Just purchased 2020 195s, should I install Cobra Super Ultimate AK-19 DELUXE or JBP Thrust Vector X?

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

hello, so how do we know how high or low to mount in the down position?

The viper is fixed so if it were to strike something it is made to bend and give way in order to save the boat parts I can show pictures of several that were damaged seriously but fixed under my fix or repair warranty and NO damage to the nozzle or reverse gate, as for any of my steering with the word ultimate in it those are spring loaded, selectable and adjustable. keep in mind the rudder and keel do a good job of protecting my systems as those are fixed and at the lowest point of the back of the boat. here is an example of a viper striking a submerged stone wall 3 show the damage and the last is the same part after it was repairde under warranty, the nozzle was not harmed nor any other part of the boat to my knowledge so when people ask me about the viper I always let them know it is a fixed part

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

The super ultimate ak-19 deluxe is not fixed it is spring loaded and has numerous settings for you to choose from, I send you the info for where to start on the settings but the fins are spring loaded so if you strike something they just flip up and go back down plus you have the option of selecting up at speed mode although most people like the full time mode, note the location of the bottom of the fins in relation to the rudder guess what looses if you hit something hard . And all my steering has a 30 day satisfaction money back guarantee!

 

[Yamahaul]

thank you i have one. i have not opened my package yet. i was not aware we had mounting options. its patiently waiting on the boat.

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

hello, so how do we know how high or low to mount in the down position?

That was not my quote by the way this was a question ,my answer is below it in red
The Cobra Jet AK product is fixed in whatever down position is selected therefore no flex if an operator were to strike a branch bending of the fins and/or breakage is more likely to occur to the attachment points.
Absolutely incorrect like I said the tempered aluminum spring loaded fins don't go below your rudder and keel so guess what non flexible item will take the brunt of an impact.

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

thank you i have one. i have not opened my package yet. i was not aware we had mounting options. its patiently waiting on the boat.

I sent the info in an email with your tracking number if you can't find it let me know because I send a lot of pictures and info it may have been blocked,best advice I can give is when in doubt ASK ME!

 

[Nauti-Nurse]

you cannot use the lateral thrusters with a viper since they both use the bottom nozzle bolt to attach to the pump, I would say use the top fangs and the viper and you won't be giving up any of your reverse thrust or stopping power and the boat will turn in reverse excellently. Not to mention that system complete is discounted buy direct price of only $255 with free domestic priority mail also you will be gaining the planing surface for fast hole shots and get full time steering as well no more left right or the boat wandering at speed and it will not go off in some odd direction if you are rapidly reducing throttle while on plane. You can use the super ultimate AK deluxe with that boat also and this also provides a planing surface as well as full time fins spring loaded and made of tempered aluminum since that system does not use the bottom nozzle bolt if you were inclined to ad the lateral thruster to it keep in mind they threaten to not cover your part under warranty if you dare to mix and match but I don't do that even if the bottom bolt fell out as has happened from time to time and the lateral thruster damaged any of my systems I would still cover my system under my fix or repair warranty available for viewing on my web page. So good luck with your quest just remember it's the internet so let the reader beware. As for discounts I offer buy direct discounted pricing to all who order directly through my site I also add a special extra discount for first responders, and active or disabled military presonell, From the inovator of aftermarket steering for jet boats with 4 US patents and a 5th being issued all in one name, making jet boats steer and drivers smile since 2001

In theory... could both be used by replacing the factory nozzle bolt with one that is X=number of MM longer to accommodate the thickness of your Viper plate?

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

It is probably not a good idea, let me tell you what I have been told about the viper with the top fangs, I had some tests done and people were just blown away I even posted one of the first people who tried the top fangs after having the viper on the boat for a season and he loved it here is a thread where I posted this persons comments and some of his pictures. https://jetboaters.net/threads/things-you-do-when-you-cant-get-out-on-the-boat.25509/#post-426357
I noticed for some reason I have been getting a lot of the viper orders from NH, VT, ME, etc this year seems like one person gets it and then a lot more follow the crowd in any event I believe if you did try this very unique setup others would follow and I am trying to relax from the total hell I went through for 4 months keeping my inventory up constantly so I did not have to make customers wait for their orders and I keep the costs down by doing everything myself and this is getting tough to keep up with, remember I have been doing this for close to 2 decades and at 68 I feel the pain when I have to run in circles for 14 hours a day , just the last week things were starting to returning close to normal I probably have not even been out on the water more than a hand full of times in the past 4 months and this is just not me. So if you like what you have stick with it if you want to walk on the wild side go for it . but I do not recommend playing with the bottom bolt of the nozzle, that being said I know how to get around that issue , or maybe I am just pulling your leg about getting around it, but probably not . Well just like my anti weed intake grates I keep this secret.

 

[Hazey]

I am looking to buy my first jet boat, specifically a 212S. I tried looking at the Cobra website, but its a little hard to decipher. What is the purpose of these steering systems you are discussing?

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

A little messy that is being kind it sucks but not a lot I can do about it, so most people just contact me for info.

I am looking to buy my first jet boat, specifically a 212S. I tried looking at the Cobra website, but its a little messy. What is the purpose of these steering systems you are discussing?

Once you buy a boat and drive it you will understand, until then just sit back and relax.

 

[Jetboatdave]

Super ultimate ak-19 deluxe system is the one you should put on that boat, laser cut ,tempered aluminum, adjustable and selectable and they are designed so the super fins have the top portion up out of the water when the boat is on plane and totally in the water when it is at slow and no wake / idle speed. You decide the amount of the fins that are actually making contact with the water at speed. This system is made to keep the bottom of the fins at the level of the bottom of your keel and rudder so it does not increase the hulls draft . The system also has the planing surface added between the fins for a faster hole shot and a smoother ride in chop . The system does no remove the stainless steel standoffs that the reverse bucket pivots on nor does it require any epoxies for installation and there is never any plastic parts. The system ordered on my web site has a buy direct discounted price of only $268.99 with free domestic priority mail included . And installation is very easy usually .

How does the cobra knock down the turbulent wake for skiing, tubing etc?

 

[Jetboatdave]

the simple answer is "YES" - which one is up for debate, like the Coke or Pepsi debate. I went with Cobra and was super happy. I'm sure if i went with JBP, I would be just as happy. Pick one, install it, and enjoy.

Does the cobra help knock down the turbulent wake for skiing, tubing etc? Or have you heard the thrust vector is better at that task?

 

[Jubei99]

I would definitely recommend the Cobra Jet AK-19. I just recently purchased my boat last month. I took her out last week for the first time. I swear loading it back on to the trailer was a horrible experience. It took me several attempts to get it on. I couldn't steer it straight for my life. I would have it all lined up then my back in would just start to drift one way or the other. I finally got the cobra's installed couple days ago. All I can say is WOW... It was night and day difference. Also, I was able to use my Yamaha Wakebooster with it. Surfing skills need a lot of help. But that's another story. Lol...

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

How does the cobra knock down the turbulent wake for skiing, tubing etc?

planing surface between the fins mounted on the nozzle. ONLY on the deluxe versions though.

 

[kgower]

Super ultimate ak-19 deluxe system is the one you should put on that boat, laser cut ,tempered aluminum, adjustable and selectable and they are designed so the super fins have the top portion up out of the water when the boat is on plane and totally in the water when it is at slow and no wake / idle speed. You decide the amount of the fins that are actually making contact with the water at speed. This system is made to keep the bottom of the fins at the level of the bottom of your keel and rudder so it does not increase the hulls draft . The system also has the planing surface added between the fins for a faster hole shot and a smoother ride in chop . The system does no remove the stainless steel standoffs that the reverse bucket pivots on nor does it require any epoxies for installation and there is never any plastic parts. The system ordered on my web site has a buy direct discounted price of only $268.99 with free domestic priority mail included . And installation is very easy usually .

Super ultimate ak-19 deluxe system: Just put a deposit down on 2021 Yamaha 195 S (February/March delivery Friday). Based on the forum and reviews on your website it appears that this would be the correct application to purchase. Please confirm. Thanks

 

[Yamahaul]

Super ultimate ak-19 deluxe system: Just put a deposit down on 2021 Yamaha 195 S (February/March delivery Friday). Based on the forum and reviews on your website it appears that this would be the correct application to purchase. Please confirm. Thanks

Yes. It will be fine. Same one I have. Same boat.

 

[robby76]

For my 2021 195 FSH CC Sport, my research after my maiden outing pointed me towards the COBRA Deluxe. My research found the MAJORITY of our members here have this UPGRADE. YES COBRA has an install video and if you pay ATTENTION Jeff explains what each part of it does.
Yes my order is on the way.
Enjoy the video...PAY ATTENTION!

 

[swatski]

^^^ what he said.
Cobra's videos may not be flushy but there is no bull.
And apropos, anyone with older style cleanout plugs (not-screw-in) - do yourself a favor and get Cobra's EZ Locks, before you have your first blowout. Like, @robby76 said, pay attention when installing, it's all there in Cobra's short vid.

BTW - can;t believe we are still having this debate, lol. I stumbled on this thread, thinking this is nuts. Cobra all the way. ESPECIALLY in singles, those make a huge difference in handling and water sports.

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[swatski]

you want more control at speed? I guess I just don't understand that statement. I've driving inboards, I/O, Outboards, and Jets, and at speed, I haven't really noticed a discernible difference in the amount of control at speed in any of those boats, including my 212X before I put the TVs on.

There is not much difference in steering jetboats vs prop boats when at speed/on plane as long as you are generating thrust.
However, the moment you ease off on the throttles of a jet boat while still at speed/on plane, jetboat becomes a floating log as far as steering; it tends to continue plowing ahead in the direction it was pointed the moment the throttles were pulled back...
In my opinion, why deprive yourself of the ability to steer the boat while slowing down. Anyone who has navigated a jetboat in a narrow curvy channel at speed would know what I'm talking about; it is just my opinion but a strong one - backed by first hand experience and soiled underwear, lol.

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[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

After nearly 20 years of making jet boats steer and drivers smile it's another year for the new class of 2021. I don't recall @swatski even having upgraded his steering system to the new super system but even with the regular Cobra system he could make his jet boat do an S turn with no thrust.
https://jetboaters.net/threads/new-...ons-past-and-present.20494/page-2#post-371448

So as I posted on a facebook page recently do you want all the features and benefits as well as the ability to set the influence to your personal preference and allow you and your guests to feel comfortable operating the boat without a huge learning curve etc. And there are various systems to deal with different size and styles of boats not one size fits all .

Something I posted on one of the jet boat facebook pages recently regarding my steering as opposed to other products ///////////// Jeffrey T. Walkowiak//////
There is an old saying if it's worth doing do it correctly.
I have special model specific steering systems that provide excellent slow speed steering enhancement as well as high speed handling to fill in the voids including maintaining control as you rapidly decelerate, and allowing you to handle rough water better and make high speed turns without huge speed bleed off.
This system even adds a second tie rod to your original system to balance out the work load and add redundancy to your existing setup, specially designed laser cut tempered aluminum steering fins , NO PLASTIC PARTS!
The outer fins are adjustable as they provide both slow speed and high speed assistance, without hanging down low or even being as low as the original keel and rudder to avoid increasing the hulls draft.
There are also inner top fins that only come into play when the boat is going slow in no wake and off plane speeds to increase the boats slow speed handling in both forward and reverse, these are also made of tempered aluminum and there is a special side force stabilizer fin bracket that also provides a faster hole shot and a smoother ride in chop while protecting the jet streams exiting the nozzles to give a better cleaner wake for tubes.
All this for a buy direct discount price of only $489.99 Easy to install and it does not require removing the stainless steel standoffs from your reverse buckets.
There is also a spring loaded version called the super ultimate ak-19 for buy direct discount price of $569.99 and special ones for the earlier AK twin engine boats made between 2015 and 2018 from the innovator of aftermarket jet boat and P W C steering.
I make systems for ALL year and models of Yamaha jet boats as well as other makes.
The system below is made for articulating keel twin engine Yamaha jet boats model year 2019 and newer and is also available for the new 27 foot models as well. So with something as important as this it's sort of like choosing a cell phone do you want a flip phone or a smart phone with the latest features and benefits for you to enjoy at very similar prices, so it's sort of a no brainer. More features and benefits and a much more practical design, from the innovator of aftermarket jet boat steering. Now this was addressing the latest twin engine systems for various AK boats however the same applies for the 19 foot boats without keels or with keels and with the latest nozzle designs. the left right steering corrections and the loss of control when rapidly decelerating as well as the ability to make high speed turns regardless of accelerating or decelerating. Even deluxe versions of the super Ultimate ak and ak-19 single engine systems , but there is also the viper for all variations of the 19 foot boats and the new top fangs for even more slow speed assistance in forward and reverse. There are basic systems and system upgrades, priced at buy direct discount prices to give you sale pricing all year long. So make your choice and remember if you choose another make of steering that has you remove the small stainless steel standoffs from your reverse hoods be sure to save them just in case you decide you want a different system because we never remove those from the factory parts.
cobrajetsteering.com making jet boats steer and drivers smile since 2001 with 5 US patents . Do your research, buy your last system first.

 

[kgower]

I have an 2020 AR210, used it 4 or so times first. It did get squirrely at no wake speeds, especially in super high traffic areas where, because of other clowns on the water, you didn't want to wander. Also at WOT and Pulling water sports the boat handled fine but got pushed around a bit in the chop.

I ordered the" Super Magnum AK-19 DELUXE", put them on and haven't looked back. No Wake and slow the boat tracks much better and very noticeable.

Towing and WOT, boat tracks straight and I can even take my hand of the wheel and it will track fine. Hole shot is a bit better as well.

I like em and they will be on my Next Yamaha if that day comes.

Do people drive good with out them, yes. I prefer the Power Steering effect they give. Also the Ass End of the boat doesn't feel as sloppy/sloshy as it did without them on.

Cannot give you any info about Thrust Vectors since I haven't used them.

Wish Yamaha offered a tandem trailer for the 19's.