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Compartment Drain Plugs?

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All of you guys are missing the point! You have kept me occupied today while I wait on the DirecTV guy! Getting their Genie or whatever they call it! My SAT receiver is messing up and they offered a free upgrade! Thanks for your perspectives today gents!
 

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BUMP!!!:devilhorns:
 

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OK, after reading all of the comments and the debating on this topic and a couple side topics. I have decided that I am going to continue to do with the plugs what I have been doing all along (just not telling what that is...lol). :D


My Question though, is why doesn't Yamaha install the bilge pump in the actual bilge? It seems to me that that would be the most logical place for it. If you leave the drain plug out, have a blow out, or breach the hull. Isn't that the first area that is going to fill up with water? This has confused me for awhile now.o_O:confused:
 

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My Question though, is why doesn't Yamaha install the bilge pump in the actual bilge? It seems to me that that would be the most logical place for it. If you leave the drain plug out, have a blow out, or breach the hull. Isn't that the first area that is going to fill up with water? This has confused me for awhile now
I wondered this too, but I think it was @txav8r or @Bruce that tested this and on the model tested, only about a gallon or 2 of water collected in the area behind the pump before it reached the pump and activated it.
 

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This will show my ignorance but I had no idea about all these drain plugs.:eek: Well, I knew I had drains but none of mine came with the plugs installed. Never even gave them a second thought...until now! I never pull the plug on the back of the boat even when I not using the boat while on the lift. It would be a pain the backside to try and do this every time I wanted to use the boat or put it away. I just figured everything drains where it's supposed to and never worried about it. Once in awhile the bilge will kick in but have never seen too much water ever come out. I will most definitely check this out when I get back to the lake. Thanks for all the insight.
 

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I wondered this too, but I think it was @txav8r or @Bruce that tested this and on the model tested, only about a gallon or 2 of water collected in the area behind the pump before it reached the pump and activated it.
I installed my intake fitting on the bottom of the boat last weekend for ballast, and after letting the sealant set up, I threw some water back there to test the seal. I was shocked at the small amount of water that it took to begin to back up into the secondary bilge under the motors. I think your right Julian, probably only a few gallons (at least with the bow elevated as high as the jack would allow).
 

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Yeah, it isn't much water at all to reach the bilge pump. It is in the "lowest accessible" place they can put it so you can get to the bilge screen to clean it out periodically, which should be on all of our routine maintenance checks.
 

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I have said this in other threads, but when you have the water box out of the bilge area under the clean out tray, you can see the actual floor of the bottom hull and the liner of the engine compartment floor, it literally isn't an inch higher. The dead rise and the distance forward only leaves a gallon or so for water to collect before the bilge pump gets it. They never put the bilge pump in the actual lowest point because trash will clog it, so it always sets off to a side or forward a tad to allow any debris in the bilge to work past it, kind of like a fuel pump not being in the very bottom, so that it doesn't pick up any water or trash too.
 

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So, are all these drain holes the same size?? I will most likely need to purchase some plugs since I haven't seen any in my boat.
 

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The plugs in my LS are all the same.I can't speak to the newer boats , I'm not in the cool club!!! LOL
 

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I still can't believe nobody actually did the bathtub test that was mentioned in the thread, I was so looking forward to a video of a couple guys sinking one in various states of plugged and unplugged.
 

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The drain holes are the standard size, you should be able to get them from anywhere,

If it only takes a gallon or two for the bilge pump to collect it how come I can pull my transom plug at the end of the day and sometimes get at least 5 gallons of water out of it and the bilge isn't pumping it? (the bilge does work and does pump occasionally while on the water)
 

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It is only a few gallons Scott, but what it holds level vs what it holds on the trailer at the ramp are very different. When you are on the water, you can collect more water in a level state than you can when running, but then again, when running, centrifugal force holds the water in the very back of the boat against the transom wall in the bilge. It is still just a few gallons even if it is 4 or 5...it would fit in a bucket. I guess the important factor for those that see the bilge pump location as misplaced, is what is the volume of water that is left behind that could be pumped? If you found a location in the aft lower bilge that you could mount a pump, what is the additional volume you could get if your pump were relocated? My guess is a gallon or two max.
 

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Now that you all have me thinking about these darn drains, how many are there?? I think these are the ones that I know of...Anchor compartment, bow cooler, ski locker, two in the engine compartment(I think)...am I missing any??
 

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There are 3 in the engine compartment on your boat @Jim Robeson. There isn't one in the anchor locker, but there is a drain, just no plug. The bow cooler is the same, drain, no plug. The forward plug in the engine compartment, that is on the wall is the drain for the fuel tank compartment. If water was present, you would open that and then the one next to it, and it would drain into the bilge and flow under the engine compartment floor to the transom drain plug. The center compartment between the forward and rear motor mount supports has its own drain and plug. The rear section has none, as it has the bilge pump and a half moon hole that opens it directly to the aft area under the clean out tray.
 

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Many guys had plugged the anchor locker because when a crowd is riding in the bow at slow speeds, the locker can fill with water. The cooler is one that guys use a cork in also from the inside at times, to keep it cool longer.
 

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Thanks @txav8r !! I will definitely look for these the next time I'm in my boat.
 

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I agree with your scupper comment, except if there is standing water in the boat. If there is standing water, the ski locker will fill (doubtful about the extent of the fuel cavity since there is a rubber seal under your floor). If your ski locker port is open, water will drain into the bilge, bypassing the scupper. In that scenario, instead of having the both bilge and scupper draining your boat of water, you are forcing more water to the bilge pump.
If your ski locker plug is open or closed all the water that gets into the ski locker is bypassing the scupper. In every scenario that water gets into the ski locker, you'll need the bilge pump to get it out.. (or some other bailing method)

END OF RESPONSE

A few notes to the owners of 2015-2016 AR240/242 boats.

Previously I always had my boat on the trailer from day to day and not exposed to rain, but the first time I left it in the water (uncovered) the ski locker was 1/2 full of water overnight. This was just prior to heading to Bimini - and it rained really hard that night. Water getting into these boats does not escape if that ski locker plug is left in. What's worse is that all the rain that enters the boat pools up front and heads into the ski locker. It will fill the ski locker by overflowing the front edge of the hatch. I had to remove that plug and once on plane the water could reach the bilge pump and get pumped out. If I hadn't noticed and left all that extra weight in the ski locker the trip to Bimini could have ended in a swamping. So ALWAYS in or ALWAYS out just doesn't really work. Depending on your model, you may have to adapt to nonsense like this.

While we were at Bimini it rained a few times pretty hard, even after that hard rain the ski locker would be 99.5% empty but you could see water sloshing just under the plug hole, and sometimes wet just into the locker. That would all be dry at the end of the day's use if we were on plane for a while. These boats sit nose down and the water collects in the front and can't be bilge pumped out when sitting. My two girls and I stood on the back of the swim deck each morning and that was enough to get most of the water to flow aft to be pumped out. But by seeing that there wouldn't be any standing water in the ski locker with the plug out - it tells us that it mostly is eventually reaching the bilge pump and not weighting the nose down past a certain point.

Tell me that yamaha with all their engineers planned for this to occur ? Nope, the boat should sit at least slightly nose up and all the water coming in should go around the ski locker and fuel tank compartments in their channels and end up at the scupper but it doesn't work that way in reality. So in reality - I leave out the ski locker plug at all times, but I know that if there were a hull breach, I WOULD and SHOULD plug that hull and use that ski locker for additional buoyancy. Those of you whom don't own this model might think yamaha engineers are smarter than that and my boat must be heavily loaded in the nose.. but that's not the case.

In an atypical scenario such as the Bimini crossing where this is a big deal... - If a wave washed in over the nose, most of that water will head toward the scupper (especially if you keep a nose up attitude), but some of it will seep through the ski locker hatch and either be trapped in the ski locker making your boat more and more nose heavy, or will go through the drain plug and get bilge pumped out. (depending on if you've got it plugged or not)

If you leave your boat in the water exposed to rain water will collect in the ski locker.

Anyhow, there are too many scenarios to count, so I've boiled my practice to this for anyone interested:

When out of the water, all the plugs are out so any water can eventually run down hill to bilge drain. (I'll admit on rivers and lakes there's never any water in the fuel compartment or on the plug forward of the engines so I don't normally touch those). lets face it - it's not going to sink out of the water so pretty much anything you do is fine.

When in the water,

1. ski locker plug is out for normal use so normal water taken on board that isn't scuppered can get pumped out
2. fuel compartment plug in so it can remain an air chamber (I've never had water come out of that compartment, so I think it's fine to keep it sealed )
3. bilge drain forward of engine is out so if water were to get into that little cavity it will drain down to the bilge pump. That plug appears to be useless anyways.

A friend of mine has a 2007 ar210 and his bilge pump appears to be mounted on the inner hull in the engine compartment, and out of reach of any bilge water - on my boat there is a hole cut in the inner hull, and the bilge pump in the engine compartment sits on the actual bilge. I believe that these design differences if not taken into account add up to some pointless arguments in this thread. I've owned many boats before but the bilge arrangment on this boat has baffled me - I hope that what I've learned may help some folks.. Keep an eye on the ski locker, it's a design flaw that allows it to fill with water.

Stay safe everyone.
 
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If your ski locker plug is open or closed all the water that gets into the ski locker is bypassing the scupper. In every scenario that water gets into the ski locker, you'll need the bilge pump to get it out.. (or some other bailing method)

END OF RESPONSE

A few notes to the owners of 2015-2016 AR240/242 boats.

Previously I always had my boat on the trailer from day to day and not exposed to rain, but the first time I left it in the water (uncovered) the ski locker was 1/2 full of water overnight. This was just prior to heading to Bimini - and it rained really hard that night. Water getting into these boats does not escape if that ski locker plug is left in. What's worse is that all the rain that enters the boat pools up front and heads into the ski locker. It will fill the ski locker by overflowing the front edge of the hatch. I had to remove that plug and once on plane the water could reach the bilge pump and get pumped out. If I hadn't noticed and left all that extra weight in the ski locker the trip to Bimini could have ended in a swamping. So ALWAYS in or ALWAYS out just doesn't really work. Depending on your model, you may have to adapt to nonsense like this.

While we were at Bimini it rained a few times pretty hard, even after that hard rain the ski locker would be 99.5% empty but you could see water sloshing just under the plug hole, and sometimes wet just into the locker. That would all be dry at the end of the day's use if we were on plane for a while. These boats sit nose down and the water collects in the front and can't be bilge pumped out when sitting. My two girls and I stood on the back of the swim deck each morning and that was enough to get most of the water to flow aft to be pumped out. But by seeing that there wouldn't be any standing water in the ski locker with the plug out - it tells us that it mostly is eventually reaching the bilge pump and not weighting the nose down past a certain point.

Tell me that yamaha with all their engineers planned for this to occur ? Nope, the boat should sit at least slightly nose up and all the water coming in should go around the ski locker and fuel tank compartments in their channels and end up at the scupper but it doesn't work that way in reality. So in reality - I leave out the ski locker plug at all times, but I know that if there were a hull breach, I WOULD and SHOULD plug that hull and use that ski locker for additional buoyancy. Those of you whom don't own this model might think yamaha engineers are smarter than that and my boat must be heavily loaded in the nose.. but that's not the case.

In an atypical scenario such as the Bimini crossing where this is a big deal... - If a wave washed in over the nose, most of that water will head toward the scupper (especially if you keep a nose up attitude), but some of it will seep through the ski locker hatch and either be trapped in the ski locker making your boat more and more nose heavy, or will go through the drain plug and get bilge pumped out. (depending on if you've got it plugged or not)

If you leave your boat in the water exposed to rain water will collect in the ski locker.

Anyhow, there are too many scenarios to count, so I've boiled my practice to this for anyone interested:

When out of the water, all the plugs are out so any water can eventually run down hill to bilge drain. (I'll admit on rivers and lakes there's never any water in the fuel compartment or on the plug forward of the engines so I don't normally touch those). lets face it - it's not going to sink out of the water so pretty much anything you do is fine.

When in the water,

1. ski locker plug is out for normal use so normal water taken on board that isn't scuppered can get pumped out
2. fuel compartment plug in so it can remain an air chamber (I've never had water come out of that compartment, so I think it's fine to keep it sealed )
3. bilge drain forward of engine is out so if water were to get into that little cavity it will drain down to the bilge pump. That plug appears to be useless anyways.

A friend of mine has a 2007 ar210 and his bilge pump appears to be mounted on the inner hull in the engine compartment, and out of reach of any bilge water - on my boat there is a hole cut in the inner hull, and the bilge pump in the engine compartment sits on the actual bilge. I believe that these design differences if not taken into account add up to some pointless arguments in this thread. I've owned many boats before but the bilge arrangment on this boat has baffled me - I hope that what I've learned may help some folks.. Keep an eye on the ski locker, it's a design flaw that allows it to fill with water.

Stay safe everyone.
Thank you for this explanation! I was fixing my anchor locker today in my new 212x and noticed these compartment plugs and some water at the ski locker, I found another one in the middle of the two engines at the front, b
 

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