2018 Yamaha Limited S E Audio upgrade

[FloJet]

With the HD same power all ohms case closed man. Your audison or kicker can never do that.

 

[FloJet]

AND LAST THING. 5 CHANNEL AMP SO DIFFERENT SETUP THAN 4 AND BELOW. You figure that statement out. Not a comparison to other amps

 

[jcyamaharider]

Lets calm down fellas. Either Pm each other or get over it. This isn't helpful to the OP. Obviously you both have more experience then most of us here.

 

[adrianp89]

WEll sorry I mess with on JL HD. Look at my signature. With that no reason to bridge or go down in ohms to get higher power. So stick to the original amps. I could care less about the MHD. Those are not same as the HD. I'm not going to argue with a washed up installer from 1970 man. Have a good one.

Lol, I am actually 28. And their HD900/5 is literally the same exactly amplifier, without the marine coating on the circuit board. Guess you don't know JL as all as you thought. You would need to bridge if you want to get maximum performance out of a speaker like their M880, which can easily handle well over 200watts. Since JL's highest 4 ohm single channel output is 150watts, bridging is your only option. (and would work well in the case of the MHD600/4).

 

[adrianp89]

Lets calm down fellas. Either Pm each other or get over it. This isn't helpful to the OP. Obviously you both have more experience then most of us here.

Agreed, I will leave it alone. He seems to be getting pretty worked up. If you are mod, feel free to delete, since we probably clogged up the thread a bit.

 

[Jaylex]

Let's get back on track...this is supposed to be fun and a lil pissing is all good but back to it...

@Lion any of those options will be loud as hell, but you mentioned amps that don't break the bank...then mentioned Rev 10s and 410s which probably need the most power of all tower speakers from what I've seen.

I think you could determine if u want to start with 1 pair and then add a second pair if you still need it. Then you can piece it together and get top equipment and still bang.

The amps previously mentioned Jl HD, Kicker are two diff approaches to a system...mostly based on preference and overall setup.

If your in SoCal who are you gonna have do the install??

You'll want to run 2 amps (min imho)...with 8 6.5s, towers and a sub (assuming) that will require a fair amount of power. I run all JL M amps, and so far im happy...pricey but that's the only complaint. If JL is a tad pricey I also like those Alpine class D amps too for the price and power. My buddy has 2 of the 5 channel amps and runs 4 6.5s and 1 12 off each one and it slams.

I'll be posting my phase 2 stereo upgrades in the next few weeks, but towers are part of that equation, so should be fun to see all the new systems people run. I've learned a lot from guys on here.

 

[Lion]

Let's get back on track...this is supposed to be fun and a lil pissing is all good but back to it...

@Lion any of those options will be loud as hell, but you mentioned amps that don't break the bank...then mentioned Rev 10s and 410s which probably need the most power of all tower speakers from what I've seen.

I think you could determine if u want to start with 1 pair and then add a second pair if you still need it. Then you can piece it together and get top equipment and still bang.

The amps previously mentioned Jl HD, Kicker are two diff approaches to a system...mostly based on preference and overall setup.

If your in SoCal who are you gonna have do the install??

You'll want to run 2 amps (min imho)...with 8 6.5s, towers and a sub (assuming) that will require a fair amount of power. I run all JL M amps, and so far im happy...pricey but that's the only complaint. If JL is a tad pricey I also like those Alpine class D amps too for the price and power. My buddy has 2 of the 5 channel amps and runs 4 6.5s and 1 12 off each one and it slams.

I'll be posting my phase 2 stereo upgrades in the next few weeks, but towers are part of that equation, so should be fun to see all the new systems people run. I've learned a lot from guys on here.

Hey Jaylex,

So at first I was going to have Advanced car stereo but was not careing for how they kept trying to push the Kicker brand on me. Was also looking into Audio Vision in Montclair, or Glendora Auto sound in Glendora.
Yes, I figured I would run 3 amps. One for the cabin speakers, one for the Tower speakers, and one for the subs.
@FloJet, on the 10” and 8”, I was referring to the Wetsound Rev 10 and the Rev8.
Was wondering if it would pair ok to run 2- Rev10’s. One on each side of tower and 2- Rev 8’s in the middle.
I’m not that tall 6’2”. But I’m sure I would be cracking my head with 10,s in the middle. So was wondering if 8’s in the middle would work

 

[Lion]

I think you could determine if u want to start with 1 pair and then add a second pair if you still need it. Then you can piece it together and get top equipment and still bang.

This is also another option I was considering....
Are you in So. Cal Jaylex?

 

[Lion]

As for breaking the bank. I definitely want great amps and know they won’t come cheap. I just can’t afford 3K on amps all at once...my significant other would take me out as I sleep....lol.
As for pricing, I really haven’t looked to much into them yet. I did see that the Wetsound SD6 was about 1k.
I will be looking at the JL’s today to get an idea. What I don’t know much of is how to put it together.... which amp for what speakers.... like 6channel, 4 channel, 2 channel.
The way I was looking at it was... 6 channel for the 8 6.5’s , 4 channel for the towers, and a 2 channel for the subs...... is that about rt or am I all lost?... lol
And was also thinking about an equalizer. Do you all recommend that I put one in?

 

[Mainah]

I see you have a 2018 and based on the one I saw at a boat show that means you probably have fusion head unit which I bet is far better than the Polk unit on 2015-17. The polk remotes don’t deserve a marine rating and the polk head unit has an awful bluetooth chipset along with sub par pre pouts. If the Fusion has a dedicated sub pre out, the amps are set up properly and you don’t want a talk back mic then no eq is needed. Ws420 like @swatski has enables you to pick up the mic and talk over the music through the tower speakers which is pretty cool but not something I personally need.

Many ways to skin this cat as demonstrated in the responses. Do your own research and remember that you are getting advice from internet “experts” (some are some aren’t and each may their own preference) so draw your own conclusions as to what will work best for you.

I do like to note that my day job has nothing to do with audio equipment and I am only an electronics enthusiast that has learned from personal trial and error.

Have fun shopping and remember that sometimes when you buy bling for your boat you may need to buy bling for the other half.

 

[Lion]

I see you have a 2018 and based on the one I saw at a boat show that means you probably have fusion head unit which I bet is far better than the Polk unit on 2015-17. The polk remotes don’t deserve a marine rating and the polk head unit has an awful bluetooth chipset along with sub par pre pouts. If the Fusion has a dedicated sub pre out, the amps are set up properly and you don’t want a talk back mic then no eq is needed. Ws420 like @swatski has enables you to pick up the mic and talk over the music through the tower speakers which is pretty cool but not something I personally need.

Many ways to skin this cat as demonstrated in the responses. Do your own research and remember that you are getting advice from internet “experts” (some are some aren’t and each may their own preference) so draw your own conclusions as to what will work best for you.

I do like to note that my day job has nothing to do with audio equipment and I am only an electronics enthusiast that has learned from personal trial and error.

Have fun shopping and remember that sometimes when you buy bling for your boat you may need to buy bling for the other half.

Lol, so true about the bling... matter of fact, we just picked up a nice new car for her so now I’m trying to get a little something for me.... I mean us ...lol , the needed sound components for our water toy.

 

[Jaylex]

@Lion yep, Im in LA actually, near the airport.

I'll be running a similar 3 amp setup in the next few weeks....once you figure out the subs and towers you want you can decide on the amps that work for your needs, at least thats what I did.

I was gonna run a WS420 EQ, but decided not to based on some additional thought, mainly not NEEDING a mic to talk, and also hearing about a few people mention electrical interference/noise.

2 pair of WS will be LOUD....

See you on the lake if you hit up Havasu.

 

[Lion]

@Lion yep, Im in LA actually, near the airport.

I'll be running a similar 3 amp setup in the next few weeks....once you figure out the subs and towers you want you can decide on the amps that work for your needs, at least thats what I did.

I was gonna run a WS420 EQ, but decided not to based on some additional thought, mainly not NEEDING a mic to talk, and also hearing about a few people mention electrical interference/noise.

2 pair of WS will be LOUD....

See you on the lake if you hit up Havasu.

Hey Jaylex,
I’m 40miles east of where you are at off the 10 fwy and 57 fwy. By The Pomona fairgrounds.
Will be heading to Havasu in about 2 weeks or so to pick up the boat for her upgrades.
I keep her in storage out there.
Will be starting our boating season in late March or Early April this year.
Once you get your work done, let us know how it turns out.
By the way, are you doing your own work or will you be taking your boat to a audio shop?

 

[swatski]

@Lion yep, Im in LA actually, near the airport.

I'll be running a similar 3 amp setup in the next few weeks....once you figure out the subs and towers you want you can decide on the amps that work for your needs, at least thats what I did.

I was gonna run a WS420 EQ, but decided not to based on some additional thought, mainly not NEEDING a mic to talk, and also hearing about a few people mention electrical interference/noise.

2 pair of WS will be LOUD....

See you on the lake if you hit up Havasu.

Re: WS420 - Talk-Back Mic (or whatever they call it) aside, the WS420 is totally awesome. For one, I can dial in the the system in terms of volumes in 3-zones (super intuitive with the knobs) - and then just use one knob to control the main volume.

I HATED having to go through the Connext screens to change the volume on my stereo... Now - its just a quick grab of the main volume knob - right there in the dash.

Zone control itself is great - I use it all the time to make adjustments depending on who is in the boat and what kind of music, this thing is really handy. It is also a line driver. All in all - once you have 10+ pods/woofers in the boat and 3 different zones something like that will give you nice control.

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[FloJet]

Hey Jaylex,

So at first I was going to have Advanced car stereo but was not careing for how they kept trying to push the Kicker brand on me. Was also looking into Audio Vision in Montclair, or Glendora Auto sound in Glendora.
Yes, I figured I would run 3 amps. One for the cabin speakers, one for the Tower speakers, and one for the subs.
@FloJet, on the 10” and 8”, I was referring to the Wetsound Rev 10 and the Rev8.
Was wondering if it would pair ok to run 2- Rev10’s. One on each side of tower and 2- Rev 8’s in the middle.
I’m not that tall 6’2”. But I’m sure I would be cracking my head with 10,s in the middle. So was wondering if 8’s in the middle would work

Just PM me. I'm done messing with dumb asses

But yes 2 10" and 2 8" would be pretty loud. Speakers getting in the way in the tower is all about preferences. If you have kicking music I don't think anyone will care.

 

[FloJet]

@Lion yep, Im in LA actually, near the airport.

I'll be running a similar 3 amp setup in the next few weeks....once you figure out the subs and towers you want you can decide on the amps that work for your needs, at least thats what I did.

I was gonna run a WS420 EQ, but decided not to based on some additional thought, mainly not NEEDING a mic to talk, and also hearing about a few people mention electrical interference/noise.

2 pair of WS will be LOUD....

See you on the lake if you hit up Havasu.

The good thing about the WS is it's a damn great line driver. You can boast it internally to match the voltage from the connext/polk system and therefore don't have to have your amps working as hard. But this is more advanced and requires an individual to take apart the WS to adjust this than test for clipping too.

 

[redthumper9]

@Lion ...you first need to decide what you are looking for in a system. Great sound at all volumes, listening at rope length, listening on the swim deck, or owning the cove (sandbar in my case). Let is be said that the JL Audio "HD” line of amps is pretty much the pinnacle of marine performance when properly applied. I personally run Wet Sounds SD amps which are also top of the line, efficient and vert powerful. However, I also know that these are out of budget and overkill for a large percentage of folks. Truth is, when properly set up, good marine mid-level amps are going to satisfy most. My first setup had three marine Rockford prime amps and it sounded outstanding. My first advise would be don't skimp on your interior speakers and your wiring. Make sure you run a large enough power wire to allow for expansion. Also, depending on your listening style, figure out what you think you'll need in batteries and get that stuff squared away first. On the subject of combining Rev 10's and Rev 8's....don't do it. The 10's not only sound better, bit make sound more efficiently. Go with the same whether it's 2 or 4. There are so many options when it comes to using channels on particular amps...just remember...REV speaker need lots of power. I'd say an absolute minimum of 250 clean watts (300 and up would be better). I run a two channel SD2 to my four REV 10's for around 310 watts each. Maybe an SD6 could work for your in boats and sub? 4 channels would be on the 8 speakers at 2 ohm stereo and the last two channels bridged for 585 watts to your sub? Possibilities are endless. Not sure where you boat, but if it's on a lake, some people get away with not using Marine amplifiers. In that case you could look towards ARC audio. I've heard great things about their equipment, and I also understand they're similar in design to wetsounds.

 

[adrianp89]

As for breaking the bank. I definitely want great amps and know they won’t come cheap. I just can’t afford 3K on amps all at once...my significant other would take me out as I sleep....lol.
As for pricing, I really haven’t looked to much into them yet. I did see that the Wetsound SD6 was about 1k.
I will be looking at the JL’s today to get an idea. What I don’t know much of is how to put it together.... which amp for what speakers.... like 6channel, 4 channel, 2 channel.
The way I was looking at it was... 6 channel for the 8 6.5’s , 4 channel for the towers, and a 2 channel for the subs...... is that about rt or am I all lost?... lol
And was also thinking about an equalizer. Do you all recommend that I put one in?

With a little research you should be able to line it up on your own. A few things you need to note: the ohm load of the speakers, and the RMS rating. Also it is important to note that if you pair two speakers together, the ohm load will drop in half.

With that in mind, you should then find the amplifier that matches the RMS in the speakers. For example if an amp says 100x6 @ 4 ohms, and your speakers have a RMS rating of 100 then you can run 6 speakers off that amp perfectly. Or if the speakers have a rating of 75watts and the amplifer does 150x6 @ 2 ohms, then you can pair two speakers to each channel (dropping the load to 2) and run 12 speakers. OR in the opposite manner, if your speakers are 200 RMS, you can bridge the channels and run 3 speakers at 200 each @ 4 ohms. It can get a little tricky, but a little research and you should be able to make a solid plan. Also remember too much power is never a bad thing, under-powering is where most people run into issues.

 

[FloJet]

@Lion ...you first need to decide what you are looking for in a system. Great sound at all volumes, listening at rope length, listening on the swim deck, or owning the cove (sandbar in my case). Let is be said that the JL Audio "HD” line of amps is pretty much the pinnacle of marine performance when properly applied. I personally run Wet Sounds SD amps which are also top of the line, efficient and vert powerful. However, I also know that these are out of budget and overkill for a large percentage of folks. Truth is, when properly set up, good marine mid-level amps are going to satisfy most. My first setup had three marine Rockford prime amps and it sounded outstanding. My first advise would be don't skimp on your interior speakers and your wiring. Make sure you run a large enough power wire to allow for expansion. Also, depending on your listening style, figure out what you think you'll need in batteries and get that stuff squared away first. On the subject of combining Rev 10's and Rev 8's....don't do it. The 10's not only sound better, bit make sound more efficiently. Go with the same whether it's 2 or 4. There are so many options when it comes to using channels on particular amps...just remember...REV speaker need lots of power. I'd say an absolute minimum of 250 clean watts (300 and up would be better). I run a two channel SD2 to my four REV 10's for around 310 watts each. Maybe an SD6 could work for your in boats and sub? 4 channels would be on the 8 speakers at 2 ohm stereo and the last two channels bridged for 585 watts to your sub? Possibilities are endless. Not sure where you boat, but if it's on a lake, some people get away with not using Marine amplifiers. In that case you could look towards ARC audio. I've heard great things about their equipment, and I also understand they're similar in design to wetsounds.

Very well said. Love the WS setup you have. I used to run the SD lines for WS. With this post @Lion you should be able to make a fair and reasonable choice. Good luck and let us know how it sounds when you are done.

 

[FloJet]

Finally finished my new Amp board