Titanic claims more people

[FSH 210 Sport]

The loss of comms occurred at 1:45, at the given rate of decent the sub would not have been close to the bottom or the wreck.

That part about being bolted in is a huge no go for me. Apollo 1 taught the world that was a bad idea.

That article about the former employee reads like most other accident reports… when the Orville spillway failed a year and a half ago I said to myself at the time that somewhere some employee had been screaming about the problems and was either blown off or fired. As it turns out there was such an employee but as per usual nothing will happen to those responsible. The information in that article will probably play heavily in the upcoming, while I hope not, wrongful death and or criminally negligent law suit.

I will say again, I hope that I am wrong, but, I think there was a catastrophic failure at the 1:45 mark and that was it. When you consider that the sub descended repeatedly to 400 atmosphere’s, which is 5,880 psi, allegedly without NDT, that is a RX for a predicable disaster. After what I read alleging that the view port was only good for 1300 meters and the sub descends to 4000 meters sounds like that is the most plausible point of failure. If that happened in a catastrophic fashion, they would not have known what hit them.

After the Thresher disaster the Navy under Rickover instituted the sub safe program and that has served well to this day… I’m sure the Navy boys here will correct me if wrong, or can chime in with further comments. I had several Navy Nukes that worked for me and they told me a lot about the sub safe program, and none of what I read in the linked whistleblower article would be acceptable in the Nav.

I hope that the banging sound that was heard is them and that an effective rescue can be realized.

 

[fatboyroy]

It is hard to comprehend. But that comprehension, for me, starts with some numbers.

13,000' of rope is nearly impossible, so it has to be self propelled.
13,000' of depth, a human could not survive the pressure or distance even if there were a way to get out.
13,000' of depth, there is no quick way up. Even if it were tethered, slow controlled surfacing is required no matter what for decompression/depressurization.

I believe in this case they would use a balloon type thing to float it, calculate the weight of the sub vs bouyancy of the balloon to control ascent speed. They will tether then inflate.... I think the navy/private rescuer is just there for moral support for the family, i dont think they expect to get them back alive

 

[BigN8]

Too soon???

 

[Thermobrett]

Too early???

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I say timing it pretty accurate!

 

[tabbibus]

Sounds like the found some debris

OceanGate Titanic sub search: Coast Guard confirms 'debris field' is missing tourist sub

The Coast Guard announced Thursday that an underwater remotely operated vehicle (ROV) has found a "debris field" in the search for the missing OceanGate Titan submarine. The discovery was made after ROVs were scanning the Atlantic Ocean floor.

www.foxnews.com

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

By my estimation of the rate of decent of 100’ per min, the sub was at 10,500‘ or 318 atmosphere’s or 4,677 psi. At that much pressure it would have been a catastrophic failure.

 

[adrianp89]

I watched a video of a animated catastrophic failure. I think that would have been the best way to go. At those pressures it turns the submarine into a pretzel in milliseconds... they wouldn't have even known.

Now spending 3 days trapped slowly suffocating. ugh.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

I watched a video of a animated catastrophic failure. I think that would have been the best way to go. At those pressures it turns the submarine into a pretzel in milliseconds... they wouldn't have even known.

Now spending 3 days trapped slowly suffocating. ugh.

Kinda like Mark Watney when air lock 1 failed on the Mars hab…

 

[anmut]

It looks like a sad loss of life, unfortunately. I had hope for a miracle too...

 

[Ronnie]

“At those depths a human being would be crushed to the size of an egg almost instantly.” Is the quote i remember from a movie or interview years ago.

I watched another interview yesterday with a specialist that’s taken three different subs from theee different companies/countries to the Titantic wreck site. When asked if he would go on the sub currently lost he said no because that sub is an newer design with modern materials that had only made three successful dives to the site previously, “failure testing should not be occurring 12,500 feet deep”. He went on to say he is hoping for a miracle but everyone is focusing on running out of air, not the cold, need to clean the air of carbon dioxide, etc.

I think the mission will formally change from rescue to recovery soon if it hasn’t already. Rich people tend to be litigious but from what I’ve watched and heard the company should be properly shielded by the releases/assumption of risk statements they had all passengers sign.

 

[zipper]

Debris is from submersible...

 

[Ronnie]

Kinda like Mark Watney when air lock 1 failed on the Mars hab…

I think it’s more like this. Fast forward to 1:22.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

OceanGate Titanic sub search: Coast Guard confirms 'debris field' is missing tourist sub

The Coast Guard announced Thursday that an underwater remotely operated vehicle (ROV) has found a "debris field" in the search for the missing OceanGate Titan submarine. The discovery was made after ROVs were scanning the Atlantic Ocean floor.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Ronnie]

Think about that poor (well not finacially) lady who just lost her husband and son.

at the same time, the boy was 19 years old and his dad just bought him a ticket for what was supposed to be a 10 hour excursion that cost $250k. Most kids that I knew at that age didn’t have parents that could afford to send them to college when you could get a four year degree at a state college or university for $50k all in. Maybe this is just the universe’s way of balancing out some of the economic inequities of the world.

the chances of my spouse or son dying in a submarine are zero unless it’s the submarine at Disney Land or they experience a windfall (e.g. I die, they collect on my life insurance policy go nuts by spending it on a $250k ticket).

Anyway. RIP to the five who died. The last I read recovery of remains is not currently being considered.

 

[Mesa50]

The more that comes out about the development of this sub, the more negligent the founders of this company seem. They didn’t want “old white guys” to be the face of the company when it came to development and construction, so they hired the blue/pink hairs right out of college. The old white guys who are experienced submarine engineers were able to call out a plethora of design flaws at the first few glances of the Titan.

 

[Bottom Bracket]

The FAA hot wet structural testing requirements for a composite commercial jet liner fuselage/wing are intensive and crazy expensive.
Composite structures are "hand built". A metallic structure (Russian titanium submarine) can be certified at the foundry.
Not negligence if that is common knowledge.
Its been said this submersible was labeled "experimental".

 

[BigN8]

I watched that whole video. Sounds like a shit show to me. I tried to jump off the roof once with a patio table umbrella when I was twelve. That seemed smarter than this stunt.

 

[Thermobrett]

Casual Friday at work. To soon?

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Yes too soon.

 

[Bluewater272]

Maybe this is just the universe’s way of balancing out some of the economic inequities of the world.