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EV discussion - hate or love?

I was wrong, it wasn't an OTA update. The 2FA on the app expired while I was at dinner, and it didn't notify me.
Damn - I have been away from this thread but it sounds the Rivian experience has gone down the toilet for you. Maybe with Tesla plunging, people will drive up Rivian resale value and Tesla will get desperate... then you go trade in on a Tesla lease without losing much... then when that's done just go back to Audi lol

We ended up with a Q5E on a stupid good lease deal. Car has too much tech IMO and has some stuff we don't like but zero complaints, especially for the price we paid. Leasing for my wife will probably be our foreseeable future.
 
Spent the weekend doing Off Road things with the Rivian. It's far, FAR, more capable than I am confident. Lifetime of track days, autocross, and drag racing, and felt more like a beginner here than I ever have at a car event before. Overall a really good time though. It was good timing for me as well considering the rest of the experience hasn't been stellar lately.

The truck is really really impressively capable. Serious rock crawling for a day, then swap into "sport mode" and go canyon carving on the way back to the hotel in the evening. The range of capabilities here is really impressive to me.

Once out in the trails though, the truck was very just "point and shoot" capable. Spent the entirety of the day under 10mph, but crawling over/through some of the most ridiculous terrain I've encountered. I'm sure for some of you off road guys these are like the bunny slopes, but it felt very impressive to me. The park has all the trails rated like ski slopes. Green/Blue/Black. We spent the day doing the "hard greens" and "easy blues". Some of the harder sections might have crept to "medium blue" range.

It wasn't what I expected, but was still great. They had a lead guy, middle guy, and tail guy. Those three were coaches for everyone as needed. They helped us pick good lines, and coached over the radio the whole day. Well worth the cash spent to have help for a noob like myself. Beyond that, the crew of people (much like jetboat folks) was super helpful and nice to be around. Real sense of comradery amongst the group.

Interestingly enough, the whole day used 35% of the battery. That's a 45min backroads drive from the hotel to the park, 6+hrs of off road time, and then another 45min back to the hotel. Only used like 11% "at the park" all day. Which really made the range feel like no big deal, despite getting efficiency readings down in the 0.3 mi/kWh range. I'll have to pull the data to see how far we really went. We charged ONCE on the way down (232 mi trip), and twice on the way back. Both Tesla SC stations. Once down there the hotel had a L2 charger we could use for free. Was getting a slow 2.8kW from it the second night after getting 6.8kW the first night. Either way, just that little bit was enough to refill for the day.

Finally, as we left a charging station looking like this......a Cybertruk pulled in and started to charge. This was probably the cleanest example I've seen. I'm not sure if it was brand new, or just really really clean. Anyway, the kids in the Model X you see in the background there hopped out and started just OOOing and AAhhhhing over the shiny truck after having completely ignored us pulling and sitting there. By the time we were backing out and pulling past, the kids were getting their picture taken in the frunk of the Cybertruk. My 13yr old pipes up, unpompted, and says "Wonder why those kids aren't impressed with a real truck like ours instead of that shiny dumpster"........I almost spit out my fresh coffee. Come to find out, he had spent the last 2hrs in the back seat watching videos of the Cybertruks failing off road.

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Here's the pictures from the two days.

Couple of my favorites from the weekend.
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Well, on this note. I was mistaken. This isn't an OTA update. This is a poor execution of a system.

The 2FA token on my Rivian account expired while I was at dinner. SO, the app would not allow access into the truck, nor pairing with the truck. Only way I found out was to force close the app, and restart it. No alert, no notification, nothing, except denied access.

THEN, the "credit card" RFID access was clearly hampered by interference from the active rainshower I was in. A physical key, or hell even Audi's capacitive touch never failed me, not even once, in this scenario in the past.

SO.......while this particular episode of "WTF doesn't my truck work" wasn't sponsored by OTA's, it's certainly was sponsored by a tech company making a vehicle (and not the other way around). People give Ford, GM, and other "legacy" automakers a lot of shit for being "behind on software", but, you know what their cars do? They sure as hell don't lock their owners out in the rain for no apparent effing reason because of smartphone app credential expiration.
This is part of the reason why I bought my first EV from a company that already makes cars....there is so much that has gone into them in the last decade that a new company has a lot of catching up to do.
 
This is part of the reason why I bought my first EV from a company that already makes cars....there is so much that has gone into them in the last decade that a new company has a lot of catching up to do.
To be fair Hyundai motor group doesn’t have the best reputation them selves.
 
Hyundai DIDN'T have the best reputation...much better now. Love that my car has a 10 year 120k mile bumper to bumper warranty!
Better question than the length of the warranty is the number of visits it's made. Ask me how I know :D

How's your Hyundai holding up in terms of service visits?
 
Better question than the length of the warranty is the number of visits it's made. Ask me how I know :D

Ok, how do you know? :D


I'd just like to add my 600hp twin turbo V8 BMW SUV that hits 60 in under 4 seconds with nearly unlimited range has been flawless the past several months. It is, however, nearly ready for like $2000 worth of tires. And because BMW has to be special, there's only like 5-6 options. 3 are crazy expensive (like $3000 a set), 2 are feasible (a Nitto that isn't rated as well and a Goodyear that's rated well but I struggle to trust Goodyear tires to now be trash after having them as OEMs on Corvettes). There's also a few no name Chinese brands that are super sketchy but absurdly cheap.
 
Ok, how do you know? :D


I'd just like to add my 600hp twin turbo V8 BMW SUV that hits 60 in under 4 seconds with nearly unlimited range has been flawless the past several months. It is, however, nearly ready for like $2000 worth of tires. And because BMW has to be special, there's only like 5-6 options. 3 are crazy expensive (like $3000 a set), 2 are feasible (a Nitto that isn't rated as well and a Goodyear that's rated well but I struggle to trust Goodyear tires to now be trash after having them as OEMs on Corvettes). There's also a few no name Chinese brands that are super sketchy but absurdly cheap.
Yea Yea

Driving back to Louisville tomorrow. Arguably I've got "nearly unlimited" range as well, so I'm not taking that as a dig. I've almost completely stopped looking at range/mileage/usage/etc. I charge at night, I drive during the day. Special occasions (like tomorrows trip) I'll change the charge to 100% overnight, otherwise it sits at 85%. Range anxiety just isn't a thing. Also, I haven't been to a gas station since Thanksgiving, except for snacks!

Louisville from Buffalo this weekend, and again in 3wks for the KY Derby. Then Memorial day we're headed to the VA/NC line for a family weekend. Uncle has a house just minutes off the Blue Ridge Parkway, have some friendly wagers set on how well I can chase his Solstice through the mountains :D. Oh, also did the Buffalo-Bloomsburg PA a few weeks ago for the off road thing. The range is just as good as a gasser at this point IMO.

I too will be looking for tires soon though. The stock Pirelli's are known to not last much past 30k miles or so, and I'm already over 12k miles. These are getting LOUD as well. 650ft-lb of torque and 7,200lbm hasn't been kind to the soft All Terrain tires. I'll likely go with a slightly less aggressive style, however it's a pretty common 275/65/20 size, so I've got lots of options (they're still expensive though :( )
 
Hyundai DIDN'T have the best reputation...much better now. Love that my car has a 10 year 120k mile bumper to bumper warranty!
The warranty is great no doubt. The Theta II … not so much lol.
 
Yea Yea

Driving back to Louisville tomorrow. Arguably I've got "nearly unlimited" range as well, so I'm not taking that as a dig. I've almost completely stopped looking at range/mileage/usage/etc. I charge at night, I drive during the day. Special occasions (like tomorrows trip) I'll change the charge to 100% overnight, otherwise it sits at 85%. Range anxiety just isn't a thing. Also, I haven't been to a gas station since Thanksgiving, except for snacks!

Louisville from Buffalo this weekend, and again in 3wks for the KY Derby. Then Memorial day we're headed to the VA/NC line for a family weekend. Uncle has a house just minutes off the Blue Ridge Parkway, have some friendly wagers set on how well I can chase his Solstice through the mountains :D. Oh, also did the Buffalo-Bloomsburg PA a few weeks ago for the off road thing. The range is just as good as a gasser at this point IMO.

I too will be looking for tires soon though. The stock Pirelli's are known to not last much past 30k miles or so, and I'm already over 12k miles. These are getting LOUD as well. 650ft-lb of torque and 7,200lbm hasn't been kind to the soft All Terrain tires. I'll likely go with a slightly less aggressive style, however it's a pretty common 275/65/20 size, so I've got lots of options (they're still expensive though :( )

My stock Continental tires have gotten much stiffer and louder the past few weeks. They're only good for like 15k miles on this car. The Goodyear's I'm looking at are also likely only good for 15k miles too. The Nittos might do more, but per discount tire they're noticeably worse performing, and I've never gotten impressive mileage out of a Nitto. To be fair, I've also never liked a set of Goodyear tires.

Where off the parkway? I think you're going to have a heck of a time keeping up with the solstice (especially if it's a GXP). Those tight mountain roads are merciless in their direction changes, I was able to keep up with my buddy in his C6Z with my C4 because there's just nowhere to put power down. Frankly I might have been faster in my Mini Cooper S up there than I was in the C4, despite like half the power because of its shorter wheelbase and lower weight.

You're gonna have a blast though. Miss it up there all the time. Those roads make driving almost everything enjoyable.
 
My stock Continental tires have gotten much stiffer and louder the past few weeks. They're only good for like 15k miles on this car. The Goodyear's I'm looking at are also likely only good for 15k miles too. The Nittos might do more, but per discount tire they're noticeably worse performing, and I've never gotten impressive mileage out of a Nitto. To be fair, I've also never liked a set of Goodyear tires.

Where off the parkway? I think you're going to have a heck of a time keeping up with the solstice (especially if it's a GXP). Those tight mountain roads are merciless in their direction changes, I was able to keep up with my buddy in his C6Z with my C4 because there's just nowhere to put power down. Frankly I might have been faster in my Mini Cooper S up there than I was in the C4, despite like half the power because of its shorter wheelbase and lower weight.

You're gonna have a blast though. Miss it up there all the time. Those roads make driving almost everything enjoyable.
Only 15k on tires? Ouch those are EV numbers lol
 
Only 15k on tires? Ouch those are EV numbers lol

Staggered wheels, and the only tires that are made in those sizes are super soft.

I'd try to argue it's weight and power, but it isn't, you can get tires for a Hellcat Durango with more power and weight that last longer. It's purely BMW picked an oddball pair of sizes.

Coming from a history of Corvettes at least prepared me for this, lol. Corvettes and 911s and the like typically get low mileage out of tires like that too.
 
My stock Continental tires have gotten much stiffer and louder the past few weeks. They're only good for like 15k miles on this car. The Goodyear's I'm looking at are also likely only good for 15k miles too. The Nittos might do more, but per discount tire they're noticeably worse performing, and I've never gotten impressive mileage out of a Nitto. To be fair, I've also never liked a set of Goodyear tires.

Where off the parkway? I think you're going to have a heck of a time keeping up with the solstice (especially if it's a GXP). Those tight mountain roads are merciless in their direction changes, I was able to keep up with my buddy in his C6Z with my C4 because there's just nowhere to put power down. Frankly I might have been faster in my Mini Cooper S up there than I was in the C4, despite like half the power because of its shorter wheelbase and lower weight.

You're gonna have a blast though. Miss it up there all the time. Those roads make driving almost everything enjoyable.
He's in Ararat, VA. It is a GXP. I suspect we'll both be well into the "we're old enough to know better" range before our equipment limits us :) I know the AT tires on the Rivian are going to be the limiting factor for me, suspension and power to weight are arguably just as well sorted, well and the extra 5k lbs I'm carrying :)
 
He's in Ararat, VA. It is a GXP. I suspect we'll both be well into the "we're old enough to know better" range before our equipment limits us :) I know the AT tires on the Rivian are going to be the limiting factor for me, suspension and power to weight are arguably just as well sorted, well and the extra 5k lbs I'm carrying :)

You're definitely going to notice the off-road suspension and weight, lol. If it's a thing like the mountain roads I was near, power to weight didn't mean shit, it was all a weight and direction changing game. The guys on crotch rockets were really really hustling.
 
Anybody driven one of the Hummer EVs? It's been catching my (and surprisingly, the wife's) eye lately.
 
Anybody driven one of the Hummer EVs? It's been catching my (and surprisingly, the wife's) eye lately.

Shouldn't be hard to get a good deal on those. The local dealer has about 40 of them sitting on the lot.

I don't hate how they look.
 
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