Yamaha 2024 line up …

[Sturmie]

Our dealer has a new 2023 252SE for $87k that we're considering upgrading to. Is it worth the extra $6-7k to get the 2024 model? Other than the 1.8 vs 1.9 engines, I don't really see any other reasons to not go with the 2023.

 

[HangOutdoors]

Our dealer has a new 2023 252SE for $87k that we're considering upgrading to. Is it worth the extra $6-7k to get the 2024 model? Other than the 1.8 vs 1.9 engines, I don't really see any other reasons to not go with the 2023.

Right now it is kind of an unkown if the new engines are worth it or not.

 

[stpatty]

Anybody have any pics of the cool interior? Wondered what changes were made, if any, thanks.

 

[Sturmie]

Anybody have any pics of the cool interior? Wondered what changes were made, if any, thanks.

This was posted in another thread and I believe it's the "cool" one.

 

[adrianp89]

Our dealer has a new 2023 252SE for $87k that we're considering upgrading to. Is it worth the extra $6-7k to get the 2024 model? Other than the 1.8 vs 1.9 engines, I don't really see any other reasons to not go with the 2023.

Save the money and go with the 2023.

 

[Ronnie]

Is this the first year of the 1.9L engine in a boat or Waverunner? If so, I wouldn’t be on the early adopters list. Yamaha used to put the new tech in their Waverunners first and boats a year or so later. Even so, the first 1.8L motors in boats had their quirks, like leaking oil coolers.

 

[yam240sx]

green hulk is saying they have ditched the lead rod and main bearings , while keeping the same crank , rods .. anyone have an idea of what material could have replaced the lead bearings ... i mean lead is pretty proven bearing material in the 1.8s , never hear of them blowing bearings !

 

[2kwik4u]

Definition of price gouging - an act or instance of charging customers too high a price for goods or services, especially when demand is high and supplies are limited:

GM has cut production on the Silverado to create an artificial shortage on order to sell the trucks at higher profits, this is price gouging. Dealers adding mark up is price gouging.

The market for pickups doesn't just include the Silverado. There are other players in the market, so it's just supply and demand. Gouging involves a limited market, not just a limited model. You can go buy a new pickup for under MSRP with 0% financing TODAY......if you're willing to drive a Titan instead of a Silverado. GM isn't gouging. Profiteering, maybe, but definitely not gouging.

 

[2kwik4u]

Hate the horizontal mount oil filter.

You can get one of these.....Remote Oil Filter Adapter and then one of these.....Remote Oil Filter Mount with some AN lines and put the filter wherever you like

I only hate mine once a year, and a baby diaper under it cures MOST of that hate.

 

[2kwik4u]

The 255 FSH H was really, really, really impressive! I have a ton of experience with joystick boats and this one works the best out of all I’ve handled. What’s unique is that there’s no clunking or shifting like you get in an I/o or outboard, it just feels so smooth. It was upper accurate and has been calibrated/setup perfectly so the joystick inputs are spot on. It’s not cheap but it is worth it!

This is super encouraging. When you look at dual jet drives in the Coast Guard vessels and see that they are 100% joystick controlled, and the absurd maneuverability that generates, I'm super excited to see that tech come to the consumer segment. Not because I think I'll ever afford one, but it's just cool stuff!

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

Our dealer has a new 2023 252SE for $87k that we're considering upgrading to. Is it worth the extra $6-7k to get the 2024 model? Other than the 1.8 vs 1.9 engines, I don't really see any other reasons to not go with the 2023.

@HangOutdoors makes a good point that the new engines are a bit of an unknown at this point. Having said that I believe I just read that the new 1.9 with it’s claimed 20 Horsepower 11.11% increase gave a 19’ boat a 6 mph increase in top speed. Having said that, I’ll ask the basic question, you‘ll be happy with the 23’s top speed and won’t be looking to get more ummmph out of those engines?

I saw that @Ronnie mentioned a teething problem with the 1.8L engines with their oil coolers leaking, I don’t know how much those oil coolers leaked, but, from what I can garner from the press release, there were some minor changes to the block to facilitate easier access to the engine anode and thermostat but no mention of a new oil cooler. Again, based on what I can see, this is an upgraded engine and not really a new engine like the 1.8L was when it was introduced.

As reported by @Ziess21 and his test drives of two of the 2024’s, the one with the 1.9L engine, are also are coming with four bladed impellers, the reported fuel burn / rpm / speed with six adult men on board the 222 was a notable improvement and quieter operation could bode well for efficiency / less cavitation / as well.

I looked @Julian price / feature spreadsheet and it only shows an increase of $1800 over the 23‘ 252SE MSRP so your dealer must be discounting the price to get it off the lot (speaks to inventory & pricing but that’s another thread) which I had thought Yamaha frowned on.

Over the years I’ve had no issue with buying first year / first generation engines / first generation transmission / first generation suspension in trucks and dirt bikes. Since it’s early days I’d have a close look at the differences between the two model years to make sure you’d be happy with last years model. If it was me I’d be leaning heavily towards the 24 model and it’s improvements.

 

[Chrisbert]

Glad to see they got rid of the white seat inserts.

 

[Michal]

For the parties that attended the event. Can we expect videos and pictures? Or is that something that was not allowed. Would love to see how the event unfolded.

 

[HangOutdoors]

the reported fuel burn / rpm / speed with six adult men on board the 222 was a notable improvemen

I saw the numbers he reported. I compared them to previous results on the 1.8 and I noticed that it wasn't an improvement but actually the same or possibly slightly worse. Perhaps I am looking at the wrong data.

 

[HangOutdoors]

1.8L BoatTest.com. Zeiss reported at 5k RPM burn was 11.5-12gph. Am I missing something, it appears worse on the 1.9L based on RPM's. Now based on MPH, if accurate, and taking that into account is far better. Maybe that is correct comparison. Also, I am wondering about the 30 mph at 5k which was reported on the test boat. I find it somewhat implausible that the MPH would be almost triple to that of the 1.8L with the same size pump and a 4 blade impeller vs. a 3 blade impeller. I do not see anyway that could be possible.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

I saw the numbers he reported. I compared them to previous results on the 1.8 and I noticed that it wasn't an improvement but actually the same or possibly slightly worse. Perhaps I am looking at the wrong data.

Thanks for doing the homework on that! However, keep in mind that the boat tests are usually done with two maybe three persons on board and usually a light fuel load. @Ziess21 reported six adult men and a full load of fuel, that’s a lot of people weight.

It’s early days, and it’s hard to get good data of fuel burn on a test run in an unfamiliar boat with a lot going on. Time will tell. I applaud @Ziess21 fir getting the data he did get on fuel consumption… that’s something that gets overlooked with so many sparklies around!

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

1.8L BoatTest.com. Zeiss reported at 5k RPM burn was 11.5-12gph. Am I missing something, it appears worse on the 1.9L based on RPM's. Now based on MPH, if accurate, and taking that into account is far better. Maybe that is correct comparison. Also, I am wondering about the 30 mph at 5k which was reported on the test boat. I find it somewhat implausible that the MPH would be almost triple to that of the 1.8L with the same size pump and a 4 blade impeller vs. a 3 blade impeller. I do not see anyway that could be possible.

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Which boat specially was this test data associated with?

 

[HangOutdoors]

Thanks for doing the homework on that! However, keep in mind that the boat tests are usually done with two maybe three persons on board and usually a light fuel load. @Ziess21 reported six adult men and a full load of fuel, that’s a lot of people weight.

It’s early days, and it’s hard to get good data of fuel burn on a test run in an unfamiliar boat with a lot going on. Time will tell. I applaud @Ziess21 fir getting the data he did get on fuel consumption… that’s something that gets overlooked with so many sparklies around!

Still the MPH at 5000 RPM's doesn't work out. The only change would be the 4 blade impeller. More HP would not create more thrust at RPM's in the same size pump at that RPM, unless the pump was moving faster or there was substantial weight difference or some other factor such as hull etc., I don't believe...... Of course there are those on here that are far smarter than I am about the dynamics and physics of jet pump...... It would be awesome if in fact that was the case, the math just doesn't work out.

 

[HangOutdoors]

Which boat specially was this test data associated with?

222 FSH. First one I came to.

 

[FSH 210 Sport]

222 FSH. First one I came to.

Okay, not their best test in my opinion… I’ll review it and come back to this, however, if I remember what Capt Shelly said in the video part correctly was the the mpg was 1.9 but that could have been a result of the hot humid conditions which was different from the graph. @Ziess21 reported figures were 2.5-2.6 mpg in the 222 FSH.