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How old is too old?

haknslash

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Our 12 year old daughter is an only child. I’m 44 years old and my wife is 39. We could financially make it work but if we had a baby today, by the time I’m 64 the child would just be in its 20’s! To me that kind of age gap is worrisome and my biggest fear would be leaving this Earth with a child just in young adulthood, or worse. Retirement life would go out the window as well. How old do you think is too old?

One thing is for certain we would have to move out this garden home but the market sucks ass right now. We have been saving a lot for a home for the last 2 years and have a nice chunk in savings for the down payment but we can’t find shit we like where we live. I’d love to buy some land and build but not sure if that makes sense to do during such inflated times and supply chain issues. That’s for another topic though. I just know my house is too small now to add another child to it lol.
 
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LOL, I thought this was a thread about when, or when not, to buy an old boat!

No opinion, but I would offer that it is only a decision that you and your wife can make.

I'm considerably older than you (17 years), but we had our daughter when I was 34. We wanted a second child, but my wife's health at the time would not allow it. While we would have had a second child if the timing was right, there are certain advantages of having only one child. One of them, of course, is financial, have you priced the cost of college? o_O) Another is, as I get closer to retirement, there is less worries. Daughter has already graduated college and is starting out on her own career. I can retire a couple of years early (62) and since college costs is no longer a factor, we can (and are) building our retirement dream house.

Jim
 
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Oh I know it’s only a decision we could make and I wouldn’t be swayed from some boat forum advise or anything lol. I’m just looking for anyone whose parents also had them in a later stage in their life and bonus if they had an older sibling in the same age gap. Yea I totally hear you on the financials of having only one child. College would be a dream for both but by then no telling how much it will cost :D! I also think long and hard about the day we can finally or hopefully retire in our 60’s and go back to ‘us’ time for the wifey and I. By then daughter will be out of college and we could do our own thing as we wished when we wished. That would be gone with another child. Damn that sounds kind of mean but is what it is. May just get daughter a puppy to give her something to look after the more I have pondered on this for weeks since the wife brought it up. It would certainly be much cheaper :D
 
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One thing is for certain we would have to move out this garden home but the market sucks ass right now. We have been saving a lot for a home for the last 2 years and have a nice chunk in savings for the down payment but we can’t find shit we like where we live. I’d love to buy some land and build but not sure if that makes sense to do during such inflated times and supply chain issues.

I would offer that maybe you should go ahead and explore the idea of building a house as you really never know until you have the numbers. We bought a lot and are doing a custom build on the lot. Our experience is that the price of land, at least in our area, hasn't really changed during the pandemic. We bought our lot (in a very small subdivision of 55 lots), last November, from another couple at a great price. Regarding supply chain issues, I don't think it really is an issue for many builders. Our builder is able to get all the materials (we did have to change siding on the house) and it is more an issue of longer lead times for construction due to high building demand. It is true that supply issues have led to higher construction prices. Had we waited and not contracted our home last February, we would have seen a 15% increase in the build cost. However, my expectation is that build cost will normalize in the next year.

Jim
 
@haknslash You are not too old to have another child. I know people in their 50's whom have conceived and adopted and have wonderful families. You are never to old to have and raise children and to give something to them. I had kids when I was in my 20's, then again in my late 30's and now have young kids in the house and I am in my mid 50's. What I will say as I got older I appreciated children more and took much more enjoyment raising them and doing things with them. They keep me on the move.

Also if you don't want to start from ground zero again there is always adoption, to give a child a home whom has none.
 
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I would offer that maybe you should go ahead and explore the idea of building a house as you really never know until you have the numbers. We bought a lot and are doing a custom build on the lot. Our experience is that the price of land, at least in our area, hasn't really changed during the pandemic. We bought our lot (in a very small subdivision of 55 lots), last November, from another couple at a great price. Regarding supply chain issues, I don't think it really is an issue for many builders. Our builder is able to get all the materials (we did have to change siding on the house) and it is more an issue of longer lead times for construction due to high building demand. It is true that supply issues have led to higher construction prices. Had we waited and not contracted our home last February, we would have seen a 15% increase in the build cost. However, my expectation is that build cost will normalize in the next year.

Jim

Land appears to be marginally affected here as well. I'd love to get a few acres and build a forever home!! The houses right now are just stupidly priced and the market is still too thin to even want to play that game. I think building would be the way to go, especially to get all the things you want out of a house. Wife really wants a wrap around deck/porch and I want my space from neighbors. I'm hoping build costs continue to normalize. Wood has dropped back down but it's just everything else is also inflated right now. I don't know what will come of the current housing market in a year or few years but I just couldn't sleep at night paying the prices these things were going for. It's seemed to cool off a little but still a pretty crap market in my area.
 
I think this is ultimately going to be up to the boss, AKA your wife, LOL! My wife’s sisters and her are 15 years apart from each other, her mom decided at age 38-39 she wanted to have two more kids and did so. My wife and I had our first kid and she was 30, she will be 35 as our next one arrives in June. She didn’t want to have kids until she met me ??

I have a coworker that is 21 and his parents are in their 60s, he also has a sister that’s 2 years older than him. Many of my generation are waiting until their 30s to have kids, definitely different times since my mom and dad were 21 by the time they had all 3 of us.

Totally understand the whole not being able to boat or really do anything for a couple years. Due to my career change and us having a kid by June we most likely won’t get on the boat but a handful of times next summer..
 
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Our 12 year old daughter is an only child. I’m 44 years old and my wife is 39. We could financially make it work but if we had a baby today, by the time I’m 64 the child would just be in its 20’s! To me that kind of age gap is worrisome and my biggest fear would be leaving this Earth with a child just in young adulthood, or worse. Retirement life would go out the window as well. How old do you think is too old?

One thing is for certain we would have to move out this garden home but the market sucks ass right now. We have been saving a lot for a home for the last 2 years and have a nice chunk in savings for the down payment but we can’t find shit we like where we live. I’d love to buy some land and build but not sure if that makes sense to do during such inflated times and supply chain issues. That’s for another topic though. I just know my house is too small now to add another child to it lol.
... also pm ya' :cool:
 
I have thoughts, but I'm on my phone. I'll come back and post a lengthy reply when I get to a keyboard.

Short story is we had our youngest at 37/41. There is a 7yr age gap between them. Shelly will be 59 when the youngest graduates HS. There are plusses and minuses to it all.
 
Oh I know it’s only a decision we could make and I wouldn’t be swayed from some boat forum advise or anything lol. I’m just looking for anyone whose parents also had them in a later stage in their life and bonus if they had an older sibling in the same age gap. Yea I totally hear you on the financials of having only one child. College would be a dream for both but by then no telling how much it will cost :D! I also think long and hard about the day we can finally or hopefully retire in our 60’s and go back to ‘us’ time for the wifey and I. By then daughter will be out of college and we could do our own thing as we wished when we wished. That would be gone with another child. Damn that sounds kind of mean but is what it is. May just get daughter a puppy to give her something to look after the more I have pondered on this for weeks since the wife brought it up. It would certainly be much cheaper :D
I'm 38, I have a brother that is 54. My dad is 76, never really had a close relationship with him(my brother, But he's also a junkie of sorts) have 2 other brothers that are 3 and 6 years older as well. I say if you want it then go for it, but you already know that
 
I regret not adopting a 2nd child. It is much harder with Only children for them to learn so many different things. But this learning is mostly done when the kids are closer to each other in age than 12 years.

On the other hand, my wallet is enjoying only having one. I may decide to retire next year (at 57!) and there is no way we could do that if we'd adopted a 2nd child. I am quickly realizing that as I age things get harder and energy levels drop. So I'm intentionally shooting for as early a retirement as I can figure out because....well....we only live once. So the selfish side of me is DELIGHTED to be retiring soon!

Adopting is also no cake walk. It isn't cheap, and comes with its own set of challenges for both parents and child.

Good luck with this decision. Not an easy one for sure!
 
My parents are 35 years older than I. I have 4 sons that span from 5yo to 18yo. We had our last son with me at 42 and my wife at 40. I had concerns initially about being that much older than my youngest, but it was like riding a bike. Our large family is an instant party wherever we go and I’d change nothing if I had to do it again. All that said, my wife and I have very good jobs, so that obviously goes a long way when contemplating college costs.
 
Build your forever home and hope for lots of grandkiddies.
Me and Jeannine thought about having a kid a few years back. She is 7 years older than me. We are very glad we didn't do it.
We spend most of our extra free time making our forever home better and better.
We also take out 2 grandkids 4 and 6 as much as we can, and its a blast. Way more fun than raising them as parents
 
Had our one and only kid at 38, worked out fine, he just got married and I think they want kids but not till they are at least in the mid 30’s. Plus, we cannot predict the future, who knows what tomorrow will bring.

But the house! Keep the small house. It’s good to be close to the kid/kids and their friends. It’s ok to trip over shoes, clothes, look over their shoulders to see what they are doing on their phone. In my opinion, Privacy and space can just cause secrets and problems. It’s easier to know what they are watching on tv, who they are friends with, what they are up to and just plain talk about stuff when you are all in relatively close proximity. Don't make their bedroom so comfortable that it’s where they want to spend all their time and you feel like a guest in their space.
 
I had my first kid last year at 41 and planning on a second around the age you are. There are definitely days I wish I'd done it younger but I don't regret anything. Hopefully they'll keep me young and motivated to take care of myself so I can be around as long as possible while they grow up.

I was also an only child and I've always told people I know that they should have more than one kid. Sure, you get spoiled and all the stereotypical stuff but family things can get kind of boring as you get older and there's not someone your age at home or on family trips. Although my parents didn't have an awesome wake boat, which might have been a game changer! With a 12 year span maybe that isn't as much of a factor.

The other thing is that as you get older and start having health problems, it is really hard on one child to take on all of that. My mom was in really poor health most of her life and my dad has been through and survived cancer and it would have been so much better if I had a sibling to help.
 
Age is relative. The more important question is what is your biological age versus your chronological age.
For men, your sperm reproduction cycle has no effect as far as its replication reliability. Testosterone and sperm counts do drop the older you get, but each mans bell curve is subject to his biological health. Birth defects do not come from the male side of the ferritization process.

Women, on the other hand, are another story.

What I will say here is not popular, but it is the truth. Reproductive zenith for women is around 28. After that there is a precipitous drop.

This is especially important regarding your wife .Feminists have sold scores of women falsehoods. They can not truly have everything, all considered.

Having children over 35 (women) gets riskier and riskier every year as far as birth defects and disabilities. The real issue is that women are born with every single egg they will ever have. Said eggs are subject to every environmental poison and absorb and are rendered damaged the longer it goes.
That is every joint she ever smoked, every drink of alcohol, every prescription medication. Especially when you consider that 2/3 of American women over the age of 25 are on some type of anti anxiety or depression or psychotropic. Now Im not here to dig into your personal lives but one must consider this.

There are very clear reasons there are so many autistic, learning disabled, mental affected children now days. God forbid someone says the truth. Too many older women who wanted careers fist think they can have everything, and they are getting more than they bargained for.

I'm not trying to discourage you. BUT, you both must have a very sobering discussion, with your trusted physicians. Politics can not change biological realities, or say there is no male and female. PERIOD.

Devils advocate. How would all your hopes and plans fare if you went ahead and had a severely disabled child who would have be taken care of for the rest of his/her life.

Do older women have healthy babies, yes,...but the untold story now days is why the special education departments of schools can not keep up.
I have two daughter both married. The youngest is now 34, she and her husband "dont want kids". I told her thats fine,..........but do not turn 39 or 40 and get the itch and take the risk.

The older sister/hubby has two one a girl is now 12, the boy is one and a half, and she just turned 36. They are done.
 
OK, here we go :D :D......2 common themes in my life. I always have to warn "your mileage may vary" as I've found any time I dispense advice (requested or not) it's often found to be slightly off. Secondarily, I've often served only the purpose of doing things as a warning to others to NOT do it this way.

Wife is 3yrs older than I am. I'll timeline with my age, add 3 for her.

Met at 25
Married at 28
First kid 30
- OK this is where shit went off the rails for me. I had a full ride to college when I came out of high school and blew that with poor grades and general don't give a crap-ness. When I knew a kid was coming, I lost my mind and panic'd. I quite my job, had my first son, and started back to college all within 6 weeks. DO NOT DO THIS. It was all FAR FAR too stressful, and ruined the early years of our first kid for both of us. We were so stressed we couldn't take a breathe to enjoy anything.
Finished college at 34 with a degree
Bought first house at 35
Had second son at 37
- Shit went off the rails here again for me. I seem to lose my mind when I suddenly am faced with a lifetime of care of another human. I fell into a cycle of destructive behaviors culminating in my wife giving me a well deserved right hook to the jaw. It's taken years to repair this, and while we're better now than we've ever been, but holy shitballs this was a terrible/embarrassing/shaming time for me. DO NOT DO THIS.

Boy are now 10 and 3. Youngest will be 4 in April. They are JUST NOW starting to play well with each other. The 10yr old is an amazing big brother to the little guy. I can already start seeing the bonds forming that I'm certain will last a lifetime. We're missing a lot of the "He's touching me", and "He's looking at me weird" stuff you hear about from families with kids closer in age. The older one will often times take the high road and just let it go. They both have a temper, so we have to watch that a bit, but otherwise they really are great together. I'm sure that will change as the older one progresses into high school in a few years, and the youngest will be just starting elementary school.

We were honestly on the fence about the second one. Shelly was a "high risk" mother due only to her age (41 at conception and birth), although I'm not sure this was really a thing. She had gestational diabetes which was exceptionally hard on her due to a self admitted irrational fear of needles. The oldest was a breach baby and had to come via C-section, so the youngest came the same way, although slightly more planned this time. Post partum hit her (as well as my self inflicted personal bullshittery) much harder this time, so that was a challenge for both of us. The second pregnancy was ROUGH for us. Once he was here, he's been great. We had to remember how diapers work, and had to start carrying all the "stuff" around with us again, which was difficult. We were free of that burden with the 7yr old. We're almost out of the woods there again with the 3yr old, and I'm telling you I can't wait to never change a diaper again.

The biggest push for a second child, in my mind, was the social skills you learn from being forced into a friendly relationship with another human. My wife and I are both only children. We have a hard time making friends. We have an exceptionally hard time sharing. I see friends throw me keys to motorcycles and cars, or let me use equipment/tools without batting an eye. I have a REALLY hard time with that level of trust, but when I looked at the situation, they all had siblings and had learned to deal with both trusting others at that level, and dealing with whatever repercussions come from that. I have step siblings that are 10 and 12 years younger than I am. They grew up across the country (Las Vegas, I'm in Louisville), and I saw them for a total of 3, maybe 4 weeks a year. We know each other, but we aren't close at all. I have an uncle that is only 11yrs older than I am. He and I are FAR FAR closer than I am with my step-siblings. I really wanted our oldest to have that bond with someone else, and to learn those close social skills that my wife and I never got.

A few other thoughts........If you wait until you're ready, you'll never do anything. You can plan and plan and plan until you're blue in the face. The powers that be will just sit back and LAUGH at your plans. Life is what happens when you're planning. That's not to say that you shouldn't look around and take stock and make sure you're not making a tough situation tougher by adding on the pile (Go see my two do not's above for reference material), but if it's something you want, get after it. It never gets any easier......Also, all things in life require two items; Knowledge and Energy. If you are low on one, you have to put in more of the other to make it happen. Don't know how to be a parent? Throw some energy at it, and power your way through. This is true for work, home, anywhere. As you get older you have less energy, but more knowledge, use that to your advantage......especially with kids. They will drag you down if you let them when you're older. Be smart about it, and it gets WAY easier. Don't let them choose any drink, let them choose between two drinks you've already approved. No more fights over soft drinks for a toddler, and they still feel like they're in control of their destiny.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk :D :D
 
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