Thoughts and demo rides of wake / towsports boats: Moomba Max, Axis A22, MB Sports

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

Hey guys, I'm SUPER late to this thread but I am a tech at a dealer that sells Tige, Moomba/Supra, and MasterCraft so can gladly answer any questions, take any pics, and hopefully provide you with any info your after. Also get out surfing quite a but so can offer up some opinions on function as well as form.

 

[96Pirate]

Check your pm

Can you send me a pm as well? I have been looking at the Craz for awhile now. Would love to take a look. Thanks.

 

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

Hey Pirate, not sure if that was for me or Matt but sent you a PM anyways!

 

[Arcadyus]

Well got all my dock lines, fenders, etc. Got my lead today. But my makai is still at SC waiting for a truck. Been done since Tuesday. Oddly this is only the second day we would be out since we decided to make the new purchase. Shitty summer.

 

[haknslash]

Nice! It won't be too much longer now and I know the wait is killing you lol.

 

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

Well got all my dock lines, fenders, etc. Got my lead today. But my makai is still at SC waiting for a truck. Been done since Tuesday. Oddly this is only the second day we would be out since we decided to make the new purchase. Shitty summer. View attachment 99663

That's a bummer man. Weve had issues getting our Skiers Choice boats as well. They only run a couple of their own truck and contract out the rest. I think with the market staying red hot the companies that are equipped with the right trailers are booked solid. Our last Supra showed up on a big ol gooseneck car hauler trailer pulled by a 1ton dualie, so at this point seems to me like Skiers is scrambling to find guys to haul their boats.

Hopefully it shows soon. Cant wait to see some pics. Good call on that pile of lead!!

 

[Arcadyus]

That's a bummer man. Weve had issues getting our Skiers Choice boats as well. They only run a couple of their own truck and contract out the rest. I think with the market staying red hot the companies that are equipped with the right trailers are booked solid. Our last Supra showed up on a big ol gooseneck car hauler trailer pulled by a 1ton dualie, so at this point seems to me like Skiers is scrambling to find guys to haul their boats.

Hopefully it shows soon. Cant wait to see some pics. Good call on that pile of lead!!

I'm about to hire someone and make the dealer pay lol. I get it though. With the price of these boats moomba has a big share of the market now. Prob much more than their infrastructure can handle. I can't believe your $150k plus boat came from a cat rocking a 1 ton.

 

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

I'm about to hire someone and make the dealer pay lol. I get it though. With the price of these boats moomba has a big share of the market now. Prob much more than their infrastructure can handle. I can't believe your $150k plus boat came from a cat rocking a 1 ton.

I think the other part of it is SC, Malibu/Axis and MC are all built near each other in Tennessee and they are all selling lots of boats too so I think everyone is competing to get shippers right now. That's my assumption anyways.

Yup. A big ol bubba and his old lady was sleeping in the back seat. Poor mans sleeper cab right?? ??

 

[Stevenpigsooie]

Sincere question here. Why do these dedicated wake boats need aftermarket ballast kits and lead weight to surf?

 

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

They will all throw a decent Surf Wave right out of the box. Some better than others, but that's also somewhat subjective(some are more of a skim wave, some are more a surf wave). To answer your question though, manufacturers really can't get away with running as much weight as they want to really maximize the wave because then they are over Coast Guard capacity. So additional ballast helps to really unlock the wave potential and you can typically get it taller, longer, and have more push with additional ballast.

 

[haknslash]

^^^Exactly.

To add, these boats are BIG. The stock systems are intended to work at their potential with a near full boat pushing it into the water. If you don't have a near full boat then you'll want to add ballast to compensate for the lighter load. There's no replacement for displacement. Want a big wave then you need weight.

 

[Arcadyus]

Sincere question here. Why do these dedicated wake boats need aftermarket ballast kits and lead weight to surf?

it's really just a simple formula. Take the Max capacity of your boat. Then be at, at least 80% of that. So my max for my boat is 6500 lbs. I have 4000 lbs of stock ballast. So I'm about 1200 lbs short of 80%. Well why would they do that you ask. Marketing. If they added another 1200 lbs that's like 8 less people that could be on the boat. So a 24.5 ft boat with a capacity of 10 isn't exactly easy to market. So you have a decent wave stock prob 10x better than anything my little jet boat could do. But if you spend 100k for a boat you don't want just OK. So I spent another $1285 on 1200 lbs of lead to give me a proper wave. I opted not to add the wakeboard racks that are $3000. So still under what I could have been with wakeboard racks but no extra weight.

 

[haknslash]

Sanger putting out a new boat for 2020. I'm not a huge fan of the Sanger styling but this one looks much nicer and not as dated as the other models. Wave looks good too.

Specs:

https://www.facebook.com/202075219810282/posts/3148894278461680

 

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

Wow! Glad to see them make a stab at staying current. Theyve been building out of the 215 and 237 molds for so long!! Guess they finally decided to shell out the R and D $ and tooling costs for a new boat. I wonder if their neighbors up the road (MB) will do the same. Both those two have just been doing tower, helm, and surf system changes to the same old hulls for quite a while.

 

[MattFX4]

Nice looking boat. Big Bimini top too.

 

[Recoveringfiberglassaddic]

I didnt notice until I started digging for more info, the observer/spotters seat is weird. I'm wondering why??

 

[haknslash]

Wow! Glad to see them make a stab at staying current. Theyve been building out of the 215 and 237 molds for so long!! Guess they finally decided to shell out the R and D $ and tooling costs for a new boat. I wonder if their neighbors up the road (MB) will do the same. Both those two have just been doing tower, helm, and surf system changes to the same old hulls for quite a while.

There's been rumors for the longest time that a new 24' Tomcat will come from MB but that didn't happen last year so maybe this year. Who knows lol. I looked into MB when I was shopping and liked the boats but the dealer support here is weak and I didn't feel comfortable going with it because of that reason. I mean the dealer here his showroom was just two boats in it with very minimal upkeep and overhead. His shop was a detached garage so yea wasn't going down that road. They make a nice boat though and gotta love the deep V.

 

[MattFX4]

5200lbs ballast. Damn!

 

[haknslash]

Here's some more pics of it. Yea the observers seat is a bit weird layout. Kind of gives them their own wrap around section.

 

[OrangeTJ]

Wow! Glad to see them make a stab at staying current. Theyve been building out of the 215 and 237 molds for so long!! Guess they finally decided to shell out the R and D $ and tooling costs for a new boat. I wonder if their neighbors up the road (MB) will do the same. Both those two have just been doing tower, helm, and surf system changes to the same old hulls for quite a while.

Not sure where you are getting your info about MB from or how "quite a while" is defined, but the B52 23 got a new hull in 2018, The F22 was new in 2014 and got a new running surface and top deck in 2019, there's an all new F24 coming out any day now.