Surfing question

[Pisgah Pilot (2016 212X)]

Bill...have you put any weight in locker or forward of pilot seat?

 

[Bill D]

I put a 540 on the floor over the ski locker. I started with it all the way at the back and have moved it forward so about 3/4 of the bag is on the locker. I'll need more weight on the stern before I can move it forward any more. I currently use a 540 on the swim deck and an 800 on the port seat.

 

[0627Devildog]

I love this video man!!! What angle do you think you have the wedge at? Have you tried to stretch out the wave with adding some front ballast?

Thanks, glad you liked it. Yes, I have played with ballast up front. I've had 400 in bow area in addition to the 400lbs in the ski locker. What I've found is its better for the wave to sink the jets as much as possible. When you load up the front it tends to want to level out.

 

[nate kennedy]

After watching your videos comparing to mine it looks like I need more weight. In this video I have 1180# full port side 400 starboard side and prob 400 in ski locker... there was also probably 700-800 pounds passangers all surf side except driver. Should we be looking at adding an external bag on the swim platform? I was trying to avoid that I liked them all hidden. Any other thoughts let me know!

Thanks!!!

 

[Brady]

Hello I'm ready to buy a jet boat! My main thing I want to do is wakesurf! Budject under 12,500$ any suggestions of what to get/look for?

 

[Julian]

If I fill the bags individually on the '17 212X they fill much more than if I hit the "Fill All" preset. Do all the pumps use a common input line - are we overloading how much water that can supply if we run them all at the same time?

There is only one input line on the 242x, but the boat is only filling one bag/tank at a time. On the new 212x with rear tanks, there are TWO input lines...one for the ski locker, and one shared between the two rear tanks. I wonder if on the 212x there is a power draw issue when you run both at the same time?

 

[0627Devildog]

Hello I'm ready to buy a jet boat! My main thing I want to do is wakesurf! Budject under 12,500$ any suggestions of what to get/look for?

With a budget of $12.5K you don't really have any options in a surfable jet boat IMHO.

 

[Brady]

I could go 15k

 

[AJR1977]

To surf "ropeless" behind a jet boat you will need about 2500lbs of ballast and a wake wedge ... Add that cost $1300-$1500 to your budget

 

[geohil]

I could go 15k

Since surfing is all about displacement you need a 19' boat or better. The cheapest Yamaha I've seen was a 21' for $24,500. After that you are still going to need a couple hundred dollars in external ballast bags (if you buy the less expensive ones) and a $800 wake wedge.
You might be able to find a cheaper Seadoo Utopia but I'm not up on what it takes to get those to surf.

You might be better off to find an old inboard and get some bags? I've seen a couple Mastercraft's around here for under $10k, but then you have the maintenance of a carbureted American V8.
Sorry man.

 

[nate kennedy]

Can't go ropeless or find any push, but I can enjoy it with family at least!

 

[Blenderhead]

There is only one input line on the 242x, but the boat is only filling one bag/tank at a time. On the new 212x with rear tanks, there are TWO input lines...one for the ski locker, and one shared between the two rear tanks. I wonder if on the 212x there is a power draw issue when you run both at the same time?

I run all my pumps at the same time, as well as run the additional pump I installed to fill my Flyhigh bags on my rear swim deck. No power draw issues noticed.

 

[Julian]

I run all my pumps at the same time, as well as run the additional pump I installed to fill my Flyhigh bags on my rear swim deck. No power draw issues noticed.

Interesting, when showing me the 242x the Yamaha engineers said the pumps ran in series not in parallel. Based on that, the new 212x should run 2 pumps at once, but not 3. The reason the engineers gave was that the water inlet couldn't keep up with the demand from more than one pump. Perhaps they increased the inflow size?

The 242x (2016) has only one inlet
The 212x (2017) has two inlets (one for ski locker and one shared for under seat tanks)

 

[Blenderhead]

Interesting, when showing me the 242x the Yamaha engineers said the pumps ran in series not in parallel. Based on that, the new 212x should run 2 pumps at once, but not 3. The reason the engineers gave was that the water inlet couldn't keep up with the demand from more than one pump. Perhaps they increased the inflow size?

The 242x (2016) has only one inlet
The 212x (2017) has two inlets (one for ski locker and one shared for under seat tanks)

All I know is that I press "Fill All" ballast and press the rocker on my additional pump and they actively fill up at the same time.... now this of course is referencing the fill indicators on my screen that all show active filling at the same time. Of course my ski locker bag takes longer to fill but, as far as I can see they are filling quickly and simultaneously.

 

[Julian]

All I know is that I press "Fill All" ballast and press the rocker on my additional pump and they actively fill up at the same time.... now this of course is referencing the fill indicators on my screen that all show active filling at the same time. Of course my ski locker bag takes longer to fill but, as far as I can see they are filling quickly and simultaneously.

Cool...when I do fill all, they start filling one after another...so the newer system is WAY better!

 

[geohil]

Cool...when I do fill all, they start filling one after another...so the newer system is WAY better!

I think it is a mixed blessing. I was playing last night with the "Fill All" vs. filling individually. When I use "Fill All" my rear tanks make it to maybe 80% and my ski locker bag makes it to maybe 75%. If I fill individually I get closer to 90% on all. Wish it was easier to adjust the timers in Connext to correct this issue.

 

[jcyamaharider]

Cool...when I do fill all, they start filling one after another...so the newer system is WAY better!

@Julian my boat is still one intake and fills all 3 at the same time, but I can see where my port bag would be starved

 

[Julian]

@Julian my boat is still one intake and fills all 3 at the same time, but I can see where my port bag would be starved

Ok.....perhaps they've changed it....or my memory is fouled up! I've not watched mine. But I do recall a discussion with the techs about filling one at a time....might be how they max out filling them?

 

[jcyamaharider]

Ok.....perhaps they've changed it....or my memory is fouled up! I've not watched mine. But I do recall a discussion with the techs about filling one at a time....might be how they may out filling them?

I doubt it, your memory is darn good, I bet they just changed it.