right board for you.

More like $4-600... but whose keeping track? Lol!

Well, my goal is to try to recommend the best board the first time so that's not the case. I wish I knew a local with a 19 ft that was surf ready to demo a few boards on. We don't have a written policy on it, but if you wanted to make an exchange or return to try another board out I'm more than willing to accommodate. I would just need to recieve it back in the same like new condition and in the original packaging. So the only risk is the return shipping cost.

 

[Arcadyus]

Man, I love listening to your kids cheering you up! Their reactions are pretty awesome.

That is a BIG board. How does it compare to the Yamaha Slingshot, I wonder?

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Yeah I swear most wakesurf places you call all want to put you on these boats just because it's a yamaha wave. But I think you just need volume not length.

 

[B0at1n]

Man, I love listening to your kids cheering you up! Their reactions are pretty awesome.

That is a BIG board. How does it compare to the Yamaha Slingshot, I wonder?

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The board is huge it’s almost 6ft long.

My buddy has an axis, he gave me the board because they didn’t like it. When I’m on his boat I prefer his skim style, I believe it’s a CWB habit. I might try to see if he will let me use it for a day and see how it works on the Yamaha.

If anyone in the DFW area has a slingshot we could do a comparison.

I’m going to do some research and listen to the podcast on fins tomorrow so I understand a little more about the boards

Also, my buddy thinks the only reason I can surf behind the boat is because I have that big board. I plan to prove him wrong!

 

[swatski]

More like $4-600... but whose keeping track? Lol!

Well, my goal is to try to recommend the best board the first time so that's not the case. I wish I knew a local with a 19 ft that was surf ready to demo a few boards on. We don't have a written policy on it, but if you wanted to make an exchange or return to try another board out I'm more than willing to accommodate. I would just need to recieve it back in the same like new condition and in the original packaging. So the only risk is the return shipping cost.

I love the fact you are doing the real testing of those boards, and use the same boat we are riding! that is priceless.
We purchased new boards last winter at boat shows but next we are looking I will most definitely come to you.

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[J-RAD]

With the new Moomba I'll Def want a skim style board. Do you sell aftermarket fins? Fins really bring a board to life and pretty much all stock fins are crap.

I don't as of yet. I don't think it'd be a necessity or do a lot to change the ride of the skim style boards like the butter bar or Coaster. They seem like they're a dense fiberglass resin construction, I'm not sure what an upgrade to those would even be. Its more a question of how many fins to ride with.

The surf style boards however have the snap in FCSII fins and could accommodate a lot of different types and options thru them. After riding the stock Cobra Cat though, I feel I'd be content. Not that I wouldn't be curious, but the board felt nimble and fast as is. It may be something to look into in the future, but I think most would probably also be content as well.

 

[Arcadyus]

The board is huge it’s almost 6ft long.

My buddy has an axis, he gave me the board because they didn’t like it. When I’m on his boat I prefer his skim style, I believe it’s a CWB habit. I might try to see if he will let me use it for a day and see how it works on the Yamaha.

If anyone in the DFW area has a slingshot we could do a comparison.

I’m going to do some research and listen to the podcast on fins tomorrow so I understand a little more about the boards

Also, my buddy thinks the only reason I can surf behind the boat is because I have that big board. I plan to prove him wrong!

It's not about size in the terms of length that help you get push from the wave. It's about volume ie how thick the board is. For example my liquid force rocket that was 5'4" had almost 10 liters less than my doomswell neo that's 4'8". Which now I really wish I had the 4'6" but I'll get a skim in a similar size. Really skim style boards won't do well behind a small wake. They are designed for tricks not really speed. Most also have less volume than style boards. We rode ropeless all day on my 195 but now she's gone and the one video we had turned out to be all fucked. My advice buy the best board you can afford. And make sure it's the one with the MOST volume. Also a snub nose is key. Pointy style surf boards are tough to ride well on our small wakes. They don't to want to nose dive when pushed.

 

[Arcadyus]

I don't as of yet. I don't think it'd be a necessity or do a lot to change the ride of the skim style boards like the butter bar or Coaster. They seem like they're a dense fiberglass resin construction, I'm not sure what an upgrade to those would even be. Its more a question of how many fins to ride with.

The surf style boards however have the snap in FCSII fins and could accommodate a lot of different types and options thru them. After riding the stock Cobra Cat though, I feel I'd be content. Not that I wouldn't be curious, but the board felt nimble and fast as is. It may be something to look into in the future, but I think most would probably also be content as well.

Trust me if you can switch stock fins do it. I promise it will be night and day. There will be no way you'd go back to stock fins. Now you'll now go prove me wrong by going slower on speed generating future fins but my logic is for sure correct. Another way to look at it. You can buy Burton customs for $120. It's a binding that holds you to a board. Or you can buy Burton Genesis X bindings for $500 and totally change you life on a snowboard. Another case and point. You can ride a 170 pow board in our PNW mash potato shit and be fine. Most people here have a few. But you can also ride a 142 with the same surface area ie volume as the 170. But it's more nimble just as quick and way better in trees. You can even drop 30 ft cliffs. Short fat everything with boards is the way of the future. Last is the stiffness. The stiffer the fin the faster it will be. Same with bindings. You can go way fastwr and generate more speed with stiff bindings. Exact opposite if you wanna ride park with the teenagers. Parks boards and bindings are more like skim boards. Way easier to do tricks, spins shove its big spins, etc. But way harder to generate speed or go down a 40 degree slope with 2 ft of pow.

 

[J-RAD]

Trust me if you can switch stock fins do it. I promise it will be night and day. There will be no way you'd go back to stock fins. Now you'll now go prove me wrong by going slower on speed generating future fins but my logic is for sure correct. Another way to look at it. You can buy Burton customs for $120. It's a binding that holds you to a board. Or you can buy Burton Genesis X bindings for $500 and totally change you life on a snowboard. Another case and point. You can ride a 170 pow board in our PNW mash potato shit and be fine. Most people here have a few. But you can also ride a 142 with the same surface area ie volume as the 170. But it's more nimble just as quick and way better in trees. You can even drop 30 ft cliffs. Short fat everything with boards is the way of the future. Last is the stiffness. The stiffer the fin the faster it will be. Same with bindings. You can go way fastwr and generate more speed with stiff bindings. Exact opposite if you wanna ride park with the teenagers. Parks boards and bindings are more like skim boards. Way easier to do tricks, spins shove its big spins, etc. But way harder to generate speed or go down a 40 degree slope with 2 ft of pow.

I've got so much on my plate just trying to try out these stock boards... the thought of testing fins too gives me a headache lol! I'm having a lot of fun doing it thought! I'm sure your logic is correct.

I've been hearing a some opposite logic in regards to wakeboards. There's been a trend to go larger to some degree as they generate more pop of the wake.

 

[Arcadyus]

I've got so much on my plate just trying to try out these stock boards... the thought of testing fins too gives me a headache lol! I'm having a lot of fun doing it thought! I'm sure your logic is correct.

I've been hearing a some opposite logic in regards to wakeboards. There's been a trend to go larger to some degree as they generate more pop of the wake.

that's interesting. Skateboards Def aren't easier to pop being bigger, but I don't wakeboard. Although it's very similar to some degree as snowboarding. I would think making the wake steeper would help more with that. But pros will obv be on dialed waves. So if they're going bigger then everyone else will follow suit.

 

[Sebastian]

Second time surfing today.
370 lbs bag in the ski locker and custom swim platform bag. I had to put the swim platform bag all the way into the corner of the swim platform, centered did not work at all.
Wake was really washed out because of the need to countersteer. However, I was able to surf ropeless for quite a while at 9.8 mph.
What speed are you running at?
Any tips for ballast distribution etc?

Also, I usually have quite a bit of cavitation (even with Lucky 13 cone installed.) Would more spacers (right now the 3 that came with it are installed) help?

Annoying was the behavior of Ridesteady @Ridesteady
With the cavitation, I have a hard time to get up to the desired speed. And if I reach it, seems like Ridesteady is not controlling unless I shoot over by a mile or 2.

Any tips for the settings?
I have "Response" to the max (99) setting.What settings would you recommend?
Also, what setting for overshoot?

 

[swatski]

Second time surfing today.
370 lbs bag in the ski locker and custom swim platform bag. I had to put the swim platform bag all the way into the corner of the swim platform, centered did not work at all.
Wake was really washed out because of the need to countersteer. However, I was able to surf ropeless for quite a while at 9.8 mph.
What speed are you running at?
Any tips for ballast distribution etc?

Also, I usually have quite a bit of cavitation (even with Lucky 13 cone installed.) Would more spacers (right now the 3 that came with it are installed) help?

Annoying was the behavior of Ridesteady @Ridesteady
With the cavitation, I have a hard time to get up to the desired speed. And if I reach it, seems like Ridesteady is not controlling unless I shoot over by a mile or 2.

Any tips for the settings?
I have "Response" to the max (99) setting.What settings would you recommend?
Also, what setting for overshoot?

While tuning up the wave and troubleshooting I use manual control, and RS is just a GPS gauge.
If you are cavitating and having trouble popping up on plane with all the ballast the speed control/cruise module will be useless.

I would check the impeller for any nicks and check the OD specs - outside diameter tolerances inside the wear ring, that should be very tight. Also any missing sealant in the intake tunnels will cause a lot of cavitation.

I do not think that more spacers is a good idea, beyond the three (10mm?) - as the bolt's length will limit you, and the tip of the cone should not stick out. The only other thing that would improve the hole shot here (assuming everything else is perfect) would be a more aggressive impeller pitch and/or porting the venturi nozzle opening (enlarging it) - however both would adversely effect your top speed so it may not be worth it.

As far as RS settings for overshoot, I find the factory default settings to be quite good (at least in a twin). I do not think that changing those settings would help any with situation until you can control cavitation (impeller slippage).

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[Sebastian]

While tuning up the wave and troubleshooting I use manual control, and RS is just a GPS gauge.
If you are cavitating and having trouble popping up on plane with all the ballast the speed control/cruise module will be useless.

I would check the impeller for any nicks and check the OD specs - outside diameter tolerances inside the wear ring, that should be very tight. Also any missing sealant in the intake tunnels will cause a lot of cavitation.

I do not think that more spacers is a good idea, beyond the three (10mm?) - as the bolt's length will limit you, and the tip of the cone should not stick out. The only other thing that would improve the hole shot here (assuming everything else is perfect) would be a more aggressive impeller pitch and/or porting the venturi nozzle opening (enlarging it) - however both would adversely effect your top speed so it may not be worth it.

As far as RS settings for overshoot, I find the factory default settings to be quite good (at least in a twin). I do not think that changing those settings would help any with situation until you can control cavitation (impeller slippage).

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The OD is fine, checked the spec when switching to the Lucky 13 cone.
Seal and nicks might be a problem.

For Ridesteady, I've had some tries where I reached the desired speed, but Ridesteady would not really engage.
And other instances where the overshoot was too high (12 mph), but Ridesteady engaged/