The Vaccine

[crazy4life]

I love it, how United is dealing with religious exceptions: unpaid leave.

The gov mandate, what's the big deal? I said this before, how is it different than mandatory kids vaccinations to attend school??? - which we have had for decades, along with every other country in the so called developed world.

Except with are becoming less developed - is it due to social media peddling misinfo being so easy?

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That arguement is missing one very salient point. If you home school your children they do not have to be vaccinated. A little different then saying all children must be vaccinated.

 

[swatski]

By developed, do you means Socialist ??? LOL

I don't know any socialist / communist country that I would consider as developed.

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[swatski]

That arguement is missing one very salient point. If you home school your children they do not have to be vaccinated. A little different then saying all children must be vaccinated.

You can quit working for any employer who requires you to be vaccinated, including the government, and home school your unvaccinated children.

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[crazy4life]

You can quit working for any employer who requires you to be vaccinated, including the government, and home school your unvaccinated children.

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Agreed

 

[Lurch]

No.
Some antibodies cross, but not much.
Of course you can find things if you are a lurch, it's the internet after all, lol. Than you can spew it back out at 5 posts an hour, lolol.

But back to T cells, there are some g/d (gamma delta) T cells that can penetrate and reside in decidua, but it's all minor and of unclear significance.

The only reasonably informative test for covid exposure-induced immunity would be the T-Detect, as I posted before, in my view.

Antibody tests are rather meaningless. The way the tests are done. Just binding to viral antigens does not distinguish between antibodies that are protective, and some can actually be protective for the virus.

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Lol, you're one thin-skinned dude. Still waiting on you to back up your claim.

 

[Jim_in_Delaware]

Chicago just tried to mandate the vax for all their Cops. Immediately their FOP filed a lawsuit. Injunction on that. Even in that clown town.
I also heard from a CPD fella I know that their FOP was threatening lawsuits if the department even tried to "ask" about vax status. Good Ole HIPPA. If its fine to protect people from knowing if you take AIDS meds, or if your taking anti-psychotics, then how can you ask for the other,....huh,.huh,..yeah. Cant have it both ways can you. Dam that pesky word consistent.

From the HHS website, FAQ #3028 - If my employer requires proof of my COVID-19 vaccination status, does that violate my rights under HIPAA?

In general, the HIPAA Rules do not apply to employers or employment records. HIPAA only applies to HIPAA covered entities – health care providers, health plans, and health care clearinghouses – and, to some extent, to their business associates. If an employer asks an employee to provide proof that they have been vaccinated, that is not a HIPAA violation, and employees may decide whether to provide that information to their employer.

Jim

 

[crazy4life]

="swatski, post: 569236, member: 3178
Of course you can find things if you are a lurch, it's the internet after all, lol. Than you can spew it back out at 5 posts an hour, lolol.

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Paging the mods. Is this not a personnel attack. 90% of the dustups in this thread are created by this 1 petulant child and the two hipocrites that run this site continue to let him attack at will.
This post is just to inflame and demean nothing more.
I got a warning and a strike just for saying this man is salty because his Nobel trophy got lost in the mail.
Tell me how many points is this worth?

Paging @AZMark. I think this guy needs one of your tone remarks.

 

[swatski]

Lol, you're one thin-skinned dude. Still waiting on you to back up your claim.

I did. it's obvious it's easier for you to keep posting / trolling than read with comprehension.
I'm not here to clean up your shitty posts, misquoting me, regardless.

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[swatski]

[QUOTE="swatski, post: 569236, member: 3178
Of course you can find things if you are a lurch, it's the internet after all, lol. Than you can spew it back out at 5 posts an hour, lolol.

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Paging the mods. Is this not a personnel attack.
This post is just to inflame and demean nothing more.
I got a warning and a strike just for saying this man is salty because his Nobel trophy got lost in the mail.
Tell me how many points is this worth?

Paging @AZMark. I think this guy needs one of your tone remarks.
[/QUOTE]
lolololol.

EDIT: "personnel attack"? lololol.

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[Crob83]

Ivermectin flying off Phoenix feed store shelves for COVID despite controversy

Store owners say they normally order a couple of dozen packs of the drug and that would last a month. Now, they're ordering cases of 100 that are gone in

www.azfamily.com

Sucks to be a horse, now they’re getting hit by the covid shortages.

These people are a whole another breed of fucking stupid, it's truly shocking.

 

[AZMark]

Paging the mods. Is this not a personnel attack. 90% of the dustups in this thread are created by this 1 petulant child and the two hipocrites that run this site continue to let him attack at will.
This post is just to inflame and demean nothing more.
I got a warning and a strike just for saying this man is salty because his Nobel trophy got lost in the mail.
Tell me how many points is this worth?

Paging @AZMark. I think this guy needs one of your tone remarks.

Haha…I don’t think saying he reposts 5 times an hour is much of an attack. @Lurch will be fine.

 

[AZMark]

Ugh @crazy4life what the hell did you do to these quotes!!!

 

[crazy4life]

Paging the mods. Is this not a personnel attack. 90% of the dustups in this thread are created by this 1 petulant child and the two hipocrites that run this site continue to let him attack at will.
This post is just to inflame and demean nothing more.
I got a warning and a strike just for saying this man is salty because his Nobel trophy got lost in the mail.
Tell me how many points is this worth?

Paging @AZMark. I think this guy needs one of your tone remarks.

Haha…I don’t think saying he reposts 5 times an hour is much of an attack. @Lurch will be fine.
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what do think about saying he is just salty because his Nobel trophy got lost in the mail. Worth a warning and strike? You convently left out the first part of that sentence I see.

 

[crazy4life]

Ugh @crazy4life what the hell did you do to these quotes!!!

Old eyes and small phone screen. Feel free to correct them.them

 

[swatski]

This is pathetic.

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[Crob83]

This is pathetic.

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This whole thread is LMFAO funny

 

[Bruce]

I am disappointed by the antagonizing posts in this thread. Please stay on topic.

 

[crazy4life]

Can any of the scientist’s on here explain to me why people with a prior infrction have to get the vaccine. Here is the conclusion on the latest study out of Israel.

Final conclusions

The findings suggest that natural immunity provides longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant, compared with the protection of the Pfizer-BioNTech two-dose vaccine, the researchers conclude.

In addition, those with natural immunity exhibit additional protection against the Delta variant when given a single dose of the vaccine, according to the results.

The researchers are continuing to investigate the long-term protection provided by a third dose, or booster, of this vaccine.

Protection against Delta: Comparing vaccines and natural immunity

Researchers in Israel have compared the relatively long-term protection of natural immunity with that acquired from a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Would a anti body test be more accurate in determining who should get a vaccine. In theory a person who got the J&J vacine or any of the other 2 could have less anti bodies then a person that has had Covid. I am not a professional when it comes to anti bodies but i would have to agree with the argument being made by the people that have already had covid. Think I read an article sonewhere that a guy sued his employer and won because of the level of anti bodies in his blood. I think there will be many more suites of this nature.

 

[Bruce]

@crazy4life, that is a preprint that has not yet been reviewed. It may or may not be confirmed for publication and is in disagreement with other publications on the topic some of which have gone through greater review. For example a recent CDC publication found 2+ times less likelihood of reinfection in individuals who had recovered from SARS-CoV-2 then been vaccinated.

Typically in medical research competing publications are published after peer review until an eventual consensus is reached. This normally happens in journals that are not followed by the general public. With CoVID-19 there is great public interest but we need to avoid jumping to conclusions based on early data. Also the media reporting, even medical press, often is sensationalized.

In my personal life I consider a recently recovered person to be as safe as a vaccinated person assuming they have a functional immune system.

Quantitative antibody testing before vaccination would be a useful tool for determining who would benefit from vaccination. Governments and large medical agencies have to be considerate of creating complexity. Most Americans would benefit from vaccination so the easiest route is to require for all. Once the relevant statues are published they may contain exceptions for persons who can prove they have antibodies. A threshold would need to be established for a sufficient antibody level which would require further research.

As far as biology goes I am an amateur but I hope that helps.

 

[crazy4life]

@crazy4life, that is a preprint that has not yet been reviewed. It may or may not be confirmed for publication and is in disagreement with other publications on the topic some of which have gone through greater review. For example a recent CDC publication found 2+ times less likelihood of reinfection in individuals who had recovered from SARS-CoV-2 then been vaccinated.

Typically in medical research competing publications are published after peer review until an eventual consensus is reached. This normally happens in journals that are not followed by the general public. With CoVID-19 there is great public interest but we need to avoid jumping to conclusions based on early data. Also the media reporting, even medical press, often is sensationalized.

In my personal life I consider a recently recovered person to be as safe as a vaccinated person assuming they have a functional immune system.

Quantitative antibody testing before vaccination would be a useful tool for determining who would benefit from vaccination. Governments and large medical agencies have to be considerate of creating complexity. Most Americans would benefit from vaccination so the easiest route is to require for all. Once the relevant statues are published they may contain exceptions for persons who can prove they have antibodies. A threshold would need to be established for a sufficient antibody level which would require further research.

As far as biology goes I am an amateur but I hope that helps.

Thank you for a succent and to the point response.