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AR/SX 192 Ribbon Delete

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Hello gentlemen,

Yesterday I decided to tackle removing the ribbon from the intake manifold on my AR192. The sources I have read and research say it should increase overall performance, and at ZERO dollars I figured it was worth a shot. I did my best to take pictures along the way, so that if anyone else wanted to tackle it they would have a starting point. If you study closely you may notice that I did things a little out of order, but I wanted to remove the bare minimum of parts to make it quicker, easier, and hopefully less intimidating for others. This ultimately resulted in it taking me much longer to do, but hopefully you guys get the idea and can do your mod quickly! Here it is!

Step one was getting into the engine hatch and assessing the situation. First I removed the intake tube that joins the intercooler to the throttle body. Two band clamps with flat head screws. Loosen those up and you should be able to slip the hose out. The ribbon ultimately rests right inside this circle.

Next, I tackled removing the throttle body. Oddly they were 13mm. Four of them secure the throttle body to the manifold. The front two were easy, the back two you may work for a bit. Once I had all four out, I realized that the throttle body would not clear the motor so I could remove it.

I wrestled it a bit and decided I would have to loosen the intake manifold bolts to make it clear. This meant unplugging all four coils, and removing the manifold bolts. There are ten total. Four on top and visible, four more just below, and two come from the bottom up. I circled them here:

and here:


Youll notice in that pic ^^ that the manifold is now disconnected. As soon as I loosened the last manifold bolt the throttle body was able to clear and fall down. I pushed it off to the side. The next task was to remove the four allen head bolts holding the ribbon flange in. At this point, some of you may have luck removing them and leaving the manifold in place. I opted to flip the manifold over and remove them from the top. This also made "digging" the ribbon and rubber out easier. I did have to remove the throttle actuator and white hose from the firewall so the manifold would clear and rotate down without unhooking the fuel injectors or any of the hoses. This sensor had to come off:

Once it came off, I could pull the manifold away slightly from the engine, and rotate it down and around. It takes some wrestling, but you should be able to flip it up like this, exposing the allen head bolts and the ribbon.

I used a flat head screw driver to dig it out. I failed to snap a pic of it, but can do so later if anyone needs. Make sure you remove the rubber part too! Mine came out in one piece with the ribbon. Voila! I will have the boat in on Wednesday and will report back with performance observations!


Total time for me was about an hour and a half. I could do another one in thirty minutes. Let me know if you have any questions!
 
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Yes, I believe yamaha labels it as a flame arrestor. Alot of the sho waverunner guys remove them and claim they make an extra pound of boost and enjoy gains all around. Riva and a few other companies make a couple that smooths the void left behind after removing it, but most didn't notice a difference in performance between just removing it. I'll try to upload a quick picture of the ribbon
 

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I think all of the HO and SHO motors have this. If you are chasing performance this is mod #1.
 

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Nice write up! Will be doing this during the winter months. Keep me busy.
 

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I know this thread ended some time ago. However, I just bought a 2016 SX 192. Will the dealer remove the ribbon or is this something you have to do yourself (read - not mechanically inclined)? Does removing the ribbon void the warranty?

Thanks!
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I would be shocked if a dealership would remove it. You might be able to find an independent shop if you don't want to tackle it yourself. I'm not sure if it would void the warranty.
 

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Interesting question about a dealership removing the ribbon. I would think not a chance in hell.
As far as your warranty, pretty much ANY engine modification will risk voiding it.

Ribbon removal is the number one performance modification for Yamaha 1.8l engines. To the best of my knowledge, if performed correctly it is not associated with any adverse effects and/or reliability issues. USCG mandates flame arrestors in boats (such as the aforementioned ribbon), something that plays a questionable role in fuel injected (not carburated) ignition systems, but can be simply resolved in your boat by changing the air filter to a "flame arrestor" type.

That said, prior to ribbon delete I would probably want to run the boat for a while to see how it does and if there any issues for a dealer involvement. I would also want to know a couple of things such as:
Does the boat reach the hard rev limit with the ribbon in place (electronic cut-off at about 7700RPM)? If it does, the ribbon delete will not give you any extra speed on the top end, although you would still get a mid range boost.
Does the engine experience heat soak (a well known issue with Yamaha SHO engines)? If yes, you may benefit from upgrading the intercooler (such as the SVHO type), with or without ribbon delete.
Hope this helps. Cheers, and congrats on your great new boat!

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DBamaC & swatski, Thanks for the quick reply and information. Mostly what I figured but wanted to get another opinion. Right now I am hitting about 7000RPM at full throttle. I am in FL and running in salt water on the bays around Tampa. Water is rarely flat. However, the best I have been able to get is 30MPH (per SPEEDO) (with small chop) at 7000RMP (some gear and two people on board). Just seems like I should be able to go faster. I don't believe the engine is experiencing heat soak. I have not had a problem with it restarting after sitting. But I only have about 15 hours on the boat - bought it brand new.

Thanks again!
 

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DBamaC & swatski, Thanks for the quick reply and information. Mostly what I figured but wanted to get another opinion. Right now I am hitting about 7000RPM at full throttle. I am in FL and running in salt water on the bays around Tampa. Water is rarely flat. However, the best I have been able to get is 30MPH (per SPEEDO) (with small chop) at 7000RMP (some gear and two people on board). Just seems like I should be able to go faster. I don't believe the engine is experiencing heat soak. I have not had a problem with it restarting after sitting. But I only have about 15 hours on the boat - bought it brand new.

Thanks again!
I would think talking to a dealer would be warranted at this point. You are WAY off with your top speed, this can not be right. I don't think I would worry about ribbon delete or heat soak.
 

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Thanks. I thought it was kind of crazy that I couldn't go faster than 30. Calling the dealer now...
 

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I wonder if you have an issue with your throttle lever adjustment? That would be easy to you to check and possible rule out.
 

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Thanks, I will check that out.
 

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How many hours on the 2016 boat? This is not confirmed, and I think someone on here told me I was flat out wrong before, but I swear there are electronic limits to the RPM's until certain hour points are met. My 192 wouldn't reach more than 7200RPM before last year and I think around 75 hours. Now I get 7500. But I could also reach 40-42mph without a prob with 2 adults on a smooth lake before 75hrs. So maybe you do have some other issue going on.

Regardless, I would like to know if anyone has done this ribbon removal and what they experienced. More low end power, torque, high top speed? How about fuel mileage better/worse/same?
 

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Im not sure on an hour base rev limiter. I never noticed anything like that with mine. Motors in general seem to "free" up after 10 hours or so, and perform better. I have seen better acceleration, and what seems like quicker revving from my motor since the ribbon delete. Fuel mileage is probably the same, that would be a tough one to gauge without identical conditions to compare. It does noticeably run better after removing the ribbon though. Same top speed.
 

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I know you guys love to remove that ribbon.... we had a 192 that the air cooler internally failed last year and the only thing that saved the engine from eating all the pieces was that ribbon.... I don't now that I would remove it on SHO after seeing that. I know it's highly unlikely for the air cooler to let go but this one did. Had the customer removed that ribbon he would have purchased himself a new motor and not had warranty cover the cooler and throttle body. Just something to think about...
 

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I know you guys love to remove that ribbon.... we had a 192 that the air cooler internally failed last year and the only thing that saved the engine from eating all the pieces was that ribbon.... I don't now that I would remove it on SHO after seeing that. I know it's highly unlikely for the air cooler to let go but this one did. Had the customer removed that ribbon he would have purchased himself a new motor and not had warranty cover the cooler and throttle body. Just something to think about...
Another disaster that has been reported involved the rubber flange that goes around the ribbon and needs to be removed. Makes a huge mess when left behind - as it gets sucked in.

Not sure what else can get sucked into a 1.8l N/A, assuming a filter is on.
 
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I'm currently in the process of removing my ribbon. Manifold is a bear to get enough room to flip it over without disconnecting the fuel line. If you could do this in 30 minutes you're my hero lol. The naturally aspirated guys have it SOOO much easier than us supercharged guys.
 

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Holy F#@* this manifold is the death of me!! I have no idea how you had enough slack in the wiring harness to flip your manifold over. I have remove the throttle actuator, dropped the white scupper hose, sensor and a few other bits to try and give the manifold enough room to flip over but no matter what I do there is not enough slack or room. GRRR!

How big of a deal is it to remove the high pressure fuel line?
 

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