Reliability of new voting machines questioned-Associated Press

[Julian]

I 100% agree that some shady things have occurred in this election and also 100% believe it all needs to be investigated. Re-count every state as far as I am concerned not just the ones that strangely flipped red to blue or blue to red. All legal votes should count and illegal ones should be tossed.

No states that I am aware of "strangely" flipped at all. This was all predicted up front for months. Everyone has known for a long time that more Dems were going to vote by mail, and did vote by mail. So their votes were known to be coming in late in the tallys (by days). There wasn't a news service that was saying anything other than this before last Tuesday.

 

[mike220022]

Predicted by the media means nothing...In 2016 Hillary Clinton was predicted to win by a landslide, do you remember what happened to that? Yes states strangely flipped this election.

 

[mike220022]

No states that I am aware of "strangely" flipped at all. This was all predicted up front for months. Everyone has known for a long time that more Dems were going to vote by mail, and did vote by mail. So their votes were know to come in late in the tallys (by days). There wasn't a news service that was saying anything other than this before last Tuesday.

Your ballot should not be late no matter how you vote. There is 4 years between elections, they dont sneak the date up on you. The mail in ballot garbage didnt just get approved the week of election. People have had plenty of time to fill out a ballot and put it in the mail and have it arrive on time. Common sense is very uncommon now and I understand that but imagine being on a football team and the team travels by plane to their next game and you decide youre going to hitch hike. The game starts on time and ends on time yet you show up after its over, grab a football and run across the goal line and expect your "score" to change the outcome of the game. Should that change the outcome of the entire match because you couldnt plan ahead and leave in time to be sure you were where you needed to be at the time you needed to be there? I know the election and a football game are two different things and I am in no way trying to undermine the importance of the election just trying to make a clear point to those who cant understand that you have to plan ahead for things like this. And yes, there were ballots delivered after midnight in several states.....PA being one of them

 

[Enduro900]

No states that I am aware of "strangely" flipped at all. This was all predicted up front for months. Everyone has known for a long time that more Dems were going to vote by mail, and did vote by mail. So their votes were know to come in late in the tallys (by days). There wasn't a news service that was saying anything other than this before last Tuesday.

Respectfully the topic is voting with touchscreen machines and software that did involve flipping thousands of votes in one county...and my thoughts are it warrants more thorough investigation wherever else the systems were used (audits not recounts)....

You can start a mail-in ballot thread but please try and keep it non-political

 

[Beachbummer]

I hope my comment on Venezuela was understood to NOT be anywhere near a close comparison, but instead an example where Fraud had indeed occurred and was proven, as a topic of conversation, and perhaps showing the standard of proof I would expect for someone accusing the system of Fraud.

Venezuelan elections are an awesome example because they ended up being highly auditable towards the end, but the government hid the proof, and did what it wanted.

We have the opposite here in the US. A trusted system where most steps are very visible, just that the system in Texas (for example) requires trust of technology because I do not get to see a printed ballot that can be checked again later with my naked eye. Again since none of the candidates have complained, I don't see it as a problem, but it would be nice if there was something we could count after the fact that did not rely on magic. (or complex technology, which might as well be magic )

Elections are decided by authorities, but they take a LONG time to give results. Media provides forecast of expectations based on results from authorities. They are opinions, but they are usually right. The election has been called, and I see it VERY HARD based on the evidence presented (lack thereof) for the forecast results to change.

 

[swatski]

It’s you that just invaded my space.....so you can pack-up your own bullshit and find another thread.....

ok karen

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[Enduro900]

ok karen

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Hsha yeah, I’m the Karen.....Ok Cliff Clavin.....

Reading your posts over the months, I hope you know “mister know-it-all” is tattooed across your forehead.......

It is certainly amazing the fear coming out of some of you guys by even bringing up this subject......calm down I doubt a discussion on here is going to lead to another outcome......But wow......”nothing to see here move on” speaks loudly through you......maybe someday you can admit you know nothing absolute on this subject......but i doubt it cliff.......

 

[Julian]

Stop the name calling - it is beneath both of you.

 

[BigN8]

Google "Hammer and Scorecard"

This is an interesting video. At the approx. 2:30 mark is really where the point is made, but the whole video is worth watching. Clear evidence of vote flipping caught on CNN.

 

[Dumbassbass]

Getting kind of windy

 

[mike220022]

Scary how things have played out. I vote and will continue to vote from now on but it just makes you think youre wasting your time. The party with the biggest donors and the tech world behind them can easily manipulate the outcome like this. I am saying that in general not pointing to a certain political side so I dont flag the "moderators" even though they can give their side leaning input with no issue

 

[Beachbummer]

Again, This is what the media is reporting, not official tallies certified by states. A reporter might have copied something down wrong for all we know. It will take much more proof than this to convince a judge that votes are not assigned correctly from the certified state tally. ( am I admit, I lean right, but not populist right, more "small but efficient and good at what it does government that spends less than it makes" right)

 

[Ronnie]

It’s you that just invaded my space.....so you can pack-up your own bullshit and find another thread.....

I took your (or was it @swatski ‘s) advice one step further and started to “Ignore” you. I suggest that you follow your own advice, that is pack up your bullshit and find another forum.

 

[mike220022]

I took your advice one step further and blocked you. I suggest that you follow your own advice, that is pack up your bullshit and find another forum.

Your first post in this thread is that?? Nobody ever mentioned you so why didnt you just continue ignoring the thread instead of coming in acting like a victim? If that too hurts your feelings block me too. People getting triggered here pretty quickly. You blocked the OP but I bet you come back to the thread to see if your "tough guy" post gets you some likes.

 

[BigN8]

No, this is not a reporting by the media. The shot in the middle that is Gold is a live shot from the voting center.

 

[IvanRZB]

I don't get why anyone is surprised that mail-in ballots favored Democratic candidates. This effect was predicted a while ago, in no small part because **Trump told his followers to vote in person instead of mailing them in**

 

[Ronnie]

Your first post in this thread is that?? Nobody ever mentioned you so why didnt you just continue ignoring the thread instead of coming in acting like a victim? If that too hurts your feelings block me too. People getting triggered here pretty quickly

I am confirming that the post you referenced is my first to this thread.

I don’t need to be mentioned to post a reply.

I am not acting like a victim.

My feelings are not hurt.

i just started ignoring you as well (I would block you but that is not what the option/button is labeled).

 

[Beachbummer]

No, this is not a reporting by the media. The shot in the middle that is Gold is a live shot from the voting center.

You mean the updated results on the screen where the republican candidate has less votes than he had since the prior update? (so he "lost" votes in the update?) I know that happens when a county is suspect on their quick math and they take it out while they figure out what the heck happened. Happened in Michigan to Biden I'm sure, while they figured out why the quick counts were wrong in Antrim. One of many plausible explanations for a change of this type.

Again, a suspicious artifact out of context, but when fully examined it is very likely to amount to nothing. Not saying it's nothing, but I am saying calling this "proof" of any fraud is an even bigger leap.

If you start with the premise.."These elections in the past have used the SAME methods and nobody before has found concerning Fraud...and we are seeing these odd things...let's review them to make sure the numbers are right" You may get more play time. If you start with "These are some thieving MFs who want to steal the votes" Those not drinking the kool-aid point out that's too big a leap and you have not proof (yet?) to make those statements. Find your evidence and it enables you to make those claims. But until then, all you have is suspicion, and not something that is very convincing, so for the non-believers your message seems alarmist and does not resonate.

There are even fewer safeguards in Texas and we don't see Biden nitpicking any discrepancies there. I'm sure they will also investigate if they see anything suspicious, but there is not prior scream of fraud before the convincing proof is published. That's the right order, investigate first and accuse second.

 

[Enduro900]

You mean the updated results on the screen where the republican candidate has less votes than he had since the prior update? (so he "lost" votes in the update?) I know that happens when a county is suspect on their quick math and they take it out while they figure out what the heck happened. Happened in Michigan to Biden I'm sure, while they figured out why the quick counts were wrong in Antrim. One of many plausible explanations for a change of this type.

Again, a suspicious artifact out of context, but when fully examined it is very likely to amount to nothing. Not saying it's nothing, but I am saying calling this "proof" of any fraud is an even bigger leap.

If you start with the premise.."These elections in the past have used the SAME methods and nobody before has found concerning Fraud...and we are seeing these odd things...let's review them to make sure the numbers are right" You may get more play time. If you start with "These are some thieving MFs who want to steal the votes" Those not drinking the kool-aid point out that's too big a leap and you have not proof (yet?) to make those statements. Find your evidence and it enables you to make those claims. But until then, all you have is suspicion, and not something that is very convincing, so for the non-believers your message seems alarmist and does not resonate.

There are even fewer safeguards in Texas and we don't see Biden nitpicking any discrepancies there. I'm sure they will also investigate if they see anything suspicious, but there is not prior scream of fraud before the convincing proof is published. That's the right order, investigate first and accuse second.

I am not sure why you do not understand this, but this is NEW technology that has not been used before except in a few states, Did you even bother to read the AP article I provided???

The article also stated this technology was never meant to run a whole voter precinct, it was meant as a tool for disabled voters.

I never said anything about mail-in voting.

I have not said anything about any party or any party candidate.

I don’t disagree mail-in voting would would favor one party over another.

I have not attacked anyone on this thread, i have though responded in kind.....

This thread is about touch-screen electronic machines flipping thousands of votes, CONFIRMED now in two elections, not being reported by many in the media, even being defended or bushed off by some of you on here.......

The real concern is some of you seem to follow the incorrect assumption that “millions of fraud” has to occur to affect an election.

We’ve now had TWO elections in a row that determined a winner.....with only thousands of votes in a few states determining the outcome.....yet some of you won’t even think about that. Instead you want to attack me for bringing it up........

And no, i have not broken any forum rules, i will not be bullied to leave, and if people are offended because i shared a topic that effects us all then just stay off the topic......

 

[swatski]

Stop the name calling - it is beneath both of you.

No sir, it is not beneath me. @Enduro900 is a punk.

To start a thread like this, pretending it's not political in nature, precisely at the time when everyone with a brain is pretty fucking triggered, not to mention this site is meant for recreation not to get further pissed off, is akin to taking a dump in someone's front yard - if you ask me.


But hey, it's your front yard. I';m just about done here.

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