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$928 for front brakes!!!! WTF????

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Car was at the Audi dealer today and they said front brakes need pads and rotors.....and that they had the parts and it would only be $928. I almost laughed out loud.

"Uh...no....I think I'll hold off on that"

Ordered the parts kit from Rockauto.com, delivered for $265. About an hour of labor to replace the rotors and pads....and I'll be done.

I figure Audi's cost has to be maybe $120 for the parts? So $800/hour for their labor? What are they thinking????
 

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Ouch!! I would've done the same as you.
 

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I have to agree that something seems out of touch with auto repair prices these days. Dealers are higher than ever and even the local guy that I was going to is outrageous. Just had a similar case with my daughter's car. I found the complete front strut, spring, and mount assemblies online for half of what even my local guy said he was paying for them and they were the exact same brand. End of the day took me an hour and saved me hundreds of dollars over my local guy or the dealer.

Someone in the chain sure is raising prices faster than inflation and its not the parts makers.
 

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Good call @Julian I just ordered my power stop slotted and drilled rotors and pads from amazon yesterday. I started on Rockauto but amazon beat them by about $30. Crappy thing is... my car has high performance pads and rotors and I only got 33K miles out of the factory setup. but for under $200, small price to pay for my spirited city driving, I guess. Now I just need to heat the garage up and get it done!
 

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Interesting!

I too got totally raped by an Audi dealer recently. It hurt, but had no choice, after I tried everything.
In my case, I had a non-working electric harness/module in my 2013 Q7TDI trailer hitch when I bought the car. Turned out I had to replace the whole package including the module AND factory hitch (sold together only) to get everything back to factory specs and keep it compatible with current/future software updates. I thought that was crazy and I tried everything, talked to several shops, even sourced some VW Tuareg parts that were supposed to work (but didn't), came very close to calling @veedubtek to the rescue, LOL, finally had to throw in the towel...
It sucked A$$ with the total coming to $2k :eek: (about 10x the price of a standard set w/domestic parts?)

Oh well, I still freaking love that car. It is a beast. That said, I think I will be doing my own breaks -- thanks for the heads up @Julian!

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Interesting!

I too got totally raped by an Audi dealer recently. It hurt, but had no choice, after I tried everything.
In my case, I had a non-working electric harness/module in my 2013 Q7TDI trailer hitch when I bought the car. Turned out I had to replace the whole package including the module AND factory hitch (sold together only) to get everything back to factory specs and keep it compatible with current/future software updates. I thought that was crazy and I tried everything, talked to several shops, even sourced some VW Tuareg parts that were supposed to work (but didn't), came very close to calling @veedubtek to the rescue, LOL, finally had to throw in the towel...
It sucked A$$ with the total coming to $2k :eek: (about 10x the price of a standard set w/domestic parts?)

Oh well, I still freaking love that car. It is a beast. That said, I think I will be doing my own breaks -- thanks for the heads up @Julian!

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If you plan to do your own brakes you will need to buy a 16mm triple square to get the rotors off (assuming it is the same as my 2011). I bought a set on Amazon.

@GiddYupJoe I looked on Amazon for a comparable price to rock auto, and the closest I got was $20 higher, and that was before I got the 5% off coupon code for rockauto.
 

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I took my wife's Acura into the dealer to replace both air bags under a recall. The rep called me a few hours later to tell me the job was done but the inspection showed that I needed new brakes all the way around, a new power streering pump, in cabin air filter, engine air filter and some other things that would normally cost $2,500 to address but he could do it all for just $1,900. I took it to my local mechanic who said all I needed was front brakes, I knew as much since I had recently had the car maintained including replacing the in cabin air filter. My total cost was $200 for front brakes. The dealer sent me several surveys afterwards and I was brutally truthful about my experience. I'm only going back there if the work is covered under a recall.
 

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Good thread and agree on dealership service prices; cars and boats. I have stuck to Acura and Honda since I have good luck and for the minor maintenance (brakes), it is an easy DIY.

I keep looking at Porsche, Range Rover, Audi, others but reading a story like @swatski and a hitch repair makes me remember the downsides. I still may fall for a Range Rover soon... nice looking suv, bad ratings
 

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I have always done most car work myself. Some things I can't do (auto transmissions) but most of it I can. Nowadays I usually have to buy some kind of a unique tool but overall the cost is less and I enjoy the satisfaction of doing it. As I get older I may not be able to as much as I did before but so far so good. I also do most of my home repairs and have turned a few houses over. I guess I just like "fixing" stuff.
 

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As I get older I may not be able to as much as I did before but so far so good.
I hear you on that count! Loosening the triple square bolts holding the rear pads on was a pain in the ass! No room to get any tools in there and it takes some leverage....not sure what kind of gorilla they have to tighten them!
 

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This thread reminds me a little about thread on how much it costs to have a dealer do the 10 hour maintenance on a Yamaha jet boat. Mine charges close to $800 for that, basically an oil change.

I understand the comments on DYI but still take my cars to jiffy lube / speedy lube to change the oil and filter. I figure I could do it myself for around $30 but it would take me time to get the materials and dispose of the used oil, plus I'd have to dress properly to roll under the car on a crawler. If I take it to a lube shop they do it all for $50, top off the fluids, check the tire pressure and do a multi point inspection in 30 minutes while I wait in the car.

I salute you guys that do the really heavy stuff yourselves, like swapping out engines, replacing hard to remove suspension bushings or the entire floor pan like @veedubtek did or is doing. I also feel sorry for those who unknowingly get gouged by dealers.
 

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This thread reminds me a little about thread on how much it costs to have a dealer do the 10 hour maintenance on a Yamaha jet boat. Mine charges close to $800 for that, basically an oil change.

I understand the comments on DYI but still take my cars to jiffy lube / speedy lube to change the oil and filter. I figure I could do it myself for around $30 but it would take me time to get the materials and dispose of the used oil, plus I'd have to dress properly to roll under the car on a crawler. If I take it to a lube shop they do it all for $50, top off the fluids, check the tire pressure and do a multi point inspection in 30 minutes while I wait in the car.

I salute you guys that do the really heavy stuff yourselves, like swapping out engines, replacing hard to remove suspension bushings or the entire floor pan like @veedubtek did or is doing. I also feel sorry for those who unknowingly get gouged by dealers.
I'd have paid the dealer a reasonable price for doing the brakes (like $150/hour)....so $300-350, but asking 3 times reasonable is simply a rip off.....but apparently some people are willing to pay that much! A basic brake job where you are just replacing pads and rotors is about as simple as changing the oil. If it gets into leaking lines etc...more of a PITA. I too salute the guys that get into the heavy stuff....I'm lucky that I have a neighbor who was a former auto mechanic (at his dad's shop) and he likes to help his neighbors tackle the harder jobs-and will do it for a reasonable fee for you. He just rebuilt the entire front end of a mini that the dealer quoted $3600 to do, and charged the neighbor less than 2k. Took him a while though.....so you have to be willing to wait....
 

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I spent 15 years working at different dealers, and I can just about guarantee if you are paying for work there, you are getting ripped off. There are exceptions to this, but they are very few and far between unfortunately. I'd elaborate, but I hate typing on my phone and I'd have to charge you by the hour to do it. :p. In all honesty, a lot of shops rip you off these days. I read a receipt from someone last week that had a $100 charge for "time spent gathering parts". I couldn't believe it.
 

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Okay, just a couple of clarifications here. (in light of some of the commentaries)

In my case, I was never quoted $2,000 for something that could be done for $200. I needed a job that involved reprograming of the proprietary software, which requires OEM module/parts AND work performed by an authorized shop (w/access to Audi factory systems).

I have spend some time considering the job. Contacted all five dealers in my area and a few independent shops, finally settled to have it done by the most reasonable shop (that also happened to be a dealership). Did I feel ripped off? Sure, it sucks to have to pay that much for something that most of us think about as a $200-300 job (trailer hitch and harness install). That said, the shop was actually kind of reasonable as far as the charges, the MAJORITY of the $2k bill was for freaking parts they had to source from the mother ship in Europe.

(What was wrong with the car int he first place, as it turned out the original dealership somehow sold the car to the first owner with a trailering module missing a harness part. Unfortunately, those are only sold as complete kits from factory, to keep the warranty. The original owner never used it for towing, and was unaware. When I figured that out, he was very nice and made some phone calls, ended up getting a coupon from the dealer for a brand new battery w/install. Anyway.)

Could it be done cheaper or not at a dealership? - the short answer is: NO. Not as far as I am concerned. With an almost new car (25k miles) I would not want to be stuck with an unauthorized software upgrade and non-OEM parts as that would void my extended warranty, and would also be potentially tricky to fix down the road if the car ever breaks down. Unfortunately, that is the unpleasant part of the reality of owning some of those brands. I am still EXTREMELY happy with the 3.0 TDI car on the whole, would purchase it again in a heart beat for the same money, or even substantially more than I ended up paying.

Funny, because I have always, always liked a Range Rover (which wife would always veto) but I don't want one any more! I honestly can not see what would be a more perfect car to tow a YJB that is also my regular commuter and a family hauler that seats seven adults. We just came back from a little ski vacation, it was very comfortable for the six of us plus all the stuff my wife would pack for three days. Those cars look deceptively small-ish on the outside. But extremely well designed and spacious inside, and pull like a mofo.

I think everyone here should get one. :D

EDIT: just read @veedubtek piece below, first!
In my defense, I tried sourcing parts myself at first, but that was going nowhere fast. And I did find the shop that did the job to my complete satisfaction, albeit I still paid through the nose.

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Ok. I'm in front of my computer now. :p

Until you realize the "reprogram" is nothing more than checking a box that you can do yourself with a $60 bluetooth module (or many other systems). ;) In your case, it was likely already checked as you actually had the system, it was just missing a part/faulty. Even in that case, parts *are* available separately. Most parts guys are too lazy to look into it though. And, it wouldn't affect warranty whatsoever. With something like this (with VAG anyway), it's impossible to tell if the OEM system was installed at factory, port, dealer, or in bob's garage - assuming it was all installed correctly. With my last Ram, after I added all the nav, and premium instrument cluster and such, all I had to do was make a phone call to get them "added" to my VIN and they were all covered under warranty as well. I'm sure each manufacturer is a little different.

e.g. - My TDI Touareg I had a few months back. I snagged the OEM hitch from car-part, and bought the module/harness from the dealer. Cost me $350 or so and a couple hours of my time.

Now, I'd venture to guess most independent shops can't handle this efficiently or accurately. You've got to find a specialist. But guess what? Most dealers can't either. Majority of dealers are chock full of broom techs with access to a 1-800 tech hotline number and a large dealer bankroll that can afford to pay for all their mistakes. Most techs that stick around long enough to attain master status, don't stick around much longer because they're tired of training car wash kids to work on 100K sedans. However, if you have work performed there, you've got security in that large bankroll behind it so they'll hopefully make anything right. The last dealer I was at had a $12,000 internal service "policy" per month. Anything the dealer had to "eat" came out of that policy. It was maxed out and beyond most months.

To expand on that a bit. You take your car to the dealer for a check engine light, you are out of warranty. You know that survey you always get after work at the dealer? That is SERIOUS business to dealer employees. Their pay depends on it. So, the big question that matters to the tech is "FRFT - Was your car fixed right the first time?". So, let's say they pull multiple codes from your computer. Oxygen sensor, MAF sensor, fuel trim errors, misfires, and a catalytic converter fault. You can just about guarantee that kid that was washing cars 6 months ago is gonna tell you that you need about $2500 worth of work including all those sensors, cat, etc.. He's likely also gonna list questions on his estimate like timing belt? pollen filter? air filter? - directing the service advisor to examine your history to see if these items have been tended to. However, the service advisor was also just washing cars 6 months ago, so he's just gonna try to sell you those services too. Oh, but you should also get this fuel induction service. And this power steering and brake and coolant flush. And all these other snake oil packages. So, now you're $4000 into it, but your car was "fixed right the first time", so they get paid. Except, it wasn't. 2 days later, your light comes back on for the vacuum leak it originally had causing all those faults. You take it back, they blame it on something, but go ahead and eat it on good faith. And maybe throw in a car wash and oil change for free. Congratulations. You cost them $80. They took you for $4000. But somehow, you come away feeling ok about the whole situation. This happens Every Single Day at most dealers.

Not bad enough? How about labor times. There are industry standard guidelines for how much labor should be charged per job. I've never seen a dealer use them. They short staff so much, honestly, most don't have time. And technicians? They get "burnt" so bad on warranty times, customer pay jobs are "redemption" for them. Let's say you have a faulty oxygen sensor under warranty, the tech gets paid .60 hours or so to replace it. It's hard to get to. It took some extra diagnostic time to figure it out. First time he does it, it takes him 2 hours. He lost money. So, next guy comes in out of warranty and needs the same job performed. Well, industry standard usually pays more than factory warranty time, let's say it's 1 hour as opposed to .6 Doesn't matter. He lost his ass last time under warranty, so he's charging you 3 hours. That's why Julians brake job quote was so outrageous. There was probably 3 labor hours quoted + parts (not to mention the way dealers "matrix" parts prices - all parts prices are OVER retail at dealers now, thanks to a bean counter with no scruples). Don't believe me? Go look through your glovebox at an old invoice where you had work done at the dealer and google the part numbers and compare prices. Compare to OEM MSRP which is easy to find. You paid more. Sorry. Want more proof? Get an estimate from a dealer for something. Call 3 other dealers and get quoted for the same job. I bet every estimate you receive is different. Had nothing to do with industry standard anymore, it's all about how greedy they are. When you call for an estimate on a repair (not maintenance, they have menus for that), the advisor will put you on hold because he has to go ask a technician how much he wants to do the job. YES. HOW MUCH HE WANTS. Are you freakin kidding me? That's how broke our system is right now.

However - on the other side of all that. If you're the guy that hates money, and always has the dealer fix everything they recommend to you, you have some awesome leverage. Take for example the 2010-2013 Audi's the burned more oil than gas. If you were out of warranty and needed new pistons, and you were a good service customer there, the dealer would go to bat for you, and very likely get your repairs covered under "goodwill". So, you might've spent $5000 more than you should've on repairs and maintenance for 3 years, but you just saved yourself a $9000 repair bill. It doesn't always work out that way, but it does happen.

I'm obviously jaded a bit, but I'm kinda passionate about it. It took me years to leave the dealer because of my love for the brand, but I just couldn't deal with the way most do business anymore. I tried fixing it multiple times, but bean counters determined it was more profitable to do it their way. If I didn't have such passion for resurrecting the unfixable, or fixing what noone else could, I would've left the business long ago. There are good dealers out there. There are good shops out there. But it's gonna cost some of your time and patience to find em.
 

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About three month ago I took my work car a Toyota Prius to the dealer for service. While there they came out and said in their inspection they noticed my passenger side head light was burnt out and if I would like them to replace it. I had already replaced both headlight bulbs about a year prior myself easy enough but they already had it in back so I said sure why not I figured what the heck what was it going to cost $20 no big deal. As the service adviser was walking away I way I figured i better ask how much it would be and glad I did he responded $285 I think I said WTF out loud in the waiting area. He told me they had to take the front bumper off to install the new bulb and it was was a 2 hour job. Right in front of the 20 or so people in the waiting room I told him that I had replaced both bulbs already and it took me all of 30 seconds to do each with no tools. He told me they couldn't do that I replied if they like for $285 I would go back there and teach them how to I lost all confidence in thinking my dealer was fair that day.
 

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Now, I'd venture to guess most independent shops can't handle this efficiently or accurately. You've got to find a specialist. But guess what? Most dealers can't either.
That is exactly what I found!!! I couldn't believe it, at first. But at the end, that was all I could find, except ONE dealer that seemed okay. Seriously, before that one it was embarrassing, just like you said!
I couldn't take it anymore. After a visit to one last "independent shop" where two clowns started f@cking with my car and I had to tell them to stop, I was back to the one dealer I kind of trusted.

F@ck me! Next time I'm bringing it to NC, or wherever you are going to move!


Awesome write-up.

EDIT: @veedubtek I want to give you five thumbs up, man, that is a good read!!!

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That is exactly what I found!!! I couldn't believe it, at first. But at the end, that was all I could find, except ONE dealer that seemed okay. Seriously, before that one it was embarrassing, just like you said!
I couldn't take it anymore. After a visit to one last "independent shop" where two clowns started f@cking with my car and I had to tell them to stop, I was back to the one dealer I kind of trusted.

F@ck me! Next time I'm bringing it to NC, or wherever you are going to move!


Awesome write-up.

EDIT: @veedubtek I want to give you five thumbs up, man, that is a good read!!!

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That was my takeaway after reading @veedubtek's post as well.
 

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That is why they are called stealerships. Took my Honda Hybrid in (would never buy a hybrid – spend all that extra cash to for better MPG that you will never make up for what you were ripped off for the price of the car? But I digress.) I inherited the car so it was a freebie. Battery went. Thank God it was still under a warranty. Dealer fixed it. $4500 which I didn’t have to pay. Then, by the way…..I needed front brakes, an air cabin filter, and transmission flush, blah blah blah. Funny, a-holes, I just replaced the cabin air filter last month, and the brakes 3 months ago. Kiss my ass. Then, my 2002 Silverado had the ABS sensors go. Was under a recall, but they had to take the brakes apart to fix it. Into the stealership I went. After they fixed the ABS sensors, the call came in. We can’t put your brakes back on, they are unsafe. Oh yea a-hole? I will tell you what. How much? I got a price. I told them I will pay half of that, since you already have the brakes apart for having to fix the ABS sensors. No extra labor, just replace the pads and do whatever you need to do, and away we go. Everyone is happy. The a-hole service advisor refused, saying he was required to bill me fully for the brake job, even though everything was apart; and they wouldn’t put my old brakes back on I had to have them fix the brakes per their standard. I said no problem, I will tow the truck out of there and I will sue your ass tomorrow and that’s going to be one expensive lawsuit when you end up paying my attorney’s fees under the consumer protection laws of this state. The truck was ready to go in an hour, and I ran on those brakes for another 6 months.

These places are thieves. I wish I had the skills to do these things myself. I am just happy I have a local shop, run by an honest guy I trust who has never and will never screw me over. Plus, I suppose it matters that I only drive Hondas or Toyotas now. They run forever. I’ve had my fill of BMWs, Benzes and a Porsche. Never, ever again will I buy one of those mechanical nightmares. I just love my Honda Odyssey. 150000 miles and have done nothing to it other than change the oil, brakes, tires and fluids. I had to laugh when my neighbor said it was time for her to get a new van as it was falling apart due to the high mileage on it. I laughed out loud when she said her POS Ford mini-van only had 75,000 miles on it and was falling apart so bad she had to buy a new one. Rant over. I have yet to find an honest stealership.
 

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Again, great thread! @veedubtek , are you working in NC these days and repairing cars?

I have so many other stories especially the routine inspections where you have to bring the car to a service or dealer. I go to the dealer when I can since it is a comedy show. One time I had the rear differential fluid changed on our MDX (over 120K miles at that time) and then went for inspection. They said that I needed rear differential and they changed it without asking. That was an easy argument for me. Recently had the same experience with changing out a headlight bulb where they just went ahead and changed it and then tried to slip some ridiculous labor+parts price on the bill.

@veedubtek - expert opinion. What's my next SUV to consider? If it is 7/8 passenger, that is a plus
 
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