Stonewall from BRP on catalytic recall

[jgiovino]

No BRP certified shops are able or willing to service my 2014 Glastron GTS 207 with the BRP Rotax 250.
My catalytic, like may others, failed and I found out the hard way about the recall.
All the local BRP shops have indicated they cannot service a Glastron.
My "Dealer", where I bought the boat new, was never ABLE to service it and this has been an ongoing problem.
I have not heard back from Glastron.
BRP says:
"Installing the parts on your own may void the warranty please refer back to your operators guide warranty section and to your local dealership for more information regarding warranty limitation and liability. Also, please note that BRP does not sell directly to the public but exclusively through it's dealerships network. Further, all our dealers are not franchisees but independent businesses retailing our products. Hence we unfortunately cannot intervene to have them work on your engine."

Does anyone have any idea where to go from here?

 

[Ronnie]

I you don’t have much or any warranty left on your boat you may as well install the part yourself assuming that you can get it from your dealer.

if your dealer can’t get it and it’s the catalytic converter itself you may be sol as there seems to be a shortage of them generally, at least where cars in CA are concerned.

 

[Dean P]

You know, the new 300hp engines have no cats. If you don't mind the engine light on, you could remove it. If mine go, that's what I'll be doing.

 

[ChrisM]

Riva in South FL?

 

[jgiovino]

You know, the new 300hp engines have no cats. If you don't mind the engine light on, you could remove it. If mine go, that's what I'll be doing.

I tried to look up this motor, it looks like the exhaust configuration is different so there would be no way to bypass.
The cat housing contains an o2 sensor at near the exhaust manifold and another o2 sensor near the muffler. both mounted in the water jacketed cat housings.

 

[Dean P]

I tried to look up this motor, it looks like the exhaust configuration is different so there would be no way to bypass.
The cat housing contains an o2 sensor at near the exhaust manifold and another o2 sensor near the muffler. both mounted in the water jacketed cat housings.

You're correct; different exhaust entirely. You either put a spacer in there or clean out the guts and leave the housing.

 

[jgiovino]

This post is for all the folks that have or WILL have the same issues I am having with BRPs failure to stand behind their product.


If your O2 sensor fails due to this issue it means that water has entered your exhaust manifold and most likely backed into your heads.
This is BAD.

It has taken me several hours over several days to heat and cool and heat and free and heat and cool the stainless bolts that have corroded into the aluminum exhaust and catalytic assembly.

This is an aluminum water jacketed exhaust system with the catalysts fit internal to the housing.
Its an embarrassment.

The reason for the failure is a combination of the following:
1. All bolts not properly torqued from the factory.
2. No lock washers.
3. Water passage port standoffs are missing and should not have passed quality control.
4. Entire system depends on insufficient O-Rings that are not thick enough for the application
5. O-rings have become brittle and failed under the heat of the exhaust
6. Bolting stainless into aluminum threads under high heat and salt conditions is stupid.

BRP created this flange assembly and should have just simply through bolted in the original design like a real pipe flange.
This would have eliminated all the problems.

After cleaning the parts I plan to reassemble with lock washers, copper high temp spray gasket on all mating surfaces, and copper never seize on the threads.

 

[jgiovino]

Cleaned up best I could, assembled and installed.
All seems well; ran with no leaks, fingers crossed.

It was a royal pain getting all the salt out of the mating surfaces and grooves.
In addition to the o-ring I added a copper permatex gasket to the inner ring and in the o-ring channel.

FYI there are TWO bolts that mount the housing to the mounting bracket not one like in this video:

I was even more dissapointed to find out that sea water runs through the exhaust manifold; not just the catalytic housing.
The BRP REP I talked to on the phone assured me that the sea water only went through the stainless inter-cooler.

This is when I was deciding between the yamaha and the glastron.
He assured me that only coolant ran through the engine.

Too add insult to injury BRP told me I will void my warranty if I do the work. (the work they will not stand behind and no dealer will touch)
What a joke, I wonder if they get a laugh when they spew this B.S.
They lied to me about the cooling system and they stiffed me on there recall... nice guys.








Look how wimpy this seal is.
I wonder how much damage the salt did to the catalyst.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Cleaned up best I could, assembled and installed.
All seems well; ran with no leaks, fingers crossed.

It was a royal pain getting all the salt out of the mating surfaces and grooves.
In addition to the o-ring I added a copper permatex gasket to the inner ring and in the o-ring channel.

FYI there are TWO bolts that mount the housing to the mounting bracket not one like in this video:

I was even more dissapointed to find out that sea water runs through the exhaust manifold; not just the catalytic housing.
The BRP REP I talked to on the phone assured me that the sea water only went through the stainless inter-cooler.

This is when I was deciding between the yamaha and the glastron.
He assured me that only coolant ran through the engine.

Too add insult to injury BRP told me I will void my warranty if I do the work. (the work they will not stand behind and no dealer will touch)
What a joke, I wonder if they get a laugh when they spew this B.S.
They lied to me about the cooling system and they stiffed me on there recall... nice guys.


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Look how wimpy this seal is.
I wonder how much damage the salt did to the catalyst.View attachment 152463

Great job on getting it all cleaned up and back up and running!!!

Does the catalyst just pull out like a cartridge ? You could remove the cartridge until brp decides to replace the cartridge.

It looks relatively clear.. only a couple of passages looked plugged.

 

[jgiovino]

Does the catalyst just pull out like a cartridge ? You could remove the cartridge until brp decides to replace the cartridge.

Yes, it just comes right out.
I was hesitant to remove assuming that the tune depends on the added back-pressure and I have no means to remap the chip.
BRP is doing nothing for me, they even closed my service ticket without any resolution.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Yes, it just comes right out.
I was hesitant to remove assuming that the tune depends on the added back-pressure and I have no means to remap the chip.
BRP is doing nothing for me, they even closed my service ticket without any resolution.

I’m not so sure the tune depends on back pressure, those catalysts offer up very little back pressure unless they are clogged. The good thing is if you want to run without it because you suspect a clog or excessive back pressure it comes right out..

Again, nice work getting all that cleaned up and are back on the water!!

 

[ChrisM]

Indeed antifreeze is the only thing running through and cooling the engine lust like a car, IE: (closed loop cooling). whereas the salt or fresh water you're boating on is used to cool the exhaust system including the catalyst.

 

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[rocky5]

Yes, it just comes right out.
I was hesitant to remove assuming that the tune depends on the added back-pressure and I have no means to remap the chip.
BRP is doing nothing for me, they even closed my service ticket without any resolution.

Did you end up removing inserts and closing it up? If so, any issues? BRP ran me around on the phone, but no help at all. Thanks!