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Yamaha should try to offer more flexible designs.Its interesting how individuals have their needs.....
1) My wife wouldn't get a new Yamaha without her OWN captains chair
2) Assume you mean the small front seat removable cushion area...yeah...that does waste storage space.
3) I think this is a good way to give people choice for a cheaper boat - would be nice if they'd offer it as a dealer upgrade if you wanted it. This is something they don't do much of.
4) Wont ever have a garage for my boat....
5) I'm conflicted on the transom height....gonna have to sit on it. I DO like the deep wet storage where the clean out are....you can get fenders in there.
6) Seating seems similar to me.
7) Yeah....not crazy about the dash either. I do like that they've gone back to hard switches
8) LOVE the bigger tank!
I think Yamaha's knows their real target market. They're after the family "surfable" boat market. I think they find themselves competing more in the range of the surfable Volvo forward facing drive model boats then they do actual surf boats. Also competing to stay on top of the jetboat market. I'd that's the goal, it competes very well. The questions are:If Yamaha really wanted to make a dent in the wake boat market they should have designed a no nonsense boat with out all of the bling that put out a great wave and at a price point that would have drawn some attention. People that are really into surfing and wakeboarding won't even give this boat a look at 93K. Wake boat guys could care less about speed, sure this thing can do 55MPH and it's going to burn through a lot of gas, so how often will you really want to go full throttle? They needlessly outfitted this boat with all of the fancy screens and controls to try an compete with the high end wake boats. No one but Yamaha fan boys are going to think about buying this thing. If I wanted a large wake boat there are way more options for around the same price.
I don't see the backets on their boat or where they'd fit them....but often these boats are pre production models:Do we think the 255XDs are going to get the swim up seating as an option or are the automatic wake gates in the way? Also what about the freshwater shower. Was originally interested in the 252SD, but it looks like the only interior color is the teak/brown?? Wife hates that - which means potentially moving to the 255XD for nothing other than color scheme! Ha! Would suck to have to give up the underwater seating though.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The 255 aesthetically just looks SO much better than the 252. I hate to give up the seats, but I think the 255XD will be the winner.
1) Yeah...rudder does look different....longer and different material.Thoughts:
1) Looks like the rudder has a new design and also looks to be a fiber material?
2) Relocation of the scupper and wet storage drain
3) Metal drain plug!
4) In this picture it looks like there might be different settings for wakebooster deployment...
5) I see these wakeboosters have a flat face (compared to the curved 24' attachable versions) along with a little extra tab to the outside...
That Nautique G25 Paragon is a dream boat... that or the Pavati! I joined a bunch of tow boat brand groups on FB - interesting to know how many issues these hand made boats have RIGHT from the factory. Makes Yamaha look really reliable! For instance, Nautiques have/had an issue where the driveshafts would just snap! No warning or "happens about this amount of hours" - just snap, prop and shaft sink, and your 150k boat is dead in the water. Supra's seem to have a lot of engine issues - seems to be common to "just replace the engine, it's only 5k" when they're out of warranty. DAMN!I think Yamaha did a pretty good job with the 255XD. People that are really into surfing will never or should never buy a jet boat. The Yamaha is the ultimate fun boat for the price. And they are trying to add a decent surf wave to their awesome all-around boat. As far as the captain chairs go my wife would agree with Julians. She need's her own chair and space. We bought the boat and don't need to be sandwiched next to everyone like in a dedicated wake boat. The U seating was designed to get as many people in the boat as possible to make the wake as big as possible. Yes, it makes more storage but in new wake boats there is more storage than you can fill with the sub floor ballast. Yamaha should have put the ballast below the floor. That would free up more room than dumping the passenger chair. Modern wake boats don't even need much ballast these days with the boats weighing so much more and the displacement hull design. I wish they would put a stern thruster on at a minimum. Bow and stern would be so awesome. High end wake boats come with the stern thruster now. You can buy a new Moomba for the same price and get a better wake and surf experience, but I don't think it would make it to Bimini, have the room, the speed or HP. Its a budget boat at $100K. My dream boat would be a new Nautique G25 Paragon. They are $350K just to give you a little taste of how crazy boat prices are these days. Yamaha will sell them like ice cream on a hot day. Will it be my next boat? maybe, but I got everyone surfing this year and will probably get a dedicated wake boat.
I think we have Yamaha goggles on sometimes. I'm around a lot of wake boats at the lake at concerts, party cove, etc., and they have kids (you and old) hang out behind the boat, tow kids tubing, have more room and and storage for boards, quality interior, etc. You could make some points on reliability, but even yamaha has problems, speed maybe some points. If you call yourself an ultimate wakesurfing boat without rival, and you are in the $100K range, then you put yourself head to head with the market...albeit perhaps lower end of the market. They will sell though with Yamaha enthusiasts and folks that will be happy with the wave it produces, but I think having the view that the newer wake boats aren't an all around boat is a stale view. Different and pros and cons no doubt.I guess the point is that they aren't trying to go head to head with Wake boats. They are trying to build a well rounded boat that can do multiple things - like drive to Bimini, hang out behind and socialize, tow kids tubing, wake sports for amateurs, look fancy and is roomy and comfy. For some....going fast is important. I don't think it will be their top seller by any means, but it will fill a niche for them.
From what I've read, the wake wave KING are the Centurion boats.The Paviti is very cool. I have seen one in real life and they do kinda look hand built. I love the bow and stern thrusters with the dock hold. I think all boats should have it. But I have watched tons of videos and Pavati claims the biggest and tallest wake. It sure isn’t the best wake though. That probably goes to the G23. That’s why I would pass on the Pavati.
There is NO WAY, for example, that I would ever consider taking a wake boat to Bimini. Just not capable of a trip like that. My Yamaha is.I think we have Yamaha goggles on sometimes. I'm around a lot of wake boats at the lake at concerts, party cove, etc., and they have kids (you and old) hang out behind the boat, tow kids tubing, have more room and and storage for boards, quality interior, etc. You could make some points on reliability, but even yamaha has problems, speed maybe some points. If you call yourself an ultimate wakesurfing boat without rival, and you are in the $100K range, then you put yourself head to head with the market...albeit perhaps lower end of the market. They will sell though with Yamaha enthusiasts and folks that will be happy with the wave it produces, but I think having the view that the newer wake boats aren't an all around boat is a stale view. Different and pros and cons no doubt.
I think the ability for a wake surf boat to make a trip to Bimini is low on the priority for most people, and wouldn't be a consideration for someone serious about surfing. If you want a nice all around boat that is surf capable, then the Yamaha would be good...no doubt, no qualms. If you claim you have the ultimate surf boat it's just not true. Very nice boat, all around boat a home run, you can surf on it no doubt. Of course some wake boats are the upper end of the spectrum, but you can get a comparable, and arguable higher end Moomba, like the Makai, for the same price as the 255XD and the surfing exponentially better. But you can't take it Bimini.There is NO WAY, for example, that I would ever consider taking a wake boat to Bimini. Just not capable of a trip like that. My Yamaha is.
Also if you took a bar graph of the prices of Yamaha's line up vs <insert wake boat manufacturer name here> I am pretty certain that Yamaha's line up starting at $30,649 up to $131,249, I'll hazard a guess that most wake boats bar starts around $60K and goes up to $250K? And the 27' Yamahas aren't really even in the Wake boat comparison category.