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Russia Invades Ukraine AND Chinese Aircraft Enter Taiwan Airspace

Unfortunately it is just a statement but “
The United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia over its invasion of Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body.

The resolution, supported by 141 of the assembly's 193 members”

 
Unfortunately it is just a statement but “
The United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia over its invasion of Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body.

The resolution, supported by 141 of the assembly's 193 members”


In support of the resolution - 141 countries
Against the resolution - 5 countries (Russia, Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea and Syria)
Abstained - 35 countries including China

Jim
 
Easy tiger…nobody needs your condemnation. You can make your point just as easily and effectively without dad-shaming others.
THIS is one of the many reasons I love this forum. Anywhere else, DRock's post might have resulted in a severe electronic ass-kicking from a crowd. Here, if I say something regrettable, someone like Taylorman is probably going to very gently "easy Tiger" me into reassessing my statement, and hopefully I'm going to be grateful for it. I am going to laugh about this exchange for the rest of the week, and hope to casually toss a few "easy Tiger"s at people during my endless video conferences.
 
A Ukrainian friend recently posted this how to document.

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They are taking a page out of Zelensky’s book. It seems as though America has taken the old middle East strategy of pick your favorite tyrant. Today’s happy gatherers of US equipment, will be tomorrow’s problem. We have a few Ukrainian employees, and they enlightened me to a very different side of the story. “Who do you want to align with Jason? The guy who shuts down every free speech news agency who speaks against him, and puts his political opposition in jail, or Putin”? I was like…huh??? So I looked it up. Turns out Americas beloved hero of Ukraine may be worse than Putin. It’s like the Yankees vs Dodgers.
 
They are taking a page out of Zelensky’s book. It seems as though America has taken the old middle East strategy of pick your favorite tyrant. Today’s happy gatherers of US equipment, will be tomorrow’s problem. We have a few Ukrainian employees, and they enlightened me to a very different side of the story. “Who do you want to align with Jason? The guy who shuts down every free speech news agency who speaks against him, and puts his political opposition in jail, or Putin”? I was like…huh??? So I looked it up. Turns out Americas beloved hero of Ukraine may be worse than Putin. It’s like the Yankees vs Dodgers.

Are you seriously suggesting that Zelensky is worse than Putin?

Here's an on-line article from the Wilson Center, Fighting a Hybrid War with Hybrid Means: Zelensky Sanctions Pro-Russia Media and Parties,
that mentions actions taken against the Strana.ua news website.

Jim
 
They are taking a page out of Zelensky’s book. It seems as though America has taken the old middle East strategy of pick your favorite tyrant. Today’s happy gatherers of US equipment, will be tomorrow’s problem. We have a few Ukrainian employees, and they enlightened me to a very different side of the story. “Who do you want to align with Jason? The guy who shuts down every free speech news agency who speaks against him, and puts his political opposition in jail, or Putin”? I was like…huh??? So I looked it up. Turns out Americas beloved hero of Ukraine may be worse than Putin. It’s like the Yankees vs Dodgers.

Zelensky may have been a dick about the opposition but Putin has the military firepower to wreak havoc. I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m glad US military forces aren’t joining, Ukraine has the right to keep their sovereignty, but ukraine can’t play both sides to have their cake and eat it too. Don’t forget ukraine is very corrupt country, it’s military power is no where near what Putin has. But I’m also glad the world has a moral compass to view what Putin is doin is wrong.
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that Zelensky is worse than Putin?

Here's an on-line article from the Wilson Center, Fighting a Hybrid War with Hybrid Means: Zelensky Sanctions Pro-Russia Media and Parties,
that mentions actions taken against the Strana.ua news website.

Jim
I’m suggesting that Ukraine is in no way the free democratic nation we pretend it is. They have a leader who up until a week ago, was doing all the same things we hate Putin for. Putting political opponents in jail, shutting down opposition media etc. All under the guise of protecting the poor idiots from misinformation. It’s no different than the former Soviet Union creating the one pure and true media source “Pravda”. We wouldn’t want the poor stupid bastards to be misled by having choices of what to read.
 
@Mesa50, Putin thanks you for your service. Democracy not so much.

The Ukraine is a young democracy that has issues like all countries do. I don’t think any of us believe the Ukrainian or any government is perfect however the Ukrainian people are standing up for their freedom and if they succeed will help to preserve global freedom. Personally I respect them and Zelensky.
 
I’m suggesting that Ukraine is in no way the free democratic nation we pretend it is

Not sure that really matters does it, it takes time to evolve? People are suffering and dying during this invasion/war, not good at all. Perhaps things like this are turning points in a country, and society.
 
They are taking a page out of Zelensky’s book. It seems as though America has taken the old middle East strategy of pick your favorite tyrant. Today’s happy gatherers of US equipment, will be tomorrow’s problem. We have a few Ukrainian employees, and they enlightened me to a very different side of the story. “Who do you want to align with Jason? The guy who shuts down every free speech news agency who speaks against him, and puts his political opposition in jail, or Putin”? I was like…huh??? So I looked it up. Turns out Americas beloved hero of Ukraine may be worse than Putin. It’s like the Yankees vs Dodgers.
You mean the “political opposition” that is currently bombing the fuck out of civilians across his country?

A lot of really dumb ideas have grown from “some guys at work said” in recent times.
 
I’m suggesting that Ukraine is in no way the free democratic nation we pretend it is. They have a leader who up until a week ago, was doing all the same things we hate Putin for. Putting political opponents in jail, shutting down opposition media etc. All under the guise of protecting the poor idiots from misinformation. It’s no different than the former Soviet Union creating the one pure and true media source “Pravda”. We wouldn’t want the poor stupid bastards to be misled by having choices of what to read.
I too have Ukrainian friends and employees. None of them think an armed invasion by Russia is the right answer to a minority presence in the Ukraine wanting to rejoin Russia. If I were in Zelensky's position I would have likely also done the same thing - when there is an invasion force massed on your border and puppet TV stations are encouraging them to come in and save them - I'd shut that crap down too!!! Is it the perfect way (via decree)? No. But times of war often require imperfect solutions. Doesn't mean the man is an anti democracy tyrant. He was VOTED in! And now he'll potentially be murdered out?
 
Europeans have seized two mega yachts and counting:


Little dingys!

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A friend of mine posted this on another site.

Back in 1990, the world went to war, literally, when Kuwait, with a population of 4 million people was invaded by Iraq. With the USA leading, 35 nations banded together and attacked Iraq, and returned Kuwait to its independent nation status.

So fast forward to today and my question is this; how would the USA, indeed the rest of the world, respond if, say Canada (@ 37 mil) or Australia (@ 26 mil) or Italy (@ 59 mil) came under attack from an outside nation??? Would they stand back and literally, do nothing meaningful to help??

Here's where I am going with this. The Ukraine has 44 million people - yet the world has, basically, thrown them to the wolves in terms of helping them fend off an attack by Russia.

Here are some interesting facts about Ukraine that will REALLY piss you off:

At the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine had a 780,000-man military force. (in perspective, that’s more than half of the size of the current US military). Ukraine had the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world - they controlled some 5,000 nuclear weapons including long-range missiles that carried up to 10 thermonuclear warheads, each far stronger than the bomb that leveled Hiroshima. Despite the fact that Ukraine declared itself as independent after the fall of the USSR, the Clinton administration pushed hard for the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Parliament resisted - citing a concern about being vulnerable if attacked. The Clinton administration rejected that and applied pressure threatening international isolation if Ukraine didn’t go along. As a final carrot, in return for relinquishing ALL of its nuclear weapons, the USA, United Kingdom and Russian Federation promised to protect Ukraine - it’s a document called the Budapest Accord (I'll post a link to it later). Shortly thereafter, Ukraine handed over its entire nuclear inventory to Russia (yeah, I know, go figure).

But that wasn’t enough for the USA. In August of 2005, freshman Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) having served a grand total of 7 months as a US Senator, traveled with Richard Lugar (R-IN) to Donesk, Ukraine. The two met in Kiev with Putin's puppet, Ukraine's President Victor Yushchenko, insisting that the "Cooperative Threat Reduction Program" which covered the destruction of nuclear weapons, should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

After that meeting, Obama in his true narcissistic fashion, provided his expert opinion as a community organizer (with 7 months of experience as a US Senator) in the following statement; "Vast stocks of conventional munitions and military supplies have accumulated in Ukraine" ... 'We need to eliminate these stockpiles for the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world." Yeah, I know - read that last line again...

Then he and Lugar went back to DC, sponsored a bill for calling for $48 million in US funds to eliminated Ukraine's stockpile of small arms, weapons and ammunition, which Bush signed into law in late 2006. Ukraine then disposed of 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition. Through the end of 2007, the UN reported that Ukraine disposed of over 700,000 small arms and missles.

In 2008, Putin invaded and absorbed Georgia, a close ally of Ukraine. The world did nothing ...

In 2010, Obama reassured Ukraine that it would stand behind them, referring to the Budapest Accord. He even sent his Vice President, Joe Biden, to Ukraine to comfort them when Putin attacked Crimea. Oh yeah, and he also sent them meal packets and blankets.

In 2014, when Ukrainian voters finally force Putin's puppet, Yushchenko, out of office and voted in the current President, Putin attacked and absorbed Crimea, which was a part of Ukraine. But it was too late for Ukraine - once again, the US, UK, and NATO did, literally, nothing. So much for the promises made in the Budapest Accord.

And Russia?? Putin declared the Budapest Accord as non-binding in 2014 - and again, nobody did a damn thing about that.

And that is how Ukraine, once a nuclear superpower with a huge military machine that could have easily defeated Putin and his Russian military organization, was methodically stripped of its ability to defend itself by outside, "pro democracy" forces who were hell bent on ridding Ukraine of its arms "for the safety of the Ukrainian people ... by keeping them out of conflicts around the world."

Other than the fact that this is why the Ukraine thing bothers the hell out of me, still there is another relatively simple lesson to draw from this and its this:

I am not a gun nut - I own one shotgun I used to hunt with as a kid which hasnt been fired in years - but this is a good example of why you will have to pry that gun out of my cold dead hands before I ever relinquish it to anyone pushing gun control.

God bless the Ukrainians ...
 
Europeans have seized two mega yachts and counting:


Little dingys!

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Europeans have seized two mega yachts and counting:


Little dingys!

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A friend of mine posted this on another site.

Back in 1990, the world went to war, literally, when Kuwait, with a population of 4 million people was invaded by Iraq. With the USA leading, 35 nations banded together and attacked Iraq, and returned Kuwait to its independent nation status.

So fast forward to today and my question is this; how would the USA, indeed the rest of the world, respond if, say Canada (@ 37 mil) or Australia (@ 26 mil) or Italy (@ 59 mil) came under attack from an outside nation??? Would they stand back and literally, do nothing meaningful to help??

Here's where I am going with this. The Ukraine has 44 million people - yet the world has, basically, thrown them to the wolves in terms of helping them fend off an attack by Russia.

Here are some interesting facts about Ukraine that will REALLY piss you off:

At the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine had a 780,000-man military force. (in perspective, that’s more than half of the size of the current US military). Ukraine had the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world - they controlled some 5,000 nuclear weapons including long-range missiles that carried up to 10 thermonuclear warheads, each far stronger than the bomb that leveled Hiroshima. Despite the fact that Ukraine declared itself as independent after the fall of the USSR, the Clinton administration pushed hard for the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Parliament resisted - citing a concern about being vulnerable if attacked. The Clinton administration rejected that and applied pressure threatening international isolation if Ukraine didn’t go along. As a final carrot, in return for relinquishing ALL of its nuclear weapons, the USA, United Kingdom and Russian Federation promised to protect Ukraine - it’s a document called the Budapest Accord (I'll post a link to it later). Shortly thereafter, Ukraine handed over its entire nuclear inventory to Russia (yeah, I know, go figure).

But that wasn’t enough for the USA. In August of 2005, freshman Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) having served a grand total of 7 months as a US Senator, traveled with Richard Lugar (R-IN) to Donesk, Ukraine. The two met in Kiev with Putin's puppet, Ukraine's President Victor Yushchenko, insisting that the "Cooperative Threat Reduction Program" which covered the destruction of nuclear weapons, should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

After that meeting, Obama in his true narcissistic fashion, provided his expert opinion as a community organizer (with 7 months of experience as a US Senator) in the following statement; "Vast stocks of conventional munitions and military supplies have accumulated in Ukraine" ... 'We need to eliminate these stockpiles for the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world." Yeah, I know - read that last line again...

Then he and Lugar went back to DC, sponsored a bill for calling for $48 million in US funds to eliminated Ukraine's stockpile of small arms, weapons and ammunition, which Bush signed into law in late 2006. Ukraine then disposed of 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition. Through the end of 2007, the UN reported that Ukraine disposed of over 700,000 small arms and missles.

In 2008, Putin invaded and absorbed Georgia, a close ally of Ukraine. The world did nothing ...

In 2010, Obama reassured Ukraine that it would stand behind them, referring to the Budapest Accord. He even sent his Vice President, Joe Biden, to Ukraine to comfort them when Putin attacked Crimea. Oh yeah, and he also sent them meal packets and blankets.

In 2014, when Ukrainian voters finally force Putin's puppet, Yushchenko, out of office and voted in the current President, Putin attacked and absorbed Crimea, which was a part of Ukraine. But it was too late for Ukraine - once again, the US, UK, and NATO did, literally, nothing. So much for the promises made in the Budapest Accord.

And Russia?? Putin declared the Budapest Accord as non-binding in 2014 - and again, nobody did a damn thing about that.

And that is how Ukraine, once a nuclear superpower with a huge military machine that could have easily defeated Putin and his Russian military organization, was methodically stripped of its ability to defend itself by outside, "pro democracy" forces who were hell bent on ridding Ukraine of its arms "for the safety of the Ukrainian people ... by keeping them out of conflicts around the world."

Other than the fact that this is why the Ukraine thing bothers the hell out of me, still there is another relatively simple lesson to draw from this and its this:

I am not a gun nut - I own one shotgun I used to hunt with as a kid which hasnt been fired in years - but this is a good example of why you will have to pry that gun out of my cold dead hands before I ever relinquish it to anyone pushing gun control.

God bless the Ukrainians ...
So taking away weapons makes people vulnerable to anyone, or any government who wants to abuse them. Who would have ever thought that? “Don’t worry. We’ll protect you”…..Love Bill. Passing out weapons after the enemy has already filled the streets, is a day late, and a dollar short. A few million armed Ukrainians, would have probably prevented the invasion all together.
 
A friend of mine posted this on another site.

Back in 1990, the world went to war, literally, when Kuwait, with a population of 4 million people was invaded by Iraq. With the USA leading, 35 nations banded together and attacked Iraq, and returned Kuwait to its independent nation status.

So fast forward to today and my question is this; how would the USA, indeed the rest of the world, respond if, say Canada (@ 37 mil) or Australia (@ 26 mil) or Italy (@ 59 mil) came under attack from an outside nation??? Would they stand back and literally, do nothing meaningful to help??

Here's where I am going with this. The Ukraine has 44 million people - yet the world has, basically, thrown them to the wolves in terms of helping them fend off an attack by Russia.

Here are some interesting facts about Ukraine that will REALLY piss you off:

At the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine had a 780,000-man military force. (in perspective, that’s more than half of the size of the current US military). Ukraine had the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world - they controlled some 5,000 nuclear weapons including long-range missiles that carried up to 10 thermonuclear warheads, each far stronger than the bomb that leveled Hiroshima. Despite the fact that Ukraine declared itself as independent after the fall of the USSR, the Clinton administration pushed hard for the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Parliament resisted - citing a concern about being vulnerable if attacked. The Clinton administration rejected that and applied pressure threatening international isolation if Ukraine didn’t go along. As a final carrot, in return for relinquishing ALL of its nuclear weapons, the USA, United Kingdom and Russian Federation promised to protect Ukraine - it’s a document called the Budapest Accord (I'll post a link to it later). Shortly thereafter, Ukraine handed over its entire nuclear inventory to Russia (yeah, I know, go figure).

But that wasn’t enough for the USA. In August of 2005, freshman Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) having served a grand total of 7 months as a US Senator, traveled with Richard Lugar (R-IN) to Donesk, Ukraine. The two met in Kiev with Putin's puppet, Ukraine's President Victor Yushchenko, insisting that the "Cooperative Threat Reduction Program" which covered the destruction of nuclear weapons, should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

After that meeting, Obama in his true narcissistic fashion, provided his expert opinion as a community organizer (with 7 months of experience as a US Senator) in the following statement; "Vast stocks of conventional munitions and military supplies have accumulated in Ukraine" ... 'We need to eliminate these stockpiles for the safety of the Ukrainian people and people around world, by keeping them out of conflicts around the world." Yeah, I know - read that last line again...

Then he and Lugar went back to DC, sponsored a bill for calling for $48 million in US funds to eliminated Ukraine's stockpile of small arms, weapons and ammunition, which Bush signed into law in late 2006. Ukraine then disposed of 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition. Through the end of 2007, the UN reported that Ukraine disposed of over 700,000 small arms and missles.

In 2008, Putin invaded and absorbed Georgia, a close ally of Ukraine. The world did nothing ...

In 2010, Obama reassured Ukraine that it would stand behind them, referring to the Budapest Accord. He even sent his Vice President, Joe Biden, to Ukraine to comfort them when Putin attacked Crimea. Oh yeah, and he also sent them meal packets and blankets.

In 2014, when Ukrainian voters finally force Putin's puppet, Yushchenko, out of office and voted in the current President, Putin attacked and absorbed Crimea, which was a part of Ukraine. But it was too late for Ukraine - once again, the US, UK, and NATO did, literally, nothing. So much for the promises made in the Budapest Accord.

And Russia?? Putin declared the Budapest Accord as non-binding in 2014 - and again, nobody did a damn thing about that.

And that is how Ukraine, once a nuclear superpower with a huge military machine that could have easily defeated Putin and his Russian military organization, was methodically stripped of its ability to defend itself by outside, "pro democracy" forces who were hell bent on ridding Ukraine of its arms "for the safety of the Ukrainian people ... by keeping them out of conflicts around the world."

Other than the fact that this is why the Ukraine thing bothers the hell out of me, still there is another relatively simple lesson to draw from this and its this:

I am not a gun nut - I own one shotgun I used to hunt with as a kid which hasnt been fired in years - but this is a good example of why you will have to pry that gun out of my cold dead hands before I ever relinquish it to anyone pushing gun control.

God bless the Ukrainians ...
This is all accurate but fails to properly draw the reality of the changing "democracy" in the Ukraine. It does admit that Yushchenko was a puppet dictator, but doesn't link that well to US foreign policy towards the Ukraine. The west wanted a disarmed Ukraine as it was effectively a puppet Government of Russia. We didn't want nukes that close to Europe (neither did the Europeans). Pretty much glosses over this entirely. ( its a partisan opinion commentary piece).

That said, it does help shine a light on how changing political situations are very hard to keep up with. How quickly do you arm a new democracy that was until very recently a puppet Russian enclave?
 
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