The Vaccine

[Lurch]

This are the most reasonable reasonable sentences that I have read in your posts.

I also believe it to be quite accurate. Those with the weakest immune systems have typically been vaccinated first and responded least to those vaccinations.

It's comical that you need to announce the one thing I post that you agree with is categorized as "the most reasonable". Kudos for me...I guess.

 

[Beachbummer]

I'm also previous positive and vaccinated so hopefully we have some sort of superpower.

 

[Lurch]

I'm also previous positive and vaccinated so hopefully we have some sort of superpower.

Well, my balls did swell up like Nicki Minaj's cousin's best friend's roommate, which now match the giant penis I got from eating horse paste (along with an embarrassing side effect of shitting in the middle of the street). As the poet-philosopher Meat Loaf said, two outta three ain't bad.

 

[Beachbummer]

Are you sure you did not have side effects from a Vasectomy? Don't ask how I know.

 

[Lurch]

Are you sure you did not have side effects from a Vasectomy? Don't ask how I know.

Idk - I sent Nicki a pic of mine so she could compare with her cousin's friend. I'll have to get back to you, but it's only a slightly less plausible theory

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Thats totally false but what about this?

Call me unimpressed.

I watched the first three minutes then it seems to repeat the same footage. This is an undercover interview of three scientist who work at Pfizer, none of whom claim to work on the virus or mention that they have any expertise with vaccines. Add in that none of them indicate that there was any issues with data supplied to the FDA in support of the vaccine.

Personally, I trust my colleagues in the FDA's Center for Biologics, over these these three scientists. Just because they are scientists doesn't mean they have an expertise in vaccine development. Hell, I have a science degree, but will admit I have zero experience in this field.

Jim

 

[Bruce]

Excellent news on vaccination. “Our results indicate that COVID-19 vaccinations from January until May 2021 were associated with an estimated reduction of more than 265,000 COVID-19 infections and nearly 39,000 deaths among Medicare beneficiaries.”

Associations Between County-level Vaccination Rates and COVID-19 Outcomes Among Medicare Beneficiaries in Early 2021

The purpose of this study is to identify associations between COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths among Medicare fee-for-service (FFS) beneficiaries and the proportion of the population fully vaccinated at the county-level between January and May 2021. We do so by using a...

aspe.hhs.gov

 

[Bizywk]

Of course. Get a second opinion.

More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker

Bloomberg counted up the shots administered in 184 countries and 59 US states and territories

www.bloomberg.com

6.3 billion doses given world wide. I'm not sure how much more evidence gathering is needed about its effectiveness. You can debate effectiveness of natural immunity vs the vaccine, but it's likely a splitting hairs argument. Plus, you shouldn't want to get covid to develop natural antibodies.

I just want to fly without masks again haha.

Flying without masks again would certainly be nice. I'm talking about the long term effects that no one can guarantee at this point with this new technology. We simply haven't had time to go through the normal clinical trials.

Most of those class action commercials we're bombarded with are for permanent health damage done by products that were once Government Approved.

 

[Bruce]

I'm talking about the long term effects that no one can guarantee at this point with this new technology. We simply haven't had time to go through the normal clinical trials.

That actually is one of the worst misunderstandings of this pandemic.

1. The mRNA vaccines completely wash out within a few days. All that is left behind is the antibodies that were generated in response to the vaccine.

2. The studies were conducted to the highest standards. Drug development was rapid but the studies were among the largest and most complete ever finding overwhelming evidence of safety and efficacy. The study data was peer reviewed by competing scientists through the highest quality journals and evaluated by medical organizations around the world.

This is informative on the Pfizer study. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

Study did not stop at approval. Pfizer has continued to sponsor ongoing study of safety and efficacy. There also are hundreds of additional studies looking at specific patient populations.

This is an example followup study https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345

This is an interesting independent review of the Pfizer and Moderna studies DEFINE_ME

 

[scbruet]

Flying without masks again would certainly be nice. I'm talking about the long term effects that no one can guarantee at this point with this new technology. We simply haven't had time to go through the normal clinical trials.

Most of those class action commercials we're bombarded with are for permanent health damage done by products that were once Government Approved.

What do you consider a normal clinical trial? I have no idea, but I know technology and medical advancement has sped up any previous timeline that would be in someones head. I can't imagine there was any drug development in history that was more funded, researched, closely monitored than this one.

 

[Adrian @ JB Solutions]

What do you consider a normal clinical trial? I have no idea, but I know technology and medical advancement has sped up any previous timeline that would be in someones head. I can't imagine there was any drug development in history that was more funded, researched, closely monitored than this one.

Still doesn't change the fact that there can be side effects 10 years down the road.

 

[scbruet]

Still doesn't change the fact that there can be side effects 10 years down the road.

I mean...we are starting to see long term effects of having covid though.....

 

[Adrian @ JB Solutions]

I mean...we are starting to see long term effects of having covid though.....

So if you already have had it - why risk long term side effects from two sides?

 

[Bruce]

Still doesn't change the fact that there can be side effects 10 years down the road.

Long term side effects are only possible from a substance that remains in the body for a long term. The mRNA vaccines wash out within days.

So if you already have had it - why risk long term side effects from two sides?

Even CoVID does not cause long term side effects. It causes multi organ strain and possible damage during the infection. The result of that damage is life limiting to some patients.

Some with long lasting CoVID symptoms have had those symptoms resolve after vaccination. They also receive greater protection against reinfection after vaccination.

 

[Lurch]

Long term side effects are only possible from a substance that remains in the body for a long term. The mRNA vaccines wash out within days.



Even CoVID does not cause long term side effects. It causes multi organ strain and possible damage during the infection. The result of that damage is life limiting to some patients.

Some with long lasting CoVID symptoms have had those symptoms resolve after vaccination. They also receive greater protection against reinfection after vaccination.

Unlikely does not mean not possible. There have been documented issues with these vaccines, which can have long-term impact. I'm just a simple data guy, but life-limiting organ damage from either the virus or the vaccine would fall into my definition of "long term side effects"

 

[Adrian @ JB Solutions]

Not that I am aware of. I haven't looked back through posts, but I have seen some of his posts "unapproved" as they literally added no value and one I saw was literally "stirring the pot" - which is why we "warn" people. If he got "temporarily banned", it could be because he reached the predetermined "Warning" limit that is published in our warning post. That is something the forum does automatically when you reach those preset levels.

Looks like he is still banned. Strong feeling admins/mods are using their personal opinion/judgement and using their power to fit their wants. Strong feeling I know which one it is too but don't want that to be construed as a personal attack.

Who owns the forum? Maybe it's time to start a yearly vote of who is mod/admin.

 

[Bruce]

@adrianp89, you should;

1. Correct your assumptions
2. Read Our Code of Conduct
3. Read Politics, religion and other volatile topics
4. Read New "warning" feature now live - No Personal Attacks, Partisan Politics etc
5. Get back on topic

 

[Adrian @ JB Solutions]

@adrianp89, you should;

1. Correct your assumptions
2. Read Our Code of Conduct
3. Read Politics, religion and other volatile topics
4. Read New "warning" feature now live - No Personal Attacks, Partisan Politics etc
5. Get back on topic

This sounds like a threat and personal attack to me.

 

[Lurch]

Looks like he is still banned. Strong feeling admins/mods are using their personal opinion/judgement and using their power to fit their wants. Strong feeling I know which one it is too but don't want that to be construed as a personal attack.

Who owns the forum? Maybe it's time to start a yearly vote of who is mod/admin.

It's illuminating that this thread is still open, being as divisive as it is. Clearly it's purpose is to maintain a pro-vax crusade despite negatively impacting the stated focus of this forum. Looking at that 3rd bullet, @Bruce, perhaps you should apply the site rules to this thread and close it down as many, including the OP, have requested?

 

[Adrian @ JB Solutions]

It's illuminating that this thread is still open, being as divisive as it is. Clearly it's purpose is to maintain a pro-vax crusade despite negatively impacting the stated focus of this forum. Looking at that 3rd bullet, @Bruce, perhaps you should apply the site rules to this thread and close it down as many, including the OP, have requested?

They don't seem to follow their own rules:

"No one moderator will ever make a descision to suspend or ban a member." - Julian had no idea EvilSports was banned. So I guess one person did it on their own?