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[Wisefam22]

I really do not see this as a "surfing mod", at least not yet.
In theory, it could help induce delayed convergence which would be amazing but it may or may not do that (enough) vs lifting the stern and/or pushing the water down instead of to the side. Who knows. This would need to be empirically tested/demonstrated.

Do I buy this will deflect jet wash water down? Yes!

At what expense? IDK. But, for many who just wake board and/or pull kids that could be the ticket!

Will it enhance the surf wake beyond what we know we can get with Gatlin wedge? IDK.
It would be fantastic, revolutionary even. But - I doubt it (to be completely honest). We will see!

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I think it's a surfing mod in the aspect it cleans the face of wake up. How well, idk... I never thought I'd have to get rid of ballast. Throwing a bag on the deck isnt that bad imo for the 20-30min my wife and I are surfing.

 

[4x15mph]

@JetBoatPilot - you mention this will work for 2003-2019. Curious if this will work for a 2001 LS2000 (similar to 2003 AR210) and if not, what's the limitation?

Great product and you are killing it! Really great work

 

[spatty99]

I also think this is acting like a sort of trim tab, and the effect will be to raise the stern and lower the bow. When doing that the resulting surf wave pocket is generally cleaner and longer, but comes at the expense of wave push. Being relatively lighter, jet boats need all the push they can get, so for surfing I think other devices (literally tons of ballast, wedge, surfpointe, etc.) are still required.

 

[JetBoatPilot]

@JetBoatPilot - you mention this will work for 2003-2019. Curious if this will work for a 2001 LS2000 (similar to 2003 AR210) and if not, what's the limitation?

Great product and you are killing it! Really great work

The two stroke models had narrow openings in the hull where the jet pumps were mounted and because of the dual springs being on the inside of the fins I'm concerned that the fins will rub the gelcoat or restrict turning radius.

 

[JetBoatPilot]

@JetBoatPilot will this work with the new 2019 redesigned OEM pumps?

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Yes for sure!

 

[JetBoatPilot]

Will, to get this product on a 19’ with a rudder, do you need the remove the rudder for install? I realize you don’t lose the rudder as you put it back on but from my prior experience with the lateral thruster it was the worse part of the install.

Should not require removal of the rudder. We're testing new single engine designs next week as well.

 

[MidnightRider]

I am 100% positive one would still need the Gatlin Wake Wedge

Seems to me that this product is attempting to do the exact same thing the Gatling wedge is doing, clean up the wake. Although we don’t know if it does as good of job at it, it is a hell of a lot more convient for boats that have both goofy and regular surfers. I’d challenge your statement cause so far Will’s products have always delivered according to and even above and beyond their claims for me. Of course ballast is still needed and there are downsides namely no “always down fins with this setup - not sure I could go there.

 

[SCP1]

Should not require removal of the rudder. We're testing new single engine designs next week as well.

I’m super excited as on the 19 the only way to get a clean wave is to go in a circle with the ballast bag on the back. Also excited for the benefit for tubing, skiing, wakeboarding, ect...

 

[MattFX4]

Seems to me that this product is attempting to do the exact same thing the Gatling wedge is doing, clean up the wake. Although we don’t know if it does as good of job at it, it is a hell of a lot more convient for boats that have both goofy and regular surfers. I’d challenge your statement cause so far Will’s products have always delivered according to and even above and beyond their claims for me. Of course ballast is still needed and there are downsides namely no “always down fins with this setup - not sure I could go there.

Exactly what I was thinking. The wedge cleans up the wave. If this new device cleans up the wave by deflecting the jet wash then it’s doing the same thing. I don’t think any product will replace the need for ballast. Hell the true wake Boat’s require tons of ballast too.

 

[jpkl]

I also think this is acting like a sort of trim tab, and the effect will be to raise the stern and lower the bow. When doing that the resulting surf wave pocket is generally cleaner and longer, but comes at the expense of wave push. Being relatively lighter, jet boats need all the push they can get, so for surfing I think other devices (literally tons of ballast, wedge, surfpointe, etc.) are still required.

My thoughts also... without seeing the video/real life, it seems to be a hybrid application specific to jet boats that will in some ways work like the Gatlin Wake Wedge and in others like trim tabs that will improve some elements of Surfing, Tubing, Wake Boarding, and even the ride in chop. The "but" is that to get a great wave the jet boat is still going to require ballast options > displacement, and the management of them.

I was previously wondering if the use of dual-WakeBoosters might turn out to be an option... for those willing to go there. Not sure if that is "possible" but if so it would likely make a heckuva surf wave just by themselves. Add these "WAKE Vectors" as an option on a single WB (or dual WB) boat and I can see the multifaceted ability to trim the boat/wake as a great++

 

[Bruce]

Just saw this video of the product

 

[biffdotorg]

I also think this is acting like a sort of trim tab, and the effect will be to raise the stern and lower the bow. When doing that the resulting surf wave pocket is generally cleaner and longer, but comes at the expense of wave push. Being relatively lighter, jet boats need all the push they can get, so for surfing I think other devices (literally tons of ballast, wedge, surfpointe, etc.) are still required.

I’m in agreement with Swatski on this one. I think many are giving way too much credit to the force that these small springs have on the fins. We are talking about the amount of force to make the fins drop at low thrust. So their ability to act as a trim tab is next to nothing. This product is going to apply enough force to take down the jet wash and that’s about it. Maybe knocking a couple mph off the top end, but if I had to guess, that will be minimal as well.

From those of us that have actually installed and used modified ride plates and trim tabs, the amount of force needed to “drop the bow” or “raise the stern” will never be replicated by a non fixed plate lowered with two springs. And as I have discussed with Will before, I think the springs on my Thrust Vectors have actually weakened over time and the fins come up prematurely. As at 6-10mph, my 242 is all over the place and wanders as if it never had fins. Almost to the point that I am considering fixed fins. I do think new springs are needed every so many years just to maintain effectiveness of the fins.

So all that being said, I think many are wishing for an effect that cannot be done with this product. No, it won’t take the porpoising out of the bow, are not require the need for ballast to surf. But for what Will has claimed it can do, it will be worth the price of admission. And I am truly excited about installing, rather than replacing my worn and weakened springs.

 

[J-RAD]

If there's one thing I do know, that is owning jet boats has resulted in converting us all to hydrophysicist... lol!



Will has developed a product with some significant claims and I'm anxious to see the product speak for itself.

 

[DavisAR195]

If there's one thing I do know, that is owning jet boats has resulted in converting us all to hydrophysicist... lol!

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Will has developed a product up with some significant claims and I'm anxious to see the product speak for itself.

I particularly like X

 

[Mainah]

If there's one thing I do know, that is owning jet boats has resulted in converting us all to hydrophysicist... lol!

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Will has developed a product up with some significant claims and I'm anxious to see the product speak for itself.

Love it.

 

[swatski]

Seems to me that this product is attempting to do the exact same thing the Gatling wedge is doing, clean up the wake. Although we don’t know if it does as good of job at it, it is a hell of a lot more convient for boats that have both goofy and regular surfers. I’d challenge your statement cause so far Will’s products have always delivered according to and even above and beyond their claims for me. Of course ballast is still needed and there are downsides namely no “always down fins with this setup - not sure I could go there.

The quote within the context was trying to caveat the 100% statement, lol:

This new device looks to be a manual, unidirectional diverter. I have to think about it, but at first look I am 100% positive one would still need the Gatlin Wake Wedge (and of course ballast, more if anything because of the stern lift/rise due to the deflector action) to generate the best wave.

The boat will still need to be listed (to make the best surfing wave)(...)

The key part of the statement is the last part - about the need to still list the boat!

Repositioning the swim platform bag, as good as it works, and as much as I love the thing, is a major PIA!

I am willing to bet money the Wake Wedge (Gatlin) plus the Gatlin swim deck ballast bag will beat any combination of the Will's new gizmo with/out the WakeBooster and throw anything else on top of it, hands down - when it comes to the quality and the size of the wake wave for surfing.

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[swatski]

And... (no to piss in anyone's punch bowl, but...) the talk about surfing both sides of the wake... (I guess not listing the hull) is just making me a little skeptical about the whole thing... sorry.

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[JetBoatPilot]

I’m in agreement with Swatski on this one. I think many are giving way too much credit to the force that these small springs have on the fins. We are talking about the amount of force to make the fins drop at low thrust. So their ability to act as a trim tab is next to nothing. This product is going to apply enough force to take down the jet wash and that’s about it. Maybe knocking a couple mph off the top end, but if I had to guess, that will be minimal as well.

From those of us that have actually installed and used modified ride plates and trim tabs, the amount of force needed to “drop the bow” or “raise the stern” will never be replicated by a non fixed plate lowered with two springs. And as I have discussed with Will before, I think the springs on my Thrust Vectors have actually weakened over time and the fins come up prematurely. As at 6-10mph, my 242 is all over the place and wanders as if it never had fins. Almost to the point that I am considering fixed fins. I do think new springs are needed every so many years just to maintain effectiveness of the fins.

So all that being said, I think many are wishing for an effect that cannot be done with this product. No, it won’t take the porpoising out of the bow, are not require the need for ballast to surf. But for what Will has claimed it can do, it will be worth the price of admission. And I am truly excited about installing, rather than replacing my worn and weakened springs.

If you look closely on the product images at the left side of the pivot point you'll see an integrated stop. It looks like an eagle's beak. Both fins have one and they will be stainless steel. They will come to rest on two stops added during installation and will limit the travel upward at a specific angle. Once the jet thrust forces the fins there the deflector takes over and sets the deflection angle of the jetstream. That is how we get the trim effect as well as the variety of angles. Without it this would simply be a fancy set of thrust vector xv's.

 

[Rod5]

I’m in agreement with Swatski on this one. I think many are giving way too much credit to the force that these small springs have on the fins. We are talking about the amount of force to make the fins drop at low thrust. So their ability to act as a trim tab is next to nothing. This product is going to apply enough force to take down the jet wash and that’s about it. Maybe knocking a couple mph off the top end, but if I had to guess, that will be minimal as well.

From those of us that have actually installed and used modified ride plates and trim tabs, the amount of force needed to “drop the bow” or “raise the stern” will never be replicated by a non fixed plate lowered with two springs. And as I have discussed with Will before, I think the springs on my Thrust Vectors have actually weakened over time and the fins come up prematurely. As at 6-10mph, my 242 is all over the place and wanders as if it never had fins. Almost to the point that I am considering fixed fins. I do think new springs are needed every so many years just to maintain effectiveness of the fins.

So all that being said, I think many are wishing for an effect that cannot be done with this product. No, it won’t take the porpoising out of the bow, are not require the need for ballast to surf. But for what Will has claimed it can do, it will be worth the price of admission. And I am truly excited about installing, rather than replacing my worn and weakened springs.

Oh he just beat me to it....
I don’t think they are relying on the hinge springs to deflect jet wash. Watch the video again and you will see when he lifts the fin there is a hard stop at the 55 second mark. Also if you have these fins you can see they look twice as thick much more ridged as if they are now made of solid ABS or something like that.
I really don’t understand all the na sayers that haven’t even seen a video of it in action yet...

 

[JetBoatPilot]

I was hesitant to publish this video for the public but after review I decided to make it public. It does a good job of teaching what we're looking to accomplish in production, obviously much more polished and robust. This video was produced to show our patent attorney how best to write the language needed.

I hope this helps shed some light on areas where there might be questions.