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I agree except with the deal of how JBP went about acquiring the Ridesteady system for free and not promoting as promised... followed by threats. The customer service is something praiseworthy, but the business practices seem unethical... and despite the multiple call outs the accusations posed by the other party have gone unanswered.
So someone uses your product to promote sales of another one of their products, never compensates you for it in any way, despite an agreement to do so, and THEN copies your idea and begins selling it themselves? You don't "see anything shady about that"? It may not be illegal, but is most certainly unethical. You are not required to care about anyone's character, but I would hope that most people do. I do.
That's fair, but that just doesn't phase me as a consumer in a free market. JBP got a free unit and used his position as leverage to try to get his ultimate goal which was some sort of licensing agreement to sell RS. That didn't work and RS wrote off the loss of the unit. My guess is RS could have pushed the issue under some sort of breach claim, but their loss of 1 unit wasn't material.
Breaching a contract isn't always shady IMO. It can be, but sometimes it's business. The law has avenues to rectify the injured parties assuming the elements were there to make it a valid agreement. That likely wasn't worth pursing because the loss was only 1 unit. If it's immaterial for one company to pursue their loss I'm not going to get worked up over failed business dealings.
I normally stay out of this stuff because the boating side of life is supposed to be fun, and I have enough B.S. in my day job, yet here I go. I agree competition is a good thing, but this feels more like the other team filming your practice to know your plays. Yes you practice in the open and it’s a free country, but it isn’t fair competition. Until we get both sides of the story we can’t really make a judgment one way or the other, but on its face this isn’t a great look for JBP.
It is difficult to see who is pushing an agenda and who has a real opinion. Would be nice if the vendors have tags indicating such. There may be some members that are compensated by vendors as well.
I'd certainly hope not! Without disclosure, that would be a huge breach of trust, in my opinion.
Yeah but what happens most of the time is vendors are pulled into other threads to answer questions or contribute and/or correct information in regards to their product. So it makes sense for vendor specific posts but I think most of the time it isn't that cut and dry.
Filming practices to gain an advantage would be governed by the league rules. If whatever league deems it as okay, it would be fair game and completely above board. If not, it would be a big no no. The governing body of our economic system has already deemed rebranding unprotected products okay. It's kind of the point of capitalism. If someone can do it better/cheaper/faster, they should try because that's better for the market.
As a vendor, I'll say this. I dare not make claims that I can't back up, as there are a ton of highly intelligent people on this board that would undoubtedly call out any BS. In many ways, as long as the temperature doesn't get too hot, I believe this board to be fairly well self-regulating.
Haha, yes. Hard to see, but as the boat turns you can get a glimpse of it in the driver area. Perhaps this was the promotional video he promised to post, he just got the brand name confused?
I guess I was thinking more in terms of local sports vs the NFL which is more regulated, but I get your point. I also understand it is legal, and Lord knows I have taken advantage of situations like that as a consumer (currently drinking out of a Sam's Club type of Yeti cup as I type this). I guess I am letting emotion cloud things a bit because I have felt like this board is such a great community, and has been so helpful to me over the last couple of years, that I didn't like the appearance of what could be something underhanded, albeit legal, from a member. Like I said, until the other side of the story comes out this is all conjecture anyway.
If anyone wants to send me a gps speed control for free that works with old fashion carbs I’ll say great things about it here. Might even make a video.