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There is another thread about Ford's engine failures in the new Bronco. Failures are still pretty darn common.
Yes, there are accidents like I said. I also accurately pointed out that the overall accident rate with Autopilot engaged is a small fraction of the overall rate. You can't fix stupid. Stupid people will abuse the Autopilot just like they abuse the accelerator pedal, the brake pedal and the steering wheel. BTW, Teslas currently track both that your hands are on the wheel at regular intervals, and that your eyes are on the road. If I look away from the road for too long, the car will stop and Autopilot will disengage for the remainder of the trip. If I do that three times, I lose a great deal of Autopilot functionality--permanently. What happens if you fall asleep at the wheel in your car? Does it safely come to a stop while avoiding accidents? Or does it careen off the road, possibly killing you, your passengers and anyone unlucky enough to be driving or walking near you? This happens all of the time. It happens so often that it doesn't even make the news.
They did that recall based off like 36 engines. And that's a batch of bad parts, that could happen in an EV as well. It's not something an EV is inherently immune from, they also have parts that could be manufactured wrong.
Not to suggest that auto pilot isn't safer/better at driving vs a human, but the recent news is saying there were more accidents that initially reported:
You realize your just arguing to argue if your saying ICE drivetrains are more or just as reliable than EVs. All evidence (along with common sense) says otherwise. There is literally no argument whatsoever.
Don't disagree, I take the reports of pretty much everything in the news woth a grain of salt. Or a whole jar. But it's hard to explain how that guy who got pulled over while reading a book in the back wasn't in Auto pilot isn't it? I'd be skeptical of a claim that it wasn't in auto pilot at that time...
No, what I'm saying is that the average ICE vehicle will last as long as an EV vehicle, because they'll both be off the road long before the powertraing gives out. Sure, there will be outliers, the tenths of a percent of vehicles with a bad part, a cold solder joint, a defective semiconductor, whatever. But probably 90% of cars on the road aren't taken off the road due to powertrain issues... They're wrecked, beyond economical repair, etc. Those are end games that an EV will still easily have.
Yes, that idiot did do that. However, as I pointed out, Tesla updated all vehicles--including older vehicles--to track eye movement as well as regular steering wheel interaction. If I try and look at my phone my car let's me know pretty quickly to get my eyes back on the road.
I'll wait for better data. There a number of disclaimers in that article about the data, and at this point I don't trust any study from this administration, or the Senators listed in the article, until the study and data has been vetted by independent sources. Right off the bat the study is clearly biased as the "click bait" portion of it implies condemnation of Tesla because 70% of the ADAs related accidents involve Tesla, while failing to mention that close to 90% of ADAS equipped vehicles on the road are Teslas. So the 70% number should be touted as evidence that Tesla ADAS is safer than the competition; instead corrupt politicians simply misrepresent the data to try and extort money from Tesla. Biden, Markey, et al have a history of attacking Tesla, IMHO because Tesla pays them no bribes. It is a fact that all other automakers and the UAW pay regular bribes--oops, I mean make campaign contributions and pay speaking fees--to the politicians named in this article, along with the DNC and Joe.
Wow....because no company has ever covered up, made hard to get, buried bad data about their product? I'm not anti Tesla, but you really seem like a Tesla fan who'll turn a blind eye to anything they do wrong. Yes it is preliminary data but these systems are relatively new in the grand scheme of things and there are bound to be accidents. They'd have been MUCH better off to have released all the data than holding it back and now looking like they had something to hide. I do hope that the additional accidents not reported were held back because they were tiny fender benders vs the one many people recall where the auto drive system thought the truck was an overpass and drove right into it killing the occupant (didn't say "driver" as clearly he wasn't driving). They've change a lot since then as you point out.
Lets be real - they just go further upside down.
I agree, but with a economic slow down, bank will be looking to cover their balance sheet. With the high costs of autos the $0 down thing will be a thing of the past. Back in the 80's banks required 20 percent down. 20% back then was a lot less than it is now. 2k vs 8k now on the low side.
Lol, a friend of mine, a reasonably smart engineer to boot, rolled negative equity from not 1, not 2, but THREE cars over. He bought 2 sports cars in college, then graduated and got married and rolled those into a fancy suv for his new wife to roll in.
Sounds like a few people I know. My boss isn't much different lol
Thats a great rule of thumb. I can attest to the banking getting tighter. My commercial lender is a small bank that I have been with for a long time. For the first time ever, they are looking really closely at their loans for repayment. I just sent my docs in and he called said ok. We talked a while and he(the bank) is anticipating a 20 to 25 % default rate.
The boat mortgages they offer blow my mind. Pretty sure I saw some 30 year ones. That's nuts, and irresponsible.
No, I'm just waiting for better data. I do think the investigation is important, but the data is not even close to being complete yet. I would not be shocked if Tesla "massaged" the numbers, nor would I be shocked if the preliminary numbers are inflated. I don't believe incomplete investigations should be used for anything other than indications that the investigation should or should not continue. I do think it should continue, and I also think some of the preliminary data is being used by politicians to further their personal goals. When the investigation is complete, and the data has been reviewed, then it will be worth something. Jumping the gun is never a good idea.