222 XE Top Speed

[Round2]

Hi all, just looking for some insight on the new 222 XE / XD top speed. I already placed a deposit on one but my main motivator to take the plunge was performance / speed coming from a 2018 AR 210. There was a recent video by Boater Magazine which said 43-44 mph with 400 lbs of passenger and 60 gallons of fuel. The TR-1s are 40 mph on a good day, I have had AR 240s out and they perform well with enough top speed. My understanding is the 212 models with 1.8l also pull 50 mph. Could this be a prototype issue, conditions while testing, boat still in break in mode or is this what to expect with the new hull design ? Also wondering if the wake series are slower than the other models? Thanks in advance

 

[SCP1]

Hi all, just looking for some insight on the new 222 XE / XD top speed. I already placed a deposit on one but my main motivator to take the plunge was performance / speed coming from a 2018 AR 210. There was a recent video by Boater Magazine which said 43-44 mph with 400 lbs of passenger and 60 gallons of fuel. The TR-1s are 40 mph on a good day, I have had AR 240s out and they perform well with enough top speed. My understanding is the 212 models with 1.8l also pull 50 mph. Could this be a prototype issue, conditions while testing, boat still in break in mode or is this what to expect with the new hull design ? Also wondering if the wake series are slower than the other models? Thanks in advance

My guess is if the literature is correct they now have 160mm pump vs a 155. Maybe the 160 pump provides more hole shot but less top end speed. I’m sure someone else might have a better understanding on this then me.

 

[Neutron]

My guess is if the literature is correct they now have 160mm pump vs a 155. Maybe the 160 pump provides more hole shot but less top end speed. I’m sure someone else might have a better understanding on this then me.

From yamaha web site 22s have a 155mm pump. Only svho engines have 160mm pumps

 

[SCP1]

I don’t understand how they can’t even make the information on their website accurate!

 

[Neutron]

I don’t understand how they can’t even make the information on their website accurate!

Every year there is tons of mistakes on their site from mismatched pictures to incorrect info. Seems they are in such a last minute rush to get it live that no one is checking if the corresponding info is accurate. Eventually it gets ironed out but takes a while

 

[HangOutdoors]

I only put so much credence in the reviews from BoatTest, Boat Magazine and other commercially centered reviewers, etc. Until someone can get there hands on one and put it through real world varied use and conditions, I would take everything positive or negative with a grain of salt. Of course that makes it tougher to know if you want to be buying the new model yet.

 

[drober30]

Every year there is tons of mistakes on their site from mismatched pictures to incorrect info. Seems they are in such a last minute rush to get it live that no one is checking if the corresponding info is accurate. Eventually it gets ironed out but takes a while

I'm just so surprised at this! I would have thought a large company like Yamaha would have a more dynamic website and accurate information. I think their web site overall is basic. I cant even view the boat and interior color combination I want on their web site.

 

[Mfrench2025]

Yamaha just posted that the boat test magazine review was done with a per-production model, in very hot and humid weather in Florida. Supposedly they expect a little better acceleration and top speed come from the actual production production models. Be curios when these things actually hit the public hands what the numbers will be. Was a bit disappointed to see that this thing was a right around the same top speed as our current 2011 ar210 with a measly 220hp, although it is considerably lighter than the 222xd.

 

[HangOutdoors]

Yamaha just posted that the boat test magazine review was done with a per-production model, in very hot and humid weather in Florida. Supposedly they expect a little better acceleration and top speed come from the actual production production models. Be curios when these things actually hit the public hands what the numbers will be. Was a bit disappointed to see that this thing was a right around the same top speed as our current 2011 ar210 with a measly 220hp, although it is considerably lighter than the 222xd.

If I were to guestimate I would say 45-48 maybe. Light gear, fuel and people.

 

[@JC!]

I can't imagine it would be any slower than the 212X. Really think Yamaha is "missing the boat" by not having an upgraded 222XD-S or whatever they want to call it with twin SVHOs. Seriously considering upgrading my AR195 this year but I'd really like a bit more power than the 1.8l engines.

 

[windshear]

Got mine up to 47 today. 222S. Smooth water and half a tank with just me on board.

 

[HangOutdoors]

Got mine up to 47 today. 222S. Smooth water and half a tank with just me on board.

That sounds about right. Saw someone post on one of the boards that with 5 people full tank and gear on a light chop They were maxing out at 42. TBH I was hoping there was better performance, more in line with the 212.

 

[SCP1]

That sounds about right. Saw someone post on one of the boards that with 5 people full tank and gear on a light chop They were maxing out at 42. TBH I was hoping there was better performance, more in line with the 212.

About what I expected, the only way it gets better is if they put the thirsty supercharged motors in it.

 

[VitaminSea]

Got mine up to 47 today. 222S. Smooth water and half a tank with just me on board.

just for reference, was your Bimini up/open?

Looks like you are new to the forum - welcome aboard. Thoughts on the boat thus far?

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

About what I expected, the only way it gets better is if they put the thirsty supercharged motors in it.

To your point about the thirsty SVHO engines…. I was reading the preparing for bimini thread last night, it was stated that the 190 series of boats should carry 10 gallons of extra fuel, and the 195 series should carry an extra 25 gallons of fuel to make the crossing.

 

[SCP1]

To your point about the thirsty SVHO engines…. I was reading the preparing for bimini thread last night, it was stated that the 190 series of boats should carry 10 gallons of extra fuel, and the 195 series should carry an extra 25 gallons of fuel to make the crossing.

Yeah I had AR195 and a SX190. I was always amazed how fuel efficient the 190 was, I can’t say the same for the 195. Now with a 212 I feel I burn a little more fuel than the 195 but not much. I have not did any math on this just based on observations.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Yeah I had AR195 and a SX190. I was always amazed how fuel efficient the 190 was, I can’t say the same for the 195. Now with a 212 I feel I burn a little more fuel than the 195 but not much. I have not did any math on this just based on observations.

Looks like an additional 3 gph at 6000 rpm for your 212S (13.6gph) vs. a 195 FSH (10.6gph) from an Apples to Oranges comparison…. I used the 190 FSH for the 1.8 HO gph, and compared that to a 195 FSH for the 1.8 SVHO gph.

Here’s the boat test chart for the 190 FSH. I’d never looked that closely at it before, pretty amazing best cruise mpg of 4.2 mpg, with a wide speed / rpm cruising above 3 mpg. Overall a very economical little boat to operate, those fuel consumption numbers are as good or better than an outboard powered boat!



Here‘s the 195 Sport with its SVHO motor…it’s quite the hot rod but there is a penalty in mpg and a 45 mile range penalty for that sporty motor.

 

[windshear]

just for reference, was your Bimini up/open?

Looks like you are new to the forum - welcome aboard. Thoughts on the boat thus far?

Bimini was closed. It's great. Still learning everything. First boat and first twin. Was hoping for 50 mph, but it's just a number. If it had a sub-woofer, it would be perfect.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Bimini was closed. It's great. Still learning everything. First boat and first twin. Was hoping for 50 mph, but it's just a number. If it had a sub-woofer, it would be perfect.

Next time you get it up to 45 miles a hour turn the wheel hard to port, like to the stop and hold it there. Better be well seated and holding on when you do it, and make sure everything is stowed properly. This will give you a new appreciation of how fast 45 mph is.

The next thing you can try out is the biggest safety feature our boats have that no prop boat has, brakes. Work up to this one… get going about 25 mph and pull the throttles back then drop the reverse buckets with idle thrust. As Capt Steve says “not something to be taken lightly”. Once you get more comfortable with this you can apply throttle in reverse. Apply too much throttle and you’ll dip the bow and give the inside of your boat a good rinse.

Its Down right amazing how fast you can stop your boat by using this procedure. A prop boat will just bounce off the dogs until it slows down enough to engage.

look at min 3:44 here…

https://boattest.com/boats/yamaha/195-fsh-sport-2020

 

[windshear]

The next thing you can try out is the biggest safety feature our boats have that no prop boat has, brakes. Work up to this one… get going about 25 mph and pull the throttles back then drop the reverse buckets with idle thrust. As Capt Steve says “not something to be taken lightly”. Once you get more comfortable with this you can apply throttle in reverse. Apply too much throttle and you’ll dip the bow and give the inside of your boat a good rinse.

Is applying too much throttle in reverse a concern before or after they limited reverse to 4500 rpm?