Yamaha surf wake wedge reveal!!! Warning pic heavy

[OrangeTJ]

I would love a MasterCraft, but reality is, my kids are more into tubing now. I don't know what happenned. Last year all they wanted to do was wakeboard, now all they want to do is cove out and do the rope swing ( occasionally surf after I beg them). And that's been most of our boating this season - run to the cove to meet up with friends and watch the kids paddle around and do the cliff jump and rope swing. GREAT!
So me and the wife have actually been discussing the MasterCraft (that I want) is so out, and the Cobalt 232 WSS she wants is so so in.

Our current boat use is quite a bit like this. In my opinion, our Yamaha is just about perfect for this type of boating. They really are fantastic for anchoring in a cove, hanging out on, swimming off of and pulling tubes and the occasional wakeboarder.

 

[octavio3311]

I completely agree. It's a perfect all around boat. Not specializing in anything particular, but good at everything.

 

[sysinu]

RE: the Cobalt conversation... you can only power through shit if you're sitting down or have the boat loaded up with god knows how much weight is needed. Our Cobalt it sounded like we were slamming into a wall when 2' rollers would slam the hull if we were going over 12MPH. The newer design makes that a little less of an issue but when the waves cusp the lines of the hull you'll either get a HISS or a SLAM if the boat is empty. Been in everything from a 200 to a 242 and it's the same either way if it's not loaded up or ballast filled (in WSS).

Also for the Cobalt, they would have such a beautifully surfable wake ... if only you didn't have to worry about your legs getting lopped off for leaning too far forward ;-).

 

[txav8r]

For $700-800, I think you could add from tabs and force the bow to cut instead of bounce through heavier chop and waves. Talk to @Bruce who installed tabs on his 230. I think you could improve ride quality pretty easy by comparison. But getting the cobalt or other model to meet some challengers that the Yamaha excels at would be tougher...like economics, ease of maintenance, ease of winterization, etc. Not defending here, just putting it out there that you can do more to make a Yamaha line some other boats than you could do to other boats to make them model a yamahas good qualities. For that matter, I could put tabs, perfect pass, a wedge, ballast, tuck and rolled leather, Berber carpets, and the best stereo on the planet and not increase my cost to what those boats are. If money were no object, I would have a dockominium, a cruiser, and a Yamaha!

 

[sysinu]

@txav8r if money were no object, you'd be that guy with the yacht that has a garage door for his 34' runabout? .

I've actually thought about tabs for handling more rough water, but I really just don't see it. If you're under power and want to handle worse weather, fill your ski locker ballast. I have 800# in my ski locker and when I fill that, it makes a world of difference. If the rollers are high, I fill my aft ballast and run a little slower. In my Cobalt, if I didn't want to nock someone out from shock... I'd be handling rough 3' rollers at the speed of the rollers themselves (literally sitting on the roller and riding it out). Same 3' rollers this year in the Yamaha and I just filled the ski locker and blasted through them. As long as the weight to displacement ratio makes sense, it's not too bad of a ride either way.

That said... tabs might still be a good idea.


and that said... How can we incorporate trim tabs in with this surf wedge idea to even further customize a surfable wake... ...

 

[OrangeTJ]

So the 2004 Cobalt 220 I was referring to in my previous post did have 6 guys on board (probably about 200lbs each), but that's about it. We were out on Lake Tahoe in mid-day whitecap chop mixed with wakes from much bigger boats. We were running about 25 mph or so and it was waaaaaaaay smoother than my Yamaha would have been. That said, I do love our Yamaha and it is far less expensive to purchase and own. Really my only "gripe" about our Yammie is the lack of ability to serenely cruise at sub-planing speeds and the level of engine noise when underway. It's loud, and that's all the more noticeable when I get out of other people's boats and into ours. I think trim tabs could get me generally close to the in-chop ride I'm looking for. I compensate for not being able to putt along at 5 - 8 mph by just not doing it, although I'd like to from time to time. I don't believe there's really anything that can be done to bring the noise level down in line with any boat that has thru-hub underwater exhaust, considering my boat has two high revving engines exhausting thru-hull above water and transmitting resonance through the hull. Oh, well, I can live with it and still have a blast out on the lake on our boat.

Sorry for the threadjack! The wedges that started this post look very cool and that wake looks really phenomenal!

 

[sysinu]

So the 2004 Cobalt 220 I was referring to in my previous post did have 6 guys on board (probably about 200lbs each), but that's about it. We were out on Lake Tahoe in mid-day whitecap chop mixed with wakes from much bigger boats. We were running about 25 mph or so and it was waaaaaaaay smoother than my Yamaha would have been. That said, I do love our Yamaha and it is far less expensive to purchase and own. Really my only "gripe" about our Yammie is the lack of ability to serenely cruise at sub-planing speeds and the level of engine noise when underway. It's loud, and that's all the more noticeable when I get out of other people's boats and into ours. I think trim tabs could get me generally close to the in-chop ride I'm looking for. I compensate for not being able to putt along at 5 - 8 mph by just not doing it, although I'd like to from time to time. I don't believe there's really anything that can be done to bring the noise level down in line with any boat that has thru-hub underwater exhaust, considering my boat has two high revving engines exhausting thru-hull above water and transmitting resonance through the hull. Oh, well, I can live with it and still have a blast out on the lake on our boat.

Sorry for the threadjack! The wedges that started this post look very cool and that wake looks really phenomenal!

YEAH, jeez... you're 100% of the cause for the thread jack! ;-). To continue that jack and then maybe bring it back on course... the 220 absolutely has a hull to handle waves beyond the Yamaha hull. The 220 also weighs almost a TON (1,820lbs) more than its yamaha counter part . Like I say... Weight to displacement ratio is key here.


Now going back to the wedge. Again, no legs lost when surfing behind a Yamaha with this wedge!

Did I mention I would love to be a guinea pig for the '14 242LS wedge?

 

[Ronnie]

Have you posted this on yjb or tried to? I bet there are more than a few members there that would be interest in this.

 

[jcyamaharider]

Have you posted this on yjb or tried to? I bet there are more than a few members there that would be interest in this.

I have not but I will.

 

[jcyamaharider]

We will see how long it stays up in the YJB site. I know he doesn't want outside vendors....LOL

 

[Murf'n'surf]

Maybe 20 dollars?

Careful on your shipping quote. I ship a lot if stuff and $20 doesn't buy much at UPS these days. Take one of those bad boys in to get a quote!

 

[Ronnie]

I agree with murf on estimating shipping. USPS seems to be the least expensive way to go but even they base their prices on more than weight. If the package exceeds what they consider standard size the price to ship it can increase logarithmically. I've been burned big time shipping a large styrofoam rc plane wing and a single slolom water ski. Both relatively light but non standard in size.

 

[jcyamahariders wife]

Yeah I just paid 50 bucks to ship my new wakesurf board - yikes ! But worth it I guess because I ordered it Monday night and it's arriving Friday so can't complain ! I can see the wedge costing more than 20 from the weight and size box but your never know !

 

[jcyamaharider]

That's why I had the question mark.

 

[sysinu]

Strike a deal w/ amazon, everyone can use my prime account! ;-).

 

[farrelltravis]

I used to ship a lot of stuff when I had an ebay store. One of the things I shipped a lot was custom made license plates. It cost something like $1.87 to ship to someone in the US. However, to send the same thing to someone in Canada was $1.56. The post office can be crazy!! Definitely get a quote. Who would have ever thought it would have been cheaper to send something (from the US) to Canada than to the US.

 

[lashburn1]

RE: the Cobalt conversation... you can only power through shit if you're sitting down or have the boat loaded up with god knows how much weight is needed. Our Cobalt it sounded like we were slamming into a wall when 2' rollers would slam the hull if we were going over 12MPH. The newer design makes that a little less of an issue but when the waves cusp the lines of the hull you'll either get a HISS or a SLAM if the boat is empty. Been in everything from a 200 to a 242 and it's the same either way if it's not loaded up or ballast filled (in WSS).

Also for the Cobalt, they would have such a beautifully surfable wake ... if only you didn't have to worry about your legs getting lopped off for leaning too far forward ;-).

Surfing behind an I/O is nothing short of Dangerous.....and Illegal in any Place the Authorities have their wits about them....

Jets and Inboards are the only safe way to Surf at this time...

Interesting to hear a bout the Cobalt riding rough....always heard the were solid in Chop until now...

 

[sysinu]

Surfing behind an I/O is nothing short of Dangerous.....and Illegal in any Place the Authorities have their wits about them....

Jets and Inboards are the only safe way to Surf at this time...

Interesting to hear a bout the Cobalt riding rough....always heard the were solid in Chop until now...

They are solid if you load them up. I posted something somewhere sometime (might have been YJB, the hull truth or waynes words) that talked about this a little more, but in general it has to do with your boats mass vs surface area as to how hard you'll get slammed by the wave. It's like hitting a full garbage can with your car. If you're in a kia that weighs nothing, it's going to slam you around, if you're in a truck, you're going to blast that thing into the air. The more mass you have divided into the surface area that contacts the water... the better the handling. We didn't have anything in our Cobalt (it was still pretty heavy) for the most part and hitting a wave would slam you pretty hard and make a hard smack noise against the hull no matter what angle you took it at. Put 1200# of people in the boat and that story changes .

 

[Ronnie]

I'm with Lashburn on doing any water sports behind an outboard. If I can see the prop I won't be towed behind that boat.

 

[lashburn1]

They are solid if you load them up. I posted something somewhere sometime (might have been YJB, the hull truth or waynes words) that talked about this a little more, but in general it has to do with your boats mass vs surface area as to how hard you'll get slammed by the wave. It's like hitting a full garbage can with your car. If you're in a kia that weighs nothing, it's going to slam you around, if you're in a truck, you're going to blast that thing into the air. The more mass you have divided into the surface area that contacts the water... the better the handling. We didn't have anything in our Cobalt (it was still pretty heavy) for the most part and hitting a wave would slam you pretty hard and make a hard smack noise against the hull no matter what angle you took it at. Put 1200# of people in the boat and that story changes .

Yah, our 242 rode pretty nice once we put 2000 lbs of ballast in it and 5 People .... But the Jets did not like it and the fuel burn was atrocious @ 25-30 mph.
Ride was nice though