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My latest mistake

Discussion in 'Yamaha AR230, SX230, SR230 and 232 Limited / S' started by veedubtek, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. PaulyB

    PaulyB Jet Boat Junkie

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    So the auction starts in two hours, the way Copart works is, you can pre-bid up until the bid goes live, then you have to log in and actually wait for the item to go up on the "auction block" depending on how many items that particular location is auctioning it could take 15 minutes for the item to hit the auction block or it could take two hours. You have to log on and see how far down the list the item is that you want to bid on. Then when it hits the auction block, whoever is logged in can bid, and it is like a real auction, where you bid and someone else has 10 or 15 seconds to place another bid. If no one bids after the allotted amount of time, the item is sold to whoever was the last bidder.
     
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  2. gmtech16450yz

    gmtech16450yz Jet Boat Lover

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    This is no doubt not going to be well received, but I liked the "old" days when you actually had to be responsible for your own actions. I've bought and sold hundreds of cars, trucks, motorhomes, boats, dirtbikes and even old machine shop equipment. Back when there was no "feedback" to protect you from dishonest sellers misrepresenting items. (Not saying that's what happened here btw.) Back when the companies or dealerships didn't have to bend over backwards and give the customer whatever they wanted, whether it was deserved or not. Back when this country was a lot less "idiot proof".

    But now we live in a country that can't sell a new boat without covering it with literally dozens of caution stickers. We live in a country that is hell bent on protecting us from ourselves. I personally don't like it. Every single vehicle I bought I knew was a gamble. Even brand new vehicles are a gamble. Somebody on here just found out how a new boat can be a gamble if you don't know how to properly operate it. It's life. Life is not idiot proof.

    Sorry! I said right up front this wasn't going to be friendly! I'm NOT saying any of my thoughts are directly related to this thread. I'm talking more in general. If you buy anything used (or new even), you better realize the risks. You better be educated enough in whatever it is you're buying so you can make an educated guess as to what you're getting. You CAN NOT rely strictly on what the seller says, you need to use your own eyes, ears, hands and nose to make these decisions. And if that item is across the country, you need to decide if you want to risk the cost of a plane ticket or not. I personally wouldn't buy a vehicle without laying my own eyes on it unless I was ok with possibly taking a total loss on the purchase. A plane ticket anywhere in the country is cheap insurance.

    Just a few of my own thoughts. This boat was sold in an auction, and obviously sold "as is". If the seller did anything wrong, he probably did too much. I would have simply listed it as "I'm simply a broker for this boat, I have no knowledge whatsoever of it's condition or history."

    To the OP, I didn't even see if this is a single engine or dual engine boat, but either way, if I had a jet boat with a blown engine or two I'd seriously consider putting one or two GM LNF engines in it. Totally stock they're 260hp/260tq. With a mild tune they'll put out an easy 350/350. Put a bigger turbo on one and 500/500 is totally doable. So what would a 1000hp/1000tq Yamaha jet boat be like???!!!
     
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  3. 2kwik4u

    2kwik4u Jet Boat Addict

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    So much this. All of this. I love it.

    I agree with the other stuff too BTW :D
     
  4. swatski

    swatski Jetboaters Fleet Admiral

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    You are not serious, re you?
    What would be the pump you would pair those engines with? What RPMs? Gear reduction?
    In my experience, those thigns are very carefully matched up, even the slightest deviation from the pitch or size of the impeller, leave alone changing pump size, will throw everythign off balance and the boat/ski would run like shit...

    Am I missing something?
    Perhaps your post was simply humorous.

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  5. Julian

    Julian Jetboaters Fleet Admiral Staff Member Administrator

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    A while back somone put in Acura engines in their 230....ran fast if I recall. But yes... Too much power and you'll just be trying to suck a bowling ball through a hose.
     
  6. swatski

    swatski Jetboaters Fleet Admiral

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    Those V6s were used in Honda O/Bs if I'm not mistaken, producing about 200-250hp? still the RPM would much lower than what the Yamaha pumps need, at the end with EXTENSIVE TESTING you would either be cavitating out of the hole or lugging the engine??????

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  7. bronze_10

    bronze_10 Jetboaters Admiral

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    With a 1000 hp yammie you can leave the pumps the way they are and then add two out drives as well! A crossover yammie!
     
  8. gmtech16450yz

    gmtech16450yz Jet Boat Lover

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    Oh come on guys, don't kill my dream! lol.

    I'm only half serious. I know it would be quite a project, but those motors can be had super cheap and make big hp. The jets can be made to work, it's just a matter of impeller sizing. Sure, it might cavitate at WOT from a stop, but you should have all the inlet water you need once you're up to speed. The LNF engines make max torque at 2600 rpm, about 3200rpm max torque when you go big turbo. They'll make that torque pretty much flat all the way to 7300rpm. Not too many 500hp 2.0L 4 cylinder engines that will make useable power from ~3k to over 7k. Why WOULDN'T you want to put one in a boat? lol.

    Common sense prevails though. Obviously these Yamaha hulls are not meant to go over 60. All you'd end up with is a boat that goes a little bit faster but uses gobs of fuel to do it. If I wanted to play with something fast that had a jet, I'd put the 800+ hp LSA I have sitting in my shop in something like a little 14 foot Sea Doo or Sugar Sand. haha. Even then I'd have to put a Berkeley jet in it. The whole bottom of the boat would have to be intake!
     
  9. Wisefam22

    Wisefam22 Active Member

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    Come down to GA and let's up my boat to twin 500hp motors. Make bimini in what 40min or so? If I can stay on the water.
     
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  10. Greg M

    Greg M Jet Boat Lover

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    I have no dog in this fight, but been gone a LONG time from here, working my ass off, catching up on a years worth of posts, and this caught my eye... a few things jump to my attention.....

    (im not direct quoting just verbatim quoting)

    "I ran from the pool in bimini to find wifi because it dawned on me the auction was ending.... beer involved"
    ok, have to say it, regardless of anything said in the ad, I have to point out.. the price in the last 15 minutes jumped $1500 (typical on ebay), $800 of it in the last 50 seconds!!!! Knowing how EBay auction bidding works on both sides and how to read the buyer bidding (I made a hell of a fortune when EBay Motors went live!!) and having been in an auction environment 2 days a week for 22 years.... You got caught up in the auction and clearly turned buying into a contest of who will flinch first, it's called impulse buying. He out bid me, well BOOM, back at you. ANY AUCTION, WELL BEFORE IT ENDS, you appraise, you read the market to see if its trending up or down when you can, you set your limit, you put it in, and you live by it...if you win you win, if you dont you dont! You do this so you don't do exactly what happened, get wrapped up in the moment or in a "pissing contest". Sorry for the language.... just using standard industry terms in the car business.

    Regardless of buyer or listing information, buyers remorse happens daily and commonly, and it's NEVER the fault of the person the buyer sees in the mirror.... it's always "they" did something to me, never I did something to me. Not to be a smart ass, but no guns, duress, family held for ransom, and/or blackmail was brought to bear on the buyer to "force him" to A. Buy this boat and B. bid that much for what even a casual online vehicle buyer would see in a description with red flags. Sorry veedubtek, not trying to kick you even more while you're down and I understand your frustration and anger. (and betting you have literally said the same thing to yourself!!!)

    Now the other side that alarms me or makes me go huh?
    "80yo old man with cancer just show up one day months after we last talked... did i mention he was 80?...and had lung cancer?... and he just shows up? "
    ..... ok, Do people take an inch and go a mile, absolutely! Do they take an inch, and out of the blue, months later, show up at your place with "no idea he was coming", dragging a boat hundreds of miles, and just out of the blue show up for you to buy/sell it??? (language warning) Get the fuck out of here!

    old man, 80, cancer, brings boat, sure. No damn way you didn't facilitate him coming.... how would he even FIND OUT WHERE TO GO!!!! lol You might not have known he was coming that soon, but after no contact for months? Im guessing, you talked a few times, he told you the boat needed a little work (never the motor is blown to hell, it just needs a little tlc... general public are the biggest liars in any vehicle deal 99% of the time), you made some non-committal comments on a monday afternoon phone call, you assumed he might contact you a week or two later and you would then back out or beg off or some other thing to not deal with it, and then something along the lines of you talk on monday afternoon and weds morning he shows up! That I can see, I've been there!

    Now hes 80, did i mention he has cancer?, and here is this boat. You good guy it, because you backed yourself into a corner you didnt even want to be in in the first damn place and the boat that needs a little tlc,
    1. you see it needs a LOT of TLC and money OR
    2.you glanced at it, he was ok with "get what you can out of it", and you gave 5 minute eye appraisal info as a seller OR
    3. you bought the damn thing at a price so low you didn't have to care about condition and just no reserved it to ditch it.

    3 seems most likely. Did you lie.. no. Did you do your diligence to provide full disclosure or even reasonable disclosure as a 100% seller... no.

    Call me a liar on this part, you had your son clean the boat and eyeball maybe even tinker with the boat, did I mention hes 18?? and you took what he said, what the old man with cancer said, painted lipstick on a pig you bought cheap as ... cheap!, never dreamed it would go that high, happy it did, (and nothing wrong with that, bad buyers are ebayers dream) but now having some backlash because we both know you didn't do what you should have to sell the boat.... hence whatever veebudtek needs you will get it to him at cost because you feel bad because you have guilt knowing you slacked off on this one plus you've already made your money so getting him what he needs at cost won't cost you a dime other than time to save your rep here. It happens. If you feel so bad, take half of what you made net, send veedubtek a check. I know, we know, just sayin. lol

    I would recommend both of you have a drink, sit back, learn a lesson, and move on.

    (quick edit... I literally never ever refused to tell someone exactly what I had in a car! Thats no bs. If they had enough nerve to ask, I would tell them. I lived by the code you make your money when you buy a car, not when you sell it. Buy right, you dont have to work very hard to sell right!)
     
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  11. swatski

    swatski Jetboaters Fleet Admiral

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    Bull shit.
    Pleas read the whole thread and also what the seller posted elsewhere in the FORUM - he has represented himself as a, basically, proven entity - someone who's sold Bruce his boat etc. etc. Very, very sneaky, if you ask me.

    Impulsive or not, if the seller did not lie/misrepresent the auctioned item condition the price veedub paid would had been a solid deal, if not great.

    This is incorrect. For example, look at the plug issues and how that was covered... (contrary to seller's description the spark plugs did not look like new - looked like shit, all of them)
    Complete lie. Impossible to overlook, would had been a critical piece of evidence for anyone looking at the auction remotely - why I find the seller's deceptive representation of himself (friend of jetboaters bs) so objectionable.

    IMHO.

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  12. gmtech16450yz

    gmtech16450yz Jet Boat Lover

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    Dead on! Guys, I have no idea who Greg M is, but I'm going to say he's the voice of experience and reason when it comes to the subject here. So many of the things he said are totally dead on.

    Sorry Swatski! Don't forget the title of this thread though... "My latest MISTAKE". Veedubtek clearly said he was under the influence of alcohol and was totally distracted at the end of the auction. That's NOT how you Ebay. But like Greg said, that's the beauty of auctions and ebay. It only takes two people to drive the price of something through the roof. On ebay you have access to millions of people, and you only need two. That's why there's tons of people that make their living SELLING on ebay, but very few people making a living BUYING on ebay. In a totally blanket statement-

    If you want to make top dollar selling something, put it on ebay. If you want to get a killer deal buying something, look on craigslist.

    That's obviously an extremely general statement, but I've bought and sold cr@ploads of stuff over the last 4 decades and I d@mn well know how to get a deal and sell stuff for good money. H#ll I've bought high end Canon L lenses off craigslist practically brand new, I used them for a year or two, then sold them on ebay for literally twice what I paid. If I wanted a killer deal on a project boat, ebay would NOT be where I'd look. And if I did, I wouldn't be bidding at the last minute while under the influence of alcohol. lol.

    It is interesting how polarizing this is though. Like Greg also said, I think we all need to just chalk it up as a lesson learned and walk away.
     
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  13. swatski

    swatski Jetboaters Fleet Admiral

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    No need to apologize, (unfortunately) I'm not surprised by your condescending tone at all.

    Your "extremely general statement" is off the mark, if the seller did not lie and misrepresent in the auctioned boat description - this would had been a solid purchase! (w/ alcohol induced bidding bravado or not).

    I do agree with this:
    I have no doubt that Veedub's honest to God, no bs, and very humble post was meant precisely as a lesson and a warning to anyone frequenting jetboaters.net - to not be blindsided by a questionable Ebay seller.

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  14. gmtech16450yz

    gmtech16450yz Jet Boat Lover

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    That's me, Condescending Johnnie. lol. Sorry to hear the love affair is over. I thought we had something.
     
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  15. Beachbummer

    Beachbummer Jet Boat Addict

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    I agree that blatant lies in advertisement are in poor taste and should be criminal.

    Sorry you got burned, but it's not all on you.

    This is the kind of thing that diminishes ones trust in humanity.
     
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  16. swatski

    swatski Jetboaters Fleet Admiral

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    Not so fast, my friend, not so fast, lol.
    You know I love your posts. Especially when they make sense

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  17. Seadeals

    Seadeals Jetboaters Lieutenant

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    I love when we can agree to disagree; staying friends. This forum is getting big and it seems to be more and more of a challenge to keep it the happy place we all retreated to from the tyranny of site “B”. There are so many great points of view/perspectives to consider. If life were easy, we would all conclude the same; but it’s like a box of chocolates. At least the square ones are usually caramels. Sorry for the troubles @veedubtek we are here to help you make lemonade.
     
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