SeaStar / Teleflex Steering Systems and Cables

[Bruce]

SeaStar / Teleflex manufactures the steering and shift cables for Yamaha boats.

Their OEM parts are available at lower prices than the Yamaha parts.

For the 2007 to 2009 230 range the part numbers are SSC21917 for steering and CCX63318 for the shifter.

If you know part numbers for other models please contribute them to this thread.

Looking through their parts catalog they have components listed for the mechanical steering system used before 2015 and the rack steering system used on later boats. @Julian do you think there would be any value in upgrading older boats to the rack system?

I have emailed and left a message for SeaStar hoping to learn if any newer (better) parts exist for my boat. Currently I believe that the SSC219XX series is the latest unless I upgraded to the rack system.

Here are the relevant sections from their catalog. Click them to enlarge.







Here is a little info I have learned in this process.

1. SeaStar recommends "greasing the telescoping end at the engine often". I believe this means the telescoping end by the jet.

2. The SSc21917 /F1C-U1470-10-00 steering cable has never been upgraded. So you will receive the same product wherever you buy it.

3. I believe that the F2A-U149C-00-00 reverse cable has been upgraded to F2A-U149C-01-00 and that the later cable is SeaStar part number CCX63318. SeaStar tells me that this part number is from their latest and greatest XTreme product line.

4. The 2015+ 240 use "rack steering" from SeaStar with XTreme steering cables. The parts are only available through Yamaha and I believe it would cost around $700 to retrofit. Doing so would increase the number of turns of the wheel required while decreasing the force required.

Here are the part numbers that I am aware of for these cables. I have attached a spreadsheet so you can copy and paste them. I have asked SeaStar about their part number for the throttle cable.



What kind of ongoing maintenance do cables need? Can they be repaired?

We suggest the following periodic maintenance be performed at least twice a season:

1. Check overall operation for proper gear engagement, full and idle throttle, and
   overall feel.
2. Visually inspect control head cable, as well as engine and transmission cable attachment points for
   proper tightness of fasteners, correct operation of all moving parts, worn or broken items, cable
   chafing or misalignment, etc.
3. Do not lubricate core wire (moving wire inside the casing). If the cable operates stiffly, replace it.
4. Keep cable ends dirt and corrosion free.
5. Lubricate pivot points and sliding parts of the cable with a good quality, water-resistant grease.

When to replace a cable or connection hardware:

1. Excessive free play felt at the control even after all cable connections have been verifed as in good
   working order.
2. Visual inspection shows signs of cha ng, breakage, bent, loose or worn parts.

Never attempt to repair a cable. Always replace a malfunctioning cable. A cable cannot be properly repaired in the eld and must always be replaced as an assembly. Attempting to repair a cable can result in control system failure, leading to personal injury and/or property damage.

 

[Julian]

Not having looked at the rack layout specifically, I am going to hazard a guess that it wouldn't be a simply plug and play swap. I think you'd need something to attach the rack too....

 

[Murf'n'surf]

I enjoy how I can steer full left then full right with minimal turn of the wheel. Changing to the newer system would definitely make me relearn how to steer in a docking situation.

 

[Scuba_ref]

I would love to know the part numbers for the 2005 230 series boats if anyone has that!

 

[Bruce]

Not having looked at the rack layout specifically, I am going to hazard a guess that it wouldn't be a simply plug and play swap. I think you'd need something to attach the rack too....

My thinking was that you would replace all the steering gear in the helm with the new rack system and use the newer cables.

I think you would benefit from reduced steering resistance (greater leverage) and the new "extreme duty" cables. I am uncertain if I would want to have to turn the wheel further to turn the boat.

 

[Bruce]

I would love to know the part numbers for the 2005 230 series boats if anyone has that!

The Yamaha part numbers are the same for the 2005 AR230 and my 2007 SX230 so the SeaStar part numbers must be as well.

Here is a little info I have learned in this process.

1. SeaStar recommends "greasing the telescoping end at the engine often". I believe this means the telescoping end by the jet.

1. The SSc21917 /F1C-U1470-10-00 steering cable has never been upgraded. So you will receive the same product wherever you buy it.

2. I believe that the F2A-U149C-00-00 reverse cable has been upgraded to F2A-U149C-01-00 and that the later cable is SeaStar part number CCX63318. SeaStar tells me that this part number is from their latest and greatest XTreme product line.

3. The 2015+ 240 use "rack steering" from SeaStar with XTreme steering cables. The parts are only available through Yamaha and I believe it would cost around $700 to retrofit. Doing so would increase the number of turns of the wheel required while decreasing the force required.

 

[Bruce]

Here is SeaStar (TeleFlex)'s recommendation for cable maintenance. I believe they build every cable in our boats so this applicable to all of them.

What kind of ongoing maintenance do cables need? Can they be repaired?

We suggest the following periodic maintenance be performed at least twice a season:

1. Check overall operation for proper gear engagement, full and idle throttle, and
   overall feel.
2. Visually inspect control head cable, as well as engine and transmission cable attachment points for
   proper tightness of fasteners, correct operation of all moving parts, worn or broken items, cable
   chafing or misalignment, etc.
3. Do not lubricate core wire (moving wire inside the casing). If the cable operates stiffly, replace it.
4. Keep cable ends dirt and corrosion free.
5. Lubricate pivot points and sliding parts of the cable with a good quality, water-resistant grease.
   

When to replace a cable or connection hardware:

1. Excessive free play felt at the control even after all cable connections have been verifed as in good
   working order.
2. Visual inspection shows signs of cha ng, breakage, bent, loose or worn parts.
   

Never attempt to repair a cable. Always replace a malfunctioning cable. A cable cannot be properly repaired in the eld and must always be replaced as an assembly. Attempting to repair a cable can result in control system failure, leading to personal injury and/or property damage.

 

[Bruce]

SeaStar has informed me that the throttle cables are only sold directly to Yamaha so there is no OEM part number for them. I have searched through their product catalog and can not find any cable with the same ends. I believe that the latest ~$65 throttle cables available from Yamaha are SeaStar Xtreme cables as the reverse bucket cables are. The Xtreme cables are advertised to provide maximum performance with no lost motion. My interpretation of the this is that the Xtreme cables could provide more precise throttle control.

Unfortunately the lowest prices on these new throttle cables through Yamaha are around twice the typical price of a similar length Xtreme cable.

I also believe the throttles themselves were built by SeaStar / TeleFlex. I am going to ask if they have any upgraded options for us.

 

[smthng]

Hate to dig this up, but I've seen conflicting info and I don't really want to be the guinea pig who gets to figure it out the expensive way...

Most of the accounts of steering cable replacements and the parts listed in @Bruce 's table are generally for 23's or 24's, and according to this post, port and starboard cables are the same. But, there are pics of others (also 23's) that show different part numbers stamped on the cables for port and starboard. I have a 2008 212X that has no numbers on either cable. I'm planning on replacing both cables. Yamaha's part number is different than any of the ones in the charts or posts I've found... F1T-U1470-10-00. Yamaha still lists the F0R part number for the 23s... so is there a difference?

Gathering up all the cross-references I can find, I'm leaning towards getting a pair of SSC21916 cables... 16 footers. Thoughts?

 

[Bruce]

SeaStar / Teleflex has confirmed that they are not the manufacturer of our throttles.

They have confirmed that the CH7840P is their newest dual throttle control and will work fine in our boats. I have seen it priced between $317 and $400.

You can find a description and dimensions in http://www.seastarsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mcda6-ch7800.pdf

 

[Bruce]

Hate to dig this up, but I've seen conflicting info and I don't really want to be the guinea pig who gets to figure it out the expensive way...

Most of the accounts of steering cable replacements and the parts listed in @Bruce 's table are generally for 23's or 24's, and according to this post, port and starboard cables are the same. But, there are pics of others (also 23's) that show different part numbers stamped on the cables for port and starboard. I have a 2008 212X that has no numbers on either cable. I'm planning on replacing both cables. Yamaha's part number is different than any of the ones in the charts or posts I've found... F1T-U1470-10-00. Yamaha still lists the F0R part number for the 23s... so is there a difference?

Gathering up all the cross-references I can find, I'm leaning towards getting a pair of SSC21916 cables... 16 footers. Thoughts?

SBT shows your cables as 192.25" long which is 16' 0.25" so I agree with the 16' length.

 

[Jfutty]

Hate to dig this up, but I've seen conflicting info and I don't really want to be the guinea pig who gets to figure it out the expensive way...

Most of the accounts of steering cable replacements and the parts listed in @Bruce 's table are generally for 23's or 24's, and according to this post, port and starboard cables are the same. But, there are pics of others (also 23's) that show different part numbers stamped on the cables for port and starboard. I have a 2008 212X that has no numbers on either cable. I'm planning on replacing both cables. Yamaha's part number is different than any of the ones in the charts or posts I've found... F1T-U1470-10-00. Yamaha still lists the F0R part number for the 23s... so is there a difference?

Gathering up all the cross-references I can find, I'm leaning towards getting a pair of SSC21916 cables... 16 footers. Thoughts?

Hi, i am also looking for cables for my ar210 ( 06) , what one was the right fit or yours?

 

[smthng]

Hi, i am also looking for cables for my ar210 ( 06) , what one was the right fit or yours?

The 16's were the perfect fit for my '08 212X, should be the same for your AR. Here are the part numbers and a link:

Teleflex: SSC21916
Marine Part Source: 64917

They are sold individually, you'll need two.

 

[Bruce]

@bronze_10, the cables in the first post of this thread are correct as far as I know.

I used the SSc21917 on both sides. They go through the middle so they need to be the same length.

I would replace the shift cables while you are in there.

 

[bronze_10]

Lol. I already have searched them up ... and this thread is where i got the part number... i just wanted to make sure before i purchased them

 

[Rishi44]

SeaStar / Teleflex manufactures the steering and shift cables for Yamaha boats.

Their OEM parts are available at lower prices than the Yamaha parts.

For the 2007 to 2009 230 range the part numbers are SSC21917 for steering and CCX63318 for the shifter.

If you know part numbers for other models please contribute them to this thread.

Looking through their parts catalog they have components listed for the mechanical steering system used before 2015 and the rack steering system used on later boats. @Julian do you think there would be any value in upgrading older boats to the rack system?

I have emailed and left a message for SeaStar hoping to learn if any newer (better) parts exist for my boat. Currently I believe that the SSC219XX series is the latest unless I upgraded to the rack system.

Here are the relevant sections from their catalog. Click them to enlarge.

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Here is a little info I have learned in this process.

1. SeaStar recommends "greasing the telescoping end at the engine often". I believe this means the telescoping end by the jet.

1. The SSc21917 /F1C-U1470-10-00 steering cable has never been upgraded. So you will receive the same product wherever you buy it.

2. I believe that the F2A-U149C-00-00 reverse cable has been upgraded to F2A-U149C-01-00 and that the later cable is SeaStar part number CCX63318. SeaStar tells me that this part number is from their latest and greatest XTreme product line.

3. The 2015+ 240 use "rack steering" from SeaStar with XTreme steering cables. The parts are only available through Yamaha and I believe it would cost around $700 to retrofit. Doing so would increase the number of turns of the wheel required while decreasing the force required.

Here are the part numbers that I am aware of for these cables. I have attached a spreadsheet so you can copy and paste them. I have asked SeaStar about their part number for the throttle cable.

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What kind of ongoing maintenance do cables need? Can they be repaired?

We suggest the following periodic maintenance be performed at least twice a season:

1. Check overall operation for proper gear engagement, full and idle throttle, and
   overall feel.
2. Visually inspect control head cable, as well as engine and transmission cable attachment points for
   proper tightness of fasteners, correct operation of all moving parts, worn or broken items, cable
   chafing or misalignment, etc.
3. Do not lubricate core wire (moving wire inside the casing). If the cable operates stiffly, replace it.
4. Keep cable ends dirt and corrosion free.
5. Lubricate pivot points and sliding parts of the cable with a good quality, water-resistant grease.

When to replace a cable or connection hardware:

1. Excessive free play felt at the control even after all cable connections have been verifed as in good
   working order.
2. Visual inspection shows signs of cha ng, breakage, bent, loose or worn parts.

Never attempt to repair a cable. Always replace a malfunctioning cable. A cable cannot be properly repaired in the eld and must always be replaced as an assembly. Attempting to repair a cable can result in control system failure, leading to personal injury and/or property damage.

Hi Bruce,
Do you happen to know the part numbers for the 2008 sx 210 steering and reverse cables? I didn't see the numbers for the 2008 sx 210 in the table
Thanks

 

[smthng]

Steering cables are sane as the other 21 foot Yamahas...
Teleflex: SSC21916
Marine Part Source: 64917

Not sure about reverse cables, i didn't replace mine.

 

[Rishi44]

Steering cables are sane as the other 21 foot Yamahas...
Teleflex: SSC21916
Marine Part Source: 64917

Not sure about reverse cables, i didn't replace mine.

Ok thanks

 

[Rishi44]

Steering cables are sane as the other 21 foot Yamahas...
Teleflex: SSC21916
Marine Part Source: 64917

Not sure about reverse cables, i didn't replace mine.

For the steering cables, does one have to be 16ft and the other 17 foot? Or should both be the same size? I have read elsewhere that Port and starboard cables should be 1ft different in size between them.

Thanks

 

[fireslayin]

For the steering cables, does one have to be 16ft and the other 17 foot? Or should both be the same size? I have read elsewhere that Port and starboard cables should be 1ft different in size between them.

Thanks

Did you ever find the answer to this ? Or what the reverse cable part is?