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Higher hour boat

bones23

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Boat Make
Yamaha
Year
2018
Boat Model
Limited S
Boat Length
21
Hi All,

Boat shopping at the moment and had a brief discussion with one private party (who bought it new). It's a 2018 212 Limited S that appears to be in great shape but does have 570 hours already. Starboard engine was rebuilt under Yamaha YES warranty and impellers were replaced last season. Owner says he has all service records. What all should I be checking on in this situation? Any fear over the hours? Price does seem fair. JD Power puts it at $43,920 average retail and $38,680 low retail obviously not factoring hours. We will likely put 40-50 hours on per year. Link to listing below.

 
I think time and corrosion are a bigger factor in the rebuild needs than hours alone. One engine was rebuilt already... Do you know failure cause? (Corrosion or failure for other reason?)

If you had it since new....50 per year would place it at 350 by now, and 50 coming this season, which is not low hours either...

I would look for a deeper discount if possible but be prepared for an eventual engine rebuild depending on how long you plan to keep the boat. Best of luck!
 
I think time and corrosion are a bigger factor in the rebuild needs than hours alone. One engine was rebuilt already... Do you know failure cause? (Corrosion or failure for other reason?)

If you had it since new....50 per year would place it at 350 by now, and 50 coming this season, which is not low hours either...

I would look for a deeper discount if possible but be prepared for an eventual engine rebuild depending on how long you plan to keep the boat. Best of luck!
I'm told he noticed a little moisture when changing the oil and brought to the dealers attention. They dismissed at first but eventually agreed and rebuilt under warranty.
 
We bought our current boat (Bennington 2575RFS I/O) when it was 13 years old with 560 hours on it at the time and it's given us 6 years of great use with nothing but maintenance and a set of throttle cables. Hours alone don't bother me. Mostly looking for advice on what to check out, pricing concerns, etc. Any and all feedback welcome so thanks to you @Beachbummer.
 
Price seems pretty good with only one engine at 570 hours. How many hours on new. I think it’s very important to know what happened to the engine that failed.

Have you seen the boat in person?

Check the faq section for what to look for.
 
Price seems pretty good with only one engine at 570 hours. How many hours on new. I think it’s very important to know what happened to the engine that failed.

Have you seen the boat in person?

Check the faq section for what to look for.
I have not seen the boat in person yet. It's 2 hours from me and is still in winter storage.
 
A high hour boat should be looked at through the following lense:

Is it a high-hour and beat to crap boat?

Or a high-hour and well taken care of boat?

Your high-hour and beat to crap will have obvious signs of "just send it."
  1. Seats and flooring will show above average wear.
  2. Rub rails and freeboards will show scratches from docking.
  3. Bottom of hull will show beaching marks.
  4. Engine bay will be dirty.
  5. Metal will show corrosion.
  6. You'll find dirt & food in the storage compartments and cracks.
  7. Most likely won't have logs on oil changes, pump work, etc.
  8. Most likely won't have a battery trickle charger system.
On the other hand, your high-hour, but well-loved boat, will show wear but also it'll show pride in ownership. It'll be clean inside and out, and the owner will be able to tell you about the little things to keep it a well running condition (like using Yamalube on components and his favorite wax), and mechanical maintenance schedules and products (changing the oil ever season no matter what, and always using X oil/filter).

What I encourage people to do, is ask questions that you already know the answers to, to see if the previous owner has been paying attention - such as:

So how often do you need to change the oil? (every season or 100 hours)
Does the manual call for any fuel additives? (yes, but not necessary)
How shallow can you run the jet pumps at idle? (3' is minimum for idle in order not to suck sand into your engine)
How often should the clean-out plugs come out? (anytime the boat is not in use)
Can you tow with the cover on? (yes, but not with the poles in)

These questions (an many more available on this forum) will tell you if the owner really knows and loves their boat, or if it's just a piece of equipment that they are trying to off load.

As an FYI, I have 270 hours on my 2020 boat, and I could talk for hours about the in's and out's of owning a Yamaha jet boat, what I've done to my boat, how I maintain it, and could point out ever little fault to the exact incident (this cut in the Seadek is from my step-brother putting on his wakeboard, this scratch is from my dumb*** friend and his pontoon, etc.) - hell, I keep every year's spark plugs just for comparison!
 
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I thought there was a list in the faq that was different than what I had in mind.

I have just under 600 hours on my boat and figure I’ll get at least 4000 if not more hours out of it. There has been a thread somewhere in this vast trove of knowledge on this site, that PWC rental company 4400 hours on a TR-1 powered PWC and it was still running strong.. you just need to do the maintenance. Ironically, I started this season with 573 hours on my engines and are now at like 598 I think.

@anmut makes a great point about the high hour abused and high hour treated with TLC boat.. heck I see pert near 40 year old Albermarle’s with 500 hours on them used in salt water and other than some slight wear on the upholstery look almost new.

Here is a list off the top of my head of maintenance items that you should ask about;
-Again, what caused the engine failure on the engine that was rebuilt? Sometimes engines fail, they are machines and sometimes things go wrong.
-Who did the rebuild? I’m assuming it was either rebuilt by a yamaha dealer or it was a crate motor from Yamaha, you cannot ask for better.
-Have the grease cones on the jet pumps been serviced?
-Has the valve lash been checked?
-Have the intermediate bearings been greased regularly?
-Why were the impellers replaced?
-Were the wear rings replaced as well? Yes they were just reviewed the add.

If you really want to be thorough, have the boat’s ecu’s checked for alarm codes, this will show if thee has been any over heat alarms, limp mode activations and how many.

Turn the steering wheel slowly from side to side and feel for any hitches or rough spots.

Slowly actuate the throttles in both directions fully, check for smoothness and stiffness, there are detents going forward fyi.

Lastly, have them take you for a sea trial run of at least 30 mins.. you need to spend at least 10 mins at a fast cruise, 6500rpm and then flat out for at least 2 mins. Make sure there is good water flow out the pilot outlets on the side of the boat, engines should start relatively easily.

From the pics this a VERY WELL MAINTAINED BOAT. You should move quickly on this if you are serious, the price is great. Do not show up with a pocket full of money.. you need to make sure this is not some sort of scam, these things to be less frequent these days but be aware, just do your due diligence.

Again, if you are serious and this is the kind of boat you want you should probably proceed with alacrity since the price is low as the seller is motivated.

Everything else you will want to do and need to do is contained within these pages on this forum.
 
I would like to see a YDS readout to see where the majority of the rpm range that 570 hours was used
 
Thank you to all of you for all of your insight. It's greatly appreciated! I've been a boat owner for a long time but never a jet drive of any kind so I'm not quite as keen on what to look for engine-wise compared to an outboard or stern drive. Seems like the boat has been maintained and cared for properly but want to make sure I'm being careful and don't find myself in a bad spot right out of the gate. I'll be asking to review all of the service records and we will definitely take the boat on the water.
 
Thank you to all of you for all of your insight. It's greatly appreciated! I've been a boat owner for a long time but never a jet drive of any kind so I'm not quite as keen on what to look for engine-wise compared to an outboard or stern drive. Seems like the boat has been maintained and cared for properly but want to make sure I'm being careful and don't find myself in a bad spot right out of the gate. I'll be asking to review all of the service records and we will definitely take the boat on the water.
Great, and like @nuetron suggested, get a YDS / ECU read out / check. If you are going to buy the boat then you pay for this, if there are a lot of codes of over heat then the owner needs to pay for it. Should be less than a hour of shop labor.
 
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