The Vaccine

[tabbibus]

Seems like lots of legislation changes coming up on the next hour to days regarding vaccinations. hoooooooo boy

 

[Lurch]

Seems like lots of legislation changes coming up on the next hour to days regarding vaccinations. hoooooooo boy

Executive action...but yeah. This will go over well.

 

[GiddYupJoe]

Seems like lots of legislation changes coming up on the next hour to days regarding vaccinations. hoooooooo boy

I’m a DoD employee and am vaccinated. This is going to be interesting navigating it with my employees! Interested to see how many actually say F it and quit…. Doubt many.

 

[Tgen2013]

PS,...how many of you out there are pragmatists. Right or wrong corrupt or not, how many of you have large cap mutual fund interests with Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J in them ?

Doing quite well arent they. Oh capitalism, aint she grand...................................

 

[Bruce]

I’m a DoD employee and am vaccinated. This is going to be interesting navigating it with my employees! Interested to see how many actually say F it and quit…. Doubt many.

My youngest brother is a three letter contractor, ex CISO of UAH, he had CoVID and monoclonal antibodies. He was waiting until his antibody levels dropped before getting vaccinated but took the J&J vaccine instead of submitting to weekly testing. He had perhaps 36 tough hours when his immune system attacked the vaccine but was all good after that. I expect his antibody titers are through the roof now.

 

[Bruce]

large cap mutual fund interests with Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J in them

Would have been a great investment in 2019.

I avoid medical investments as I feel too close to medical study and do not want to be conflicted.

P.S. I see that you are quite the hero. Not appropriate for this thread but why not tell us about your career?

 

[AZMark]

I’m a DoD employee and am vaccinated. This is going to be interesting navigating it with my employees! Interested to see how many actually say F it and quit…. Doubt many.

Ya, this job market isn’t going to be non-competitive forever.

There seem to be a lot of people that believe (or are at least acting like they believe with their wallets and careers) that a global pandemic has somehow improved the economy on a sustainable basis. I wouldn’t want to be the one without a chair when the music stops.

 

[Evil Sports]

To follow the Tgen post, I had Covid in December, no lung involvement but 9 days with a 99-101 fever. After I gave plasma at the red cross and tracked my antibodies monthly. As a professional Entomologist Im called to visit healthcare facilities which are requiring all vendors to be vaxd. I decided to get the J&J due to already having a significant antibody response from a previous infection. 12 hours after the shot I had full on symptoms again and it lasted another 24 hours, then I was fine.

I may be way off track here but over the past 40 years when we used 1 insecticide group over and over again we saw resistance and mutation of nerve receptors causing strains of insects that were no longer controlled by this group of compounds. I'm hoping we dont see something like this from the reusing of the same vaccines.

 

[Lurch]

Would have been a great investment in 2019.

I avoid medical investments as I feel too close to medical study and do not want to be conflicted.

P.S. I see that you are quite the hero. Not appropriate for this thread but why not tell us about your career?

@Bruce, I realize written communication doesn't convey tone, but calling a poster a hero based on an avatar/service seems pretty snarky from this side of my keyboard.

 

[AZMark]

To follow the Tgen post, I had Covid in December, no lung involvement but 9 days with a 99-101 fever. After I gave plasma at the red cross and tracked my antibodies monthly. As a professional Entomologist Im called to visit healthcare facilities which are requiring all vendors to be vaxd. I decided to get the J&J due to already having a significant antibody response from a previous infection. 12 hours after the shot I had full on symptoms again and it lasted another 24 hours, then I was fine.

I may be way off track here but over the past 40 years when we used 1 insecticide group over and over again we saw resistance and mutation of nerve receptors causing strains of insects that were no longer controlled by this group of compounds. I'm hoping we dont see something like this from the reusing of the same vaccines.

How do you do antibody tests? You have to pay for it?

 

[yam240sx]

what is ADE and does anyone think this will hit vaccinated ? with variants

 

[Evil Sports]

Yes I paid for them once I stopped doing plasma donations with the RedCross. They were simple lgA and lgG tests

 

[Bruce]

I may be way off track here but over the past 40 years when we used 1 insecticide group over and over again we saw resistance and mutation of nerve receptors causing strains of insects that were no longer controlled by this group of compounds. I'm hoping we dont see something like this from the reusing of the same vaccines.

It is natural selection. The insects with the greatest resistance to the insecticide thrive after competition is killed off.

The same happens with antibiotic resistant bacteria. When antibiotics are highly present such as in a hospital the most prevalent bacteria are mutations which are antibiotic resistant.

In a population with herd immunity to a virus mutations which escape the existing immunity will be the most prevalent. Viruses such as influenza mutate rapidly leading to short periods of effectiveness for vaccines. Coronaviruses mutate more slowly which is hoped to provide longer lasting benefit. Additionally those with previous immunity through infection, vaccination or both will likely experience a mild illness when exposed to new, but similar, mutations, especially when the exposure is minimal though a mask. If SARS-CoV-2 continues to circulate the effect is likely to become similar to that of the coronaviruses that cause the common cold.

There was a recent publication on super immunity after vaccination and contraction of the virus. I will post it when I see it again.

 

[Bruce]

@Bruce, I realize written communication doesn't convey tone, but calling a poster a hero based on an avatar/service seems pretty snarky from this side of my keyboard.

That comment was about his career. Nothing to do with his avatar.

 

[Farny]

This thread seems to always be up there and active. Throwing a my 2 more cents/ sense in. As long as folks have the CHOICE to take the RNA treatment or not take it based on their own situation/ conversation with their doctor based on their own risk assessment I don’t have a problem with it. Personally no one in my immediate family will ever get it. All had covid, all came out just fine, Doctor says T cell memory and immunity may last up to 16 years based on what they know about Cov-1. Trusting god and the amazing immune system he created in us.

 

[Bruce]

How do you do antibody tests? You have to pay for it?

It is a blood test that would be conducted by a lab. Your doctor or a local commercial lab should be able to order it.

You want a quantitative or semi-quantitative test so that you have a number for comparison rather than a yes or no answer.

There is a publication out of Israel that compared IgG levels in medical workers who were infected to those who were not. I posted in in this thread. If you get tested and want something to compare to message me and I will find it.

This is one of the tests Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

 

[AZMark]

Yes I paid for them once I stopped doing plasma donations with the RedCross. They were simple lgA and lgG tests

Is it something a layperson can interpret as far as what your antibody levels are? My father has been asking me about this before he gets a 3rd shot and I keep blowing him off.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

PS,...how many of you out there are pragmatists. Right or wrong corrupt or not, how many of you have large cap mutual fund interests with Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J in them ?

Doing quite well arent they. Oh capitalism, aint she grand...................................

Okay, I'll bite.

I do NOT have any financial interest in Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J. I also have NO financial interest in any firm that manufacturers pharmaceuticals or vaccines. For the Federal Agency that I work for they are all Significantly Regulated Organizations (SRO's) and I am ethically prohibited from having this type of interest.

Jim

 

[Lurch]

Ya, this job market isn’t going to be non-competitive forever.

There seem to be a lot of people that believe (or are at least acting like they believe with their wallets and careers) that a global pandemic has somehow improved the economy on a sustainable basis. I wouldn’t want to be the one without a chair when the music stops.

I'd argue that there's not much about this economy that's sustainable. That being said, requiring govt contractors, which will likely extend to subcontractors, to mandate a vaccine WILL impact that labor pool. There is just too much demand for skilled labor. On the other hand, given the size of fed.gov and the amount of money it spends (not to mention the state govts that will follow suit), a non-insignificant percentage of the competition for that labor will be .gov contractors or subcontractors as well. We live in interesting times...

 

[Bruce]

what is ADE and does anyone think this will hit vaccinated ? with variants

I believe you are asking about antibody-dependent enhancement. The vaccine studies and data on breakthrough illness in vaccinated persons show that ADE is not currently occurring.

This publication suggests that ADE is unlikely to occur but I am not well read on the subject and I suspect there are other similar publications.

"Might COVID-19 vaccines sensitize humans to antibody-dependent enhanced (ADE) breakthrough infections? This is unlikely because coronavirus diseases in humans lack the clinical, epidemiological, biological, or pathological attributes of ADE disease exemplified by dengue viruses (DENV). In contrast to DENV, SARS and MERS CoVs predominantly infect respiratory epithelium, not macrophages. Severe disease centers on older persons with preexisting conditions and not infants or individuals with previous coronavirus infections. Live virus challenge of animals given SARS or MERS vaccines resulted in vaccine hypersensitivity reactions (VAH), similar to those in humans given inactivated measles or respiratory syncytial virus vaccines. Safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines must avoid VAH."

COVID-19 Vaccines: Should We Fear ADE?

Coronavirus vaccines have sensitized animals to enhanced disease during live virus challenge. Predominant infection of parenchymal not myeloid cells lessen

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