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What do these two holes go to?

the sealant recommended is from @Babin Farms suggestion, as it's designed for seasonal use around the house, and isn't a permanent type of sealant. It's less problematic to remove when the time comes for you to inspect or work in the area, which is why it's suggested

@FSH 210 Sport said "seal and peel or silicone", but I'm not seeing the suggestion/post you're referring to from @Babin Farms? You're not talking about something like 3M 4200 are you?
 
The cleanout tray will NEVER be an "on a whim" item to remove, and the sealant recommended is from @Babin Farms suggestion, as it's designed for seasonal use around the house, and isn't a permanent type of sealant. It's less problematic to remove when the time comes for you to inspect or work in the area, which is why it's suggested

Yes, you're "deleting" that drain, as the FSH model has a far better method of clearing water from the cleanout tray area, with your 2 gutters, so deleting that drain addresses one more area that allows water in, and gets to the bilge

The cleanout tray is almost definitely the reason your pump kicked on 4-5 times, and when you remove it, you'll likely discover missing sealant, gaps, screws loose, etc.

So on the whole topic of the cleanout tray being a big place for leaks... I might not be understanding something. What's the point in sealing the entire tray (blue outline in photo below) if there's a big hole in the middle of it, for the smaller access panel (red outline in photo below)? Wouldn't water still get in through the smaller access panel? Or am I misunderstanding all of this and you're talking about not only sealing the main tray to the boat, but also sealing the smaller access panel to the main tray?

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O perfect, thanks!

@Babin Farms would you mind checking out my reply that was right before yours? The one where I circled the cleanout tray and removable panel?
I seal the main tray(blue) with the removable sealant after I install it. It makes it easier to gain access to that area when needed and the sealant has no issues keeping water out. The smaller access ports in my boat screw down so there’s no need to seam them up.
 
I seal the main tray(blue) with the removable sealant after I install it. It makes it easier to gain access to that area when needed and the sealant has no issues keeping water out. The smaller access ports in my boat screw down so there’s no need to seam them up.
Hm. The smaller access port (red) in mine just slides and clips in. There is a rubber gasket, but its not "sealed". I guess a little water will always get in then.

And I did confirm tonight that main cleanout tray is definitely a culprit. The thing is not sealed, it's just screwed in, and some screws are actually missing entirely! Fun!
 
Hm. The smaller access port (red) in mine just slides and clips in. There is a rubber gasket, but its not "sealed". I guess a little water will always get in then.

And I did confirm tonight that main cleanout tray is definitely a culprit. The thing is not sealed, it's just screwed in, and some screws are actually missing entirely! Fun!
I’ve got a few screws missing or stripped out but the sealant helps hold the tray in place. There’s no pressure on it so I’d just seal it shut, cover the open holes and be done.
 
Hm. The smaller access port (red) in mine just slides and clips in. There is a rubber gasket, but its not "sealed". I guess a little water will always get in then.

And I did confirm tonight that main cleanout tray is definitely a culprit. The thing is not sealed, it's just screwed in, and some screws are actually missing entirely! Fun!
I thought I had mentioned earlier about getting a Jet Boat Pilot mechanical access hatch riser. This will get that hatch up plenty high to keep water from getting past that hatch.
 
@FSH 210 Sport said "seal and peel or silicone", but I'm not seeing the suggestion/post you're referring to from @Babin Farms? You're not talking about something like 3M 4200 are you?
The next time my clean out tray comes off I’m to use the seal and peel sealant.

Use blue painters tape to mask off the area where you don’t want the sealant and you can just remove the tape and your finished product will look great.

You’ll probably have to go with oversize screws on the tray, it’s easy to over tighten them, just snug is fine.
 
I thought I had mentioned earlier about getting a Jet Boat Pilot mechanical access hatch riser. This will get that hatch up plenty high to keep water from getting past that hatch.
O yes, you did - but I didn't realize what that part was at the time and forgot to look it up/put it on my list. It's added now!
 
@FSH 210 Sport said "seal and peel or silicone", but I'm not seeing the suggestion/post you're referring to from @Babin Farms? You're not talking about something like 3M 4200 are you?

Sorry for the tardiness of my reply, weird work schedule.

Long ago, @Babin Farms suggested the Peel N Seal, and it seems like it's become the defacto solution to sealing that cleanout tray. I personally haven't been able to use it, but not for trying. It may have been the weather, time of year, or just a bad tube. I think it was ultimately a bad tube, but I do know it's a good suggestion, as it's designed to be applied and removed easier than most other sealants for winter weatherization.

I was just tagging him in, and giving credit to the originator of the idea. He's kinda handy in the fixit department, and it's always good to get more eyeballs on your problem.

Hm. The smaller access port (red) in mine just slides and clips in. There is a rubber gasket, but its not "sealed". I guess a little water will always get in then.

And I did confirm tonight that main cleanout tray is definitely a culprit. The thing is not sealed, it's just screwed in, and some screws are actually missing entirely! Fun!

As @FSH 210 Sport mentioned, Jet Boat Pilot sells a riser that puts that hatch about 3/4" higher, which seems to be enough to allow the water to drain out before getting in through the (loose-fitting) inspection hatch you circled in red.

Check this thread out, from the links in my signature as well, if you want a far cheaper option:



The cleanout tray is designed to mount the cleanout tubes, as well as give you more and better access to your bilge and the transom area of your boat. While you don't (or won't) have to access that area often, you definitely DON'T want to seal that off with 5200, in case something happens, like the criiminally horrible crappy plastic scupper cracks and starts to allow your boat to fill up with water and sink(ish). You also have quite a few hose clamps in there, and if those rust or break, you'll need to access those. All of this to say, there's no need to permanently seal it up, but there's DEFINITELY a need, oftentimes, for people to seal that tray up to stop water ingress, and the Seal n Peel is way easier to deal with than silicone, while being adequate enough for this task.

One thing I learned from @zipper and others here, is that 5200 CAN be drilled/tapped for screws. I'd use it to address any issues with the screw holes for that cleanout tray. Put some tape or something on the underside of any bad hole, apply 5200 and when it's cured, drill/tap for screws, for a better hold than the fiberglass in that area.

Not sure where you're at, or if you boat in fresh or salt water (gotta add your location to your profile), but the hose clamps DO go bad. I don't know if Yamaha uses stainless, but there's enough folks who've had loose clamps from the factory, and others who have had them all rusted out. The best option for hose clamps are spring band hose clamps, but I haven't found those in stainless (or really looked, for that matter), so that's the reason for my suggestion of the T-bolt hose clamps. They offer more consistent clamping pressure, and to me, they're just easier to deal with, and can be found in stainless for less worry. Dunno what size you need, but here's an example of the clamps I'm suggesting:





I’ve got a few screws missing or stripped out but the sealant helps hold the tray in place.

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Sorry for the tardiness of my reply, weird work schedule.

Long ago, @Babin Farms suggested the Peel N Seal, and it seems like it's become the defacto solution to sealing that cleanout tray. I personally haven't been able to use it, but not for trying. It may have been the weather, time of year, or just a bad tube. I think it was ultimately a bad tube, but I do know it's a good suggestion, as it's designed to be applied and removed easier than most other sealants for winter weatherization.

I was just tagging him in, and giving credit to the originator of the idea. He's kinda handy in the fixit department, and it's always good to get more eyeballs on your problem.



As @FSH 210 Sport mentioned, Jet Boat Pilot sells a riser that puts that hatch about 3/4" higher, which seems to be enough to allow the water to drain out before getting in through the (loose-fitting) inspection hatch you circled in red.

Check this thread out, from the links in my signature as well, if you want a far cheaper option:



The cleanout tray is designed to mount the cleanout tubes, as well as give you more and better access to your bilge and the transom area of your boat. While you don't (or won't) have to access that area often, you definitely DON'T want to seal that off with 5200, in case something happens, like the criiminally horrible crappy plastic scupper cracks and starts to allow your boat to fill up with water and sink(ish). You also have quite a few hose clamps in there, and if those rust or break, you'll need to access those. All of this to say, there's no need to permanently seal it up, but there's DEFINITELY a need, oftentimes, for people to seal that tray up to stop water ingress, and the Seal n Peel is way easier to deal with than silicone, while being adequate enough for this task.

One thing I learned from @zipper and others here, is that 5200 CAN be drilled/tapped for screws. I'd use it to address any issues with the screw holes for that cleanout tray. Put some tape or something on the underside of any bad hole, apply 5200 and when it's cured, drill/tap for screws, for a better hold than the fiberglass in that area.

Not sure where you're at, or if you boat in fresh or salt water (gotta add your location to your profile), but the hose clamps DO go bad. I don't know if Yamaha uses stainless, but there's enough folks who've had loose clamps from the factory, and others who have had them all rusted out. The best option for hose clamps are spring band hose clamps, but I haven't found those in stainless (or really looked, for that matter), so that's the reason for my suggestion of the T-bolt hose clamps. They offer more consistent clamping pressure, and to me, they're just easier to deal with, and can be found in stainless for less worry. Dunno what size you need, but here's an example of the clamps I'm suggesting:







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