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There is both study and public vaccination data. Your "example" is an incredible exaggeration.

Please provide credible information in future posts. Intentional disinformation is harmful.
It was meant to be an exaggeration to prove a point! I get the sense that you’re not even reading what you’re responding to.
 
There is both study and public vaccination data. Your "example" is an incredible exaggeration.

Please provide credible information in future posts. Intentional disinformation is harmful.

Plainly stated it was an exaggeration. I went back and edited the number so you may be comfortable with if that if makes you happy. What are the real numbers. Nobody is allowed to know. We will all know eventually and then we can have robust debates. What number of deaths are acceptable to you. What number of serious injuries are acceptable to you. You obviously have a number in your head and that is perfectly fine. My number may be different from yours and I do have the right to have that information so that I can make an informed decision. Please do not post all kinds of data generated like your previous study. I stopped reading after this sentence (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728. opens in new tab.). Time will tell what the true numbers are. I am certain that I nor you know.


 
It was meant to be an exaggeration to prove a point! I get the sense that you’re not even reading what you’re responding to.

Obviously you read a post and provide thoughtful feedback. Some people read half the post and move right on to rage typing. I am insult proof so I don't mind.
 
You might want to open your eyes a little and consider whose work you are furthering.

Personally I find your harm to America to be despicable.



Here's the thing that bothers you the most. I don't give a shit what you think about me.
I find your blatant one sided parroting of the so called facts to be despicable. Does that make us even?
 
Please do not post all kinds of data generated like your previous study. I stopped reading after this sentence (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728. opens in new tab.). Time will tell what the true numbers are. I am certain that I nor you know.


Please try to apply reading comprehension to this discussion. The study publication that you are complaining about is in fact for the clinical study that you are referencing.

But hey, your comrades and tongzhi would be proud.
 
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Please try to apply reading comprehension to this discussion. They study publication that you are complaining about is in fact for the clinical study that you are referencing.

But hey, your comrades and tongzhi would be proud.

You think you can bother me by calling me comrade or tongzhi (I admit I had to look that one up). I think you should step back from the keyboard because your rage is pure entertainment for me. Did you send your DD-214 yet. I checked my email and I can't find it. Maybe send it again once you find out what it is. We can continue later if you want but I actually use my boat and not my keyboard. Be back around midnight so carry on.

Have a nice day
 
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More and more information comes out every day.Waiting for the one that shows people with vaccine have a greater chance at xyz
I’m not surprised. With the flu shot peaking at 3 months before efficacy drops. Only difference is covid not seasonal. I don’t know what you expect. Considering virus behavior and vaccine efficacy.
 
Those of you who are so arrogant and sure of yourselves that you attack and belittle those who question what you believe are an absolute turnoff. You kill your ability to persuade with your arrogance. I have to agree with @crazy4life that it is quite entertaining though.
 
I’m not surprised. With the flu shot peaking at 3 months before efficacy drops. Only difference is covid not seasonal. I don’t know what you expect. Considering virus behavior and vaccine efficacy.

But it’s nothing like the flu….
 
Those of you who are so arrogant and sure of yourselves that you attack and belittle those who question what you believe are an absolute turnoff. You kill your ability to persuade with your arrogance. I have to agree with @crazy4life that it is quite entertaining though.
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But it’s nothing like the flu….
yes it’s worse
 
Those of you who are so arrogant and sure of yourselves that you attack and belittle those who question what you believe are an absolute turnoff. You kill your ability to persuade with your arrogance. I have to agree with @crazy4life that it is quite entertaining though.
Sorry you feel insecure. I would never shame anyone. Just giving my perspective. When I ask a question I am listening and want insight. Then you turn it around. Sorry if your offended. Actually I don’t know how you feel. So I am at a loss.
 
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More and more information comes out every day.Waiting for the one that shows people with vaccine have a greater chance at xyz

No shit. Read the actual article, or the primary source if you’re so inclined/equipped.

This is not unexpected, or even remotely novel. The longer the period between the time you acquire immunity to a pathogen (whether naturally or via vaccination), the longer it will take for your immune system to respond and remove it. The reduction in efficacy quoted here is of getting COVID and never experiencing a symptom, the protection against severe disease (what actually matters) remains unchanged at 97%. In layman’s terms, it means the longer the interval between immunization and insult, the longer it takes for your immune system to rev up, but rev it does and viral elimination occurs before you have a poor outcome.
 
Plainly stated it was an exaggeration. I went back and edited the number so you may be comfortable with if that if makes you happy. What are the real numbers. Nobody is allowed to know. We will all know eventually and then we can have robust debates. What number of deaths are acceptable to you. What number of serious injuries are acceptable to you. You obviously have a number in your head and that is perfectly fine. My number may be different from yours and I do have the right to have that information so that I can make an informed decision. Please do not post all kinds of data generated like your previous study. I stopped reading after this sentence (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728. opens in new tab.). Time will tell what the true numbers are. I am certain that I nor you know.
You know the virus definitely causes deaths and serious health issues. It's not like the vaccine exists for no reason or is killing/harming anywhere near the numbers that the virus is. It's not a perfect solution but its the best we have.

The problem with a lot of your arguments is that you're coming from a fairly illogical conspiracy theorist point of view. This is not an attack, it's just an observation:
- You are demanding answers that don't yet exist. You believe that the government/pharmas have a complete understanding and all the answers around covid and the vaccines, but that they choose to not share it with you so that they can...what?...ruin our lives with a toxic vaccine for fun? For mind control? For money? What?
- Then there's these fringe medical groups, for-profit publications, etc promoting alternative medicines and cures and you're willing to believe that those groups are definitely legit and have your best interests in mind, solely because the government is telling you to be careful with what those groups are saying?

The situation, this virus, and what we know about it is evolving every single day. Them changing their guidance or getting things wrong as it evolves is not "lies" that prove the conspiracy, its trying to chase a moving target. Mask guidance has gone up and down with what they are seeing as far as spread. Vaccine efficacy numbers are unfortunately moving because of virus variants that weren't prevalent when the vaccines were rolled out. That's just how complex problem solving goes.

If there were a silver bullet or magical medicine sitting on the shelf to cure covid they would use it. Trump would have used it, Biden would use it, most every other world leader would use it. If you distrust and fear the government, the society that you live in, and even your fellow jetboaters ? so much that you really believe the whole world is in on an evil conspiracy of this scale, then covid and the vaccine are the absolute least of your concerns. Hopefully you believed in our government and your fellow Americans on some level when you served, so why the hard turn now?

As far as the comments on personal attacks - you're kind of throwing it right back at people or even escalating, so it sounds kind of silly when you get all up in arms about it. Some of the comments are harsh, I'll give you that, but yours are as well. There is a difference between someone pointing out that you're referencing questionable information or not understanding the technical details (which I don't claim to understand) vs. someone just personally attacking you for who you are. Maybe let that stuff go a little bit and it will die down.
 
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More and more information comes out every day.Waiting for the one that shows people with vaccine have a greater chance at xyz
Are you seriously asking this in so called "good faith"? Or are you just bored out of your mind and decided to keep those empty balloons floating up in the air?
Or, are you feeling uneasy about this vaccine situation?
Is this a cry for help?

It's okay not to get vaccinated. Not everyone is a candidate. NOT everyone stands to benefit.

No one in their sound mind would question the premise and the usefulness of the covid vaccine utilization, in general, under the circumstances.

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The CDC is playing a major role in the mistrust of people. Their latest recommendation, which they have now reversed, of people wearing masks who’ve had the mRNA injections cited a pier reviewed study without mention that the study they cited had been rejected. They then disappeared the “rejected” footnotes from the study until they got called out on it. Even The NY Times reported this accurately. If you want people to trust the injections then stop manipulating the info.
Wasn't that study out of India and on a vaccine that isn't even approved here in the United States?
 
Are you seriously asking this in so called "good faith"?

To be fair, it is a headline that is attention grabbing and easy to misunderstand if you aren’t knowledgeable on the topic. Just like the announcement that the EUA for one of the RT-PCRs was being revoked with a suggestion to use a test that can differentiate between COVID and influenza (oH tHaTs wHaT haPPened to FlU!).

That’s really the crux of much of this. It’s information the average person isn’t equipped to readily understand, with headlines that can be misunderstood or intentionally manipulated to misinform.
 
You think you can bother me by calling me comrade or tongzhi (I admit I had to look that one up). I think you should step back from the keyboard because your rage is pure entertainment for me. Did you send your DD-214 yet. I checked my email and I can't find it. Maybe send it again once you find out what it is. We can continue later if you want but I actually use my boat and not my keyboard. Be back around midnight so carry on.

Have a nice day


I have been critical of how both sides have acted in this forum but as someone who served in the marines in combat multiple times I am not sure what a DD -214 has to do with this discussion. I know I didn’t serve so that others “owe” me something (quite the opposite). And actually speaking of military service, I was injected with all kinds of shit that I didn’t know what it was before Deployments.

That said I waited to get the vaccine. I was “skeptical” but ultimately weighed risk vs reward and got it. My wife was very opposed to it. Well, now she has Covid (luckily so far very very mild) but seeing her freak out about potentially having to go to the hospital when she found and felt bad reinforced my decision to get it and any booster needed.

Again, won’t shame anyone who feels differently. Just my view on this shitty situation
 
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